Jesus loves the Rich...hear that you lazy poor!!??

[SemiCharmedQuark]

This gem of a post was found on the IMDB messege board on the Stephen Baldwin page. Ahhh, the things you learn about religion from a neo conservative...

Jesus Christ favors poverty, not multi-million dollar businessman"

This was something you posted earlier moviegeek45. I read it and stared at it in disbelief for an hour. The fact that you believe something so pathetic makes me wonder if you were raised correctly. The fact that you believe that Jesus favors laziness instead of intelligence, wit and character baffles my mind. You honestly, from the bottom of your heart think any reasonable human being would believe that quote? We were created with the intelligence to do anything. To acquire knowledge and help one and other. How can someone living in poverty help someone as much as a wealthy person?

Living in poverty is saying *beep* you" to Jesus because we are not living to our potential. We are lowering ourselves and not using our full capabilities. Its like if you had a son and he was starving and you gave him a room full of delicious food and he just let it rot and starved himself because he was too lazy to get up and get it. Well then, he would be a loser, just like you are for making such a pathetic statement.


(And yes, I believe in Jesus and Heaven and I am still calling you names...a$$:)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

1. Followed up by this post by the same guy...

your statement made absolutely no sense...

I'll talk like you are a third grader: (maybe you are)

J-e-s-u-s f-a-v-o-r-s p-e-o-p-l-e w-h-o d-o s-o-m-e-t-h-i-n-g w-i-t-h t-h-e-i-r l-i-v-e-s. Usually wealthy people have used their intelligence to accomplish something with the gift of life they have been given.

Do you really think a poor person can help someone more than a wealthy person? are you that ignorant? Wealthy, rich, people have more power to help someone than poor people. If I needed $10,000 to feed starving children, I'm not going to ask the guy living in the cardboard box who eats out of my garbage, get it?

When you ask me if I believe in Bush, what exactly do you mean? because, Yes, I believe he exists. I have seen him on television and in person, so my answer is yes, he exists.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

2. And the finale...

YES YOU MORON!!!!!!!!!! Rich people help the poor!!! are you a f ucking idiot???????????? I'll believe the truth IDIOT!! who do you think pays for losers on welfare????? DING DING DING, RICH PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

you're a stupid f uck

[shawn703]

4. I feel sorry for this guy

This obviously comes from a warped interpretation of the Parable of the Talents.

[Left Is Write]

6. He must really hate people like Mother Teresa.

[Taxloss]

10. Ah, the parable of the Widow's Mite is clearly lost on this guy. n/t

[Cocoa]

3. that person is confusing Jesus with Dale Carnegie

or with Ayn Rand.

[Kurovski]

11. Yes, Ayn Rand

who burbled narcissistic about the wonders of taming fire at the end of a cigarette--and then contracted lung cancer.

[Left Is Write]

5. He's apparently never read his Bible or studied the words of Jesus.

And, yeah, all those clerics, nuns, and other persons of the cloth taking a vow of poverty - yep, they're just giving the big ol' finger to Jesus. :eyes:

Someone ought to remind him that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Someone should remind him of the Beatitudes. Blessed are the poor, anyone?

[Kahuna]

7. JC: It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle..

than it is for a rich man to inherit the kingdom of Heaven.

I wonder what that wingnut thinks Jesus meant by that. And I have never seen nothing in the Bible that would lead me to believe Jesus admires, "wit." :eyes:

[Beaverhausen]

8. Does he think Jesus lived like a rich man?

where do these people get this shit?

[Left Is Write]

9. He's been reading The Gospel According To Tommy Hopkins.

[redqueen]

12. Fundies are nucking futcases.

That is all.

[Mike Niendorff]

13. Gotta love those phony "Christians" of the RW.

Jesus said :

"blessed are the poor"
"sell all you have and give the money to the poor"
"it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven"
"Get away from me, you workers of iniquity. For I was hungry, and you fed me not; I was naked and you clothed me not."

To which our beloved Republicans say:

Jesus favors the wealthy and hates the poor
poverty comes from laziness ; wealth comes from intelligence, wit and character
the rich are morally superior to the poor
the poor are morally inferior to the rich
to help the poor is to underwrite a 'morally inferior lifestyle'
to see the suffering of the poor and do nothing, that is the mark of a truly moral person.


Such posters may be many things, but "followers of Jesus" is demonstrably not one of them.


MDN

[patcox2]

14. Protestantism and Capitalism

What you are seeing is one of the fundamental differences between protestantism and catholicism, one of the things about protestantism that allowed for the capitalist revolution and the culture of greed we live in now. (When I say "protestant" I am primarily referring to the Calvinist-Lutheran-presbyterian varieties).

Here is one way to put it: Catholics beleive as follows: "God is so great and forgiving that he loves me, despite the fact that like all of my fellow men and women I am a miserable sinner."

Protestants believe "I am so great, that god loves me."

Its related to the doctrines of justification by faith and predestination, and the doctrine the earthly riches are a sign that god loves you and you are predestined for salvation.

Catholics believe that it is not enough to profess faith, pray, and believe. They believe that you must "do good works," which means charity.

Protestants beleive in justification by faith alone. You do not have to do anything, it is enough to beleive and worship.

These small differences in doctrine produce a big difference in worldview among the adherents. Its no accident that the most liberal states in the US are the most catholic, believe it or not. Catholics are taught that they have an obligation to help the poor, with no question as to whether the people receiving the charity deserve it, and they believe that the government is our collective way to do this. The catholic church supports welfare programs as a matter of policy and teaches that the government is a useful tool for collective action to do good in the world.

The current southern republican "tough love" government is evil and welfare just makes em lazy stuff, is largely an example of the calvinist ethic. It has to do in large part with predestination. Calvinists and some others beleive you either are or are not chosen at birth. Everyone you see either is or is not predestined or saved. If someone is rich and blessed on earth, they must be saved, god must like them. If someone is poor and miserable, they must be damned, they must be bad and god must be punishing them. In that situation, why would you give them help, you would only be thwarting god's plan for them.

Catholics are as imperfect as anyone, and the church is in the last century on most issues, but on this I agree with them. Catholics are taught that you are never, ever fit to judge someone else. That to question whether the recipient of your charity deserves it usurps the judgment only god alone has a right to make. They are much more humble. The premise is "I am a sinner, thank god he is forgiving and will take me anyway." In contrast, the one who beleives in predestination will tend to more self-satisfaction.

[fishwax]

15. I agree with many of your points about Catholicism

which is why it always frustrated me to hear pundits question Kerry's catholicism because of his stance on abortion. Personally, while I consider myself culturally catholic, I have been lapsed for many years now. But whenever anyone questions my (or any other liberals) catholicism due to my stances on gay rights or abortion, I tell them that health care is a catholic issue, welfare is a catholic issue, etc.

Care for the poor, the sick, and others in need of care is not merely a tenant of Christianity, it is the central focus. Anything that claims to be Christian but doesn't originate from that central focus should immediately arouse suspicion, imo.

[WoodrowFan]

17. you may know something about Catholics

but your "information" on Protestants looks like it comes from some 19th Century Catholic anti-Protestant propaganda piece. At BEST it's a twisting of what some reformed Protestants believed 300 years ago. At worst it's total crap.


BTW, I'm Presbyterian and I've NEVER heard anything taught in my church even somewhat resembling what you claim my church believes.

[Richardo]

16. YAY!! Jesus loves me...!!!

Oh. "THE" Rich.

Never mind.

[WoodrowFan]

18. and the Greeks shall inheret the earth! (NT)