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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 01:58 AM
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Poll question: where should I move when I get out of college?
Edited on Tue Jul-15-03 02:00 AM by ButterflyBlood
still too early perhaps, but these are all places I've considered.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:01 AM
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1. Don't go to Frisco
it is too damned expensive to live in San Francisco and go to college.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:02 AM
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2. when I get out of college
the only place up there I would transfer to while still in school is Minneapolis
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:00 PM
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15. northern virginia dc suburbs!
(proud resident of the nuclear ground zero) :-P

but really it's quite nice, lots of tech jobs, only downside is that property is pretty expensive.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 09:38 AM
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39. FRISCO????!!!!!
Them's fightin' words!
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 04:30 PM
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48. "Fr*sco"
Ever heard of Emperor Norton? He wanted to outlaw saying that word, and I agree with that (except for the Amdt. I violation). That's the real F-word.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:07 AM
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3. What do you want to do when you get out of school?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:08 AM
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4. not sure
I don't even have a major yet
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SyracuseDemocrat Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:28 AM
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5. hrm
why ain't syracuse on the list? syracuse is a fun city.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 05:02 AM
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36. What's so great about Syracuse? I used to live in Liverpool.
You didn't say, plus you prefer a non-New Yorker for an avatar. I don't remember Giuliani as a choice, do you?:shrug:
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Phatfish Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:38 AM
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6. what about Florida
Edited on Tue Jul-15-03 02:38 AM by Phatfish
even though the politics kinda suck down here, the weather is f'ing perfect (I dont want to hear you northerners whine about the humidity). Fun in the sun 365 days a year (minus the 4 cold days).

edit: speelling mitsakes
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:50 AM
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7. sorry I'm a Northerner
and could never stand the heat and humidity. it was bad enough when i visited there.
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Phatfish Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 03:38 AM
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9. well coming from you...
I accept it as a valued criticism. Actually it is funny, every time I come back from a plane trip from anywhere in the north, the minute I walk out of the gate in the airport and into that high moisture-content air, it sucks into me like a hoover vacuum. I gain at least 5 pounds in that split second. But I'll sweat it off by the time I get to my car.
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Sirius_on Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:58 PM
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14. Florida is nice from October thru April
May thru September its basically a constant challenge to not sweat to death. In Michigan its generally nice from May thru October if you like moderate weather.

Also....WINTER ROCKS!
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Gringo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 11:50 PM
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26. HE LIES!
I've been in Miami for 3.5 years, and there have been approximately 14 days in those 3 years that were not sweltering hot. In addition to the year-round unrelenting heat, it's flat, ugly (except for the beaches), full of litter, they drive badly and the place is overrun with bugs. Do yourself a favor & stay away from Flori-duh. I can't wait to get out.
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OurMorale Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:54 AM
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8. Take a look at a whole bunch of factors
On the most practical note, look at the local economies of the places you wish to move to. For someone who "doesn't know what they want to do when they grow up," it's probably better to be in a city r/t a small town. But perhaps youcan find something that's a little bit of both.

I'm wondering if college towns might not be a good place to begin. Ann Arbor, Madison, Santa Cruz, Bennington? I think economically New England and Las Vegas are doing well, though I'm not sure LV has a whole lot to recommend it. New England may be a place to start your search. New Jersey's on your list, I see. That has potential too, though the economy here in the Mid-Atlantic does leave a lot to be desired. But hey, at least we're not going through a drought. Of the choices you listed, I'd have to probably vote Boston. In fact, let me do that.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 03:52 AM
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10. This is just my stupid opinion:
Move back to North Dakota. Move to Fargo or Grand Forks. As a native Fargoan, I've had to deal with big-city congestion and traffic in Minneapolis for the past 10 years, and even tho I like Minneapolis, but it gets VERY tiring and stressful living here for a long period of time. That's why I'm moving back to Fargo in a few weeks.

North Dakota is the only state that's declining in population because of people our age going of to college somewhere else, and then settling down some other place. Most of the state's young people are leaving, and in droves. That age group is CRITICAL in the increase of natural population in the state. ND is the ONLY state in the US that's LOSING people. I'm not saying that you shouldn't move somewhere else, that's your choice. But just consider the fact that tens of thousands of young people in ND are just choosing to leave under the circumstances you're in, and that's the reason why today ND can't seem to stop the decline, because the 18-30 age bracket is the most crucial.

At least just consider going back to North Dakota. Fargo's your best bet to find a good career and very affordable housing. ND needs all the people staying there it can get.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:45 PM
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13. I don't care about ND
it's losing people because it's boring and conservative. I will never live in a conservative state ever again. also there's not too many punk shows, which is a big deal to me. that's why i'm definately moving out to a big city. i've been saying that since i was 15.
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cleofus1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 07:40 AM
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11. San Francisco
The bad news is that SF is one of the most expensive places you could possibly live. The good news is that it has the BADASS night scene...world class art community...easy access to other communities...fantastic resteraunts and some of the coolest people in the whole world. The women are sweet and if you're Gay.....well I won't go into that. I also love Berkely, and Oakland has lots of good people too. The city by the bay is a jewel and you would never regret moving there. Of course if you aren't making big bucks it is a difficult place to be.

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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:56 PM
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21. I'm doing an internship out in SF this summer,
and I've only been here a few weeks but I never want to leave. After I graduate I am going to have to move here.
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Interrobang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:39 AM
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12. Move to where the work is.
Put "Willing to relocate" in big letters somewhere on your resume, and when you get a job, move there. Do NOT move somewhere "on spec" and expect to be able to find work. Don't move *anywhere* until you have a job lined up, then a place to live.

That's my advice, based on "been there, done that."
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renegade000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:00 PM
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16. northern virginia dc suburbs!
(proud resident of the nuclear ground zero) :-P

but really it's quite nice, lots of tech jobs, only downside is that property is pretty expensive.
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mkregel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:02 PM
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17. Don't move here to San Francisco
Sure we have the best restaraunts, the most educated populace, the largest blue-state concentration, the most beautiful sunsets, beaches and women (and men) and the best art-house movie theaters and the best Baseball team (Go Giants!) and a great SoMa scene full of bohemians...

The rents too high! So come and spend in our restaraunts but go home :)

Just kidding...if you can grab a good job the Bay Area is always fun
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:50 PM
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18. Boston, the smallest big city in the US of A
I understand the rents are expensive, but the traffic is not nearly as bad as you've probably heard, the restaurants are great and every place you'd want to go is within walking or subway distance.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:35 PM
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24. The traffic DOES suck but Boston is a great 20-something city
There are lots of great restaurants, pubs and live music clubs in Boston. Because it's a big college town, lots of college kids stay after graduation.

The rents are unbelievably expensive (think Manhattan or San Francisco) but if you live in one of the outer neighborhoods or suburbs you may find cheaper living.
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classics Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:52 PM
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19. Canada
Find a nice quiet place with a view of a mountain. Do only what you need to survive and enjoy life. Its short ya know. ;)
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iluvchicago86 Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:55 PM
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20. HEm HEm...
Take a look at my handle, thats where you should head.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:45 AM
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30. It's the largest city I've been too
my uncle lives there. I found it very gross. Sorry.
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number9 Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 09:58 PM
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22. depends on so many variables
I have moved probably 30 times since that glorious moment, and still don't know the answer. I'm happy where I am for now because I can do my work and enjoy my life. You may be limited by lifestyle or job opportunities. good luck.
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elcondor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 10:30 PM
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23. Boston!
That's where I plan to move when I graduate college. (Like you, though, it's still a ways off! :-) )
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 11:44 PM
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25. Scratch Baltimore.
It's extremely stratified by social class, and quite provincial. I had to suffer through it in grad school. Definitely go DC if you're looking in that area. It's got a good punk scene, a liberal mentality so long as you don't get too far out into the exurbs, much more to do, and the job market's a whole lot better. You can also walk safely around the place at night, unlike Baltimore.

What's best for you probably depends on what type of people you like and what you like to do on a Saturday afternoon.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:44 AM
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29. I've been to DC. didn't like it much.
people were trying to sell me counterfeit Oakleys on every street corner. I assumed Baltimore was better but I suppose not then...
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inthecorneroverhere Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:33 AM
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27. Chi-town, Milwaukee, Madison and SEATTLE!!!!!
I'd try Chicago, Milwaukee, or Madison...and Seattle! All of these places are a lot more reasonable as far as living costs than SF or Boston. I'd definitely check out the job markets first.

I'd do some searches to see if there was a good punk scene in these places, but I think there might be. I'm almost certain there's a lot going on in Seattle!

I think that places that are really hot, like Atlanta and anywhere Florida, probably kinda s*ck as far as having a good punk scene. You know, bathing suits and bikinis everywhere. I don't really think that real punks wanna get away from winter, whether winter means snow or just means a whole bunch of rain. LOL. :silly: After all, punk started in the land of eternal cloud and rain, England!

I would kinda scratch most 'Southern' places off the list as I don't think they have the kind of culture that would 'work.' Just my guess.

But, hey, what do I know? I'm a little old for this stuff now.

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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:44 AM
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28. Seattle currently has the biggest punk scene on the east coast
Edited on Wed Jul-16-03 12:54 AM by ButterflyBlood
Florida does have one too, although mostly in the north, except for Miami. Atlanta's known for having a few amazing bands and lots of REALLY HORRIBLE ones. It's probably the top city for people into stoner metal though.

and you're right, the South does suck, except for Atlanta as stated above, Virginia Beach, Arlington and Houston.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:44 AM
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32. East coast?
CRAP did someone switch coast while I was napping. Don't worry Batman I'll take care of this one.

Ok everyone pull...one...two...three...

Check out this local alternative mag for the local music scene here in Seattle:

http://www.thestranger.com

Dave (AmyStrange.com)

DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:49 AM
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33. the tablet...
is another good local alt mag for music:

http://www.tabletnewspaper.com/home.html
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:22 PM
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44. blah
and it's too late to edit now
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 01:41 AM
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31. Canada. (Bring Money). n/t
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leftist_rebel1569 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 03:04 AM
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34. Seriously consider Minneapolis
Great liberal city...really has an urban, youthful feel to it. Has great facilities (libraries, museums, etc.) It really is a fun place.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 04:10 PM
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47. I love Minneapolis
Lived there 1994-1999, and am considering a move back!!!
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 04:55 AM
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35. I have spent a lot of time in Boston and loved it
It has the advantages of a big city, but has neighborhoods, like a small town. I think this would be your best bet.:-)
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boilerbabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 05:13 AM
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37. San Diegon/t
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 09:26 AM
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38. You missed...

France.

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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 09:50 AM
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40. Try this link
http://www.findyourspot.com/

Take the quiz - it asks about interests, politics, etc, then brings up a list of cities that fit you...

BTW - forget about Florida - the heat and humidity suck (unless that's your thing), the politics suck, it's flat and ugly (except in the northern portion of the state where the politics REALLY suck), traffic sucks (though not as bad as DC, Boston)...I've lived here for over 20 years, and am just waiting to get out.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:23 PM
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45. Yep, I enjoyed my vaction there but
there's that old saying about being a nice place to visit...
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 09:52 AM
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41. ANN ARBOR, MICHIGAN. If it has to be USA, that is.
Otherwise Toronto is nice but pricey, London Ontario and Ottawa are interesting.

Ann Arbor has food, theater, art, LIBERALISM TO THE MAX (home of the original Marijuana Parking Ticket, voted over 90% for McGovern in 1972 and is still about the same). Home of the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor Blues and Jazz Festival, less than an hour to the Michigan Renaissance Festival, less than an hour to the Detroit Symphony (in the top 5 on Earth), Cedar Point is less than 2 hours away, Chicago less that 3 1/2 hours away.

I am always shocked Ann Arbor never makes one of those "Top 10 Places to Live" lists.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 09:57 AM
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42. I love Boston.
That would be my vote. :)
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 10:01 AM
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43. Seattle!
Well, maybe not if you're a technology specialist waiting for employment. ;)

However, if you can find a job before moving here, Seattle is a wonderful place to live. It's beautiful and fun and there are cheap/safe places to live, if you look.

The suburbs are also nice and it's just a few hours to Canada.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 03:11 PM
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46. Are you crazy!? Stay in college!!
Pick up a few PhDs. Live off student loans. Then, when you are maxed out, move to Rio and default on them!

Umm, I'm not really the best person to take advice from on responsible things...
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