Anyone here haved a morbid fascination with serial killers?

[Zuni]

Which ones? What about serial killers fascinates you?
I am one of you. I just finished reading the updated version of the 'Hunt for the Green River Killer' with a new chapter about Gary Ridgeway, the man who was caught and plead guilty to 48 of the 49 Green River crimes. Interestingly, based on his own words he might have killed as many as 71 women starting in the early 1970s and ending in 1998.

[JohnKleeb]

1. yes

For some reason the cannibals like dahmer, fish, kemper, etc interest me.

[Zuni]

2. Albert Fish---I find him to be the most scary of all

I do not know why, but Albert Fish---killing raping and eating young children and then writing nasty letters to the parents shocks me the most

[JohnKleeb]

3. Ive read his letters to the budd family

:puke: I nearly craped my pants and threw up. Don't forget, he liked sticking needles in himself and literally eating shit too.

[Zuni]

4. Have you ever seen his X-Rays?

He had literally hundreds of knitting needles embedded in his pelvis.

[JohnKleeb]

5. Can't say I have

but he was such a freak, something out of a nightmare. Poor little Grace Budd.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

6. Yes, but it's less to do with the morbid reasons than

because I find it interesting how screwed up these people are. Can someone be held responsible for their actions when they are clearly insane? What defines insanity? I personally don't think any sane person can do what Fish did.

This is my favorite site:

www.crimelibrary.com

[JohnKleeb]

7. crime library is where Ive learned most of what I know

Michael Newton's Encylopedia of Serial Killers was interesting too.

[Zuni]

8. The Crime Library is great---not just for serial killers

but for Mafia, depression era outlaws like Dillinger and other crimes

One of my favorite websites

On sanity---Fish was f-ed up in the head, but he knew the difference between right and wrong. He was a pervert with morbid paraphilias, but that does not make him legally insane.

[DenverDem]

9. Just busholini jr.

I guess he's more of a mass murderer.

Not morbidly fascinated, more obsessed with stopping him.

[eternalburn]

10. Macabre

http://www.murdermetal.com/

[jdots]

11. okay i admit it...i have about 50 books on serial killers

i got into it when my daughter was a run away and wanted to learn about sick creeps...just finished Sniper about the 2 sub humans who shot all the people near D.C..
The Night Stalker is a real swell guy and women actually flocked to his trial to flirt with him. What about that Russian guy ?
about a decade ago.I can't stand gory movies but i read this crap.

[JohnKleeb]

13. what russian guy?

chitako? dzyem???? the moscow ripper?

[Zuni]

16. The Rostov Ripper---from same town as my grandmother

He was from Rostov in Southern Russia. Andrei Chikatillo. Read the Book 'The Killer Department' or see the HBO movie 'Citizen X' which is an adaptation of the book---they are about Chikatillo and the at least 51 child murders he committed.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

14. Andrei Chikatilo

I think that's who you're referring to.

[JohnKleeb]

15. he was ukrainian I believe but I think thats who hes talking about

[Zuni]

17. He lived in Russia ---near Ukraine, in Rostov on Don

[JohnKleeb]

19. didn't he recall cannibalizing his brother during the famine

in the 30's?

[Zuni]

23. No, I think what you are reffering too is widespread cannabalism during

that time period.
Perhaps someone in his family was eaten.

He might be Ukrainian, but Rostov suffered terrible famine during the Civil War, in the Lenin years and under Stalin. My grandmother often ate tree bark and grass seeds and dogs when she was a girl.

[JohnKleeb]

29. Yeah thats right

"He was born in 1936 into a small Ukrainian village and his head was misshapen from water on the brain. He had a sister seven years younger. His father was a POW in WWII and then was sent to a prison camp in Russia, so his mother raised him mostly on her own."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/chikatilo/animal_13.html?sect=1
hmm though. Really sad about what happened, as you know I hate Stalin a lot.

[Zuni]

34. It is hard not to hate Stalin a lot

My grandmother lost several family members during the purges (they were of Cossack descent---Lenin himself wanted to exterminate all the cossacks)

[JohnKleeb]

36. Lenin I don't like either

The purges were just awful, a tragedy to say the least.

[Zuni]

41. Lenin was just as much a butcher as Stalin---he just was crippled soon

after the war was over---But any reasearch into his history shows him to be a true totalitarian, and one with a complete disregard for human rights. He supported the Cheka, and extermination campaigns against the peasants who were less than loyal.

[JohnKleeb]

44. Yeah of cousre

Yep he supported Feliks Dzerminsky's Cheka, wrong spelling I know. I really feel for the Russian people honestly, first they have the czars rule them for ages, then communist tyrants, and now people like Putin.

[Zuni]

20. I read Chief Moose's book and a book on the Night Stalker

the famous one, by Phillip something---one of the best serial killer books ever

A lot of serial killers have admirers, btw. Even the sickest ones like Ramirez.

[JohnKleeb]

22. I dont see how Ramirez got so many groupies

Bundy I'll admit was an all right looking guy, though i think he was a creepy looking guy too bt Ramirez, good god.

[Zuni]

26. he also had major hygiene issues and really bad teeth

[YellowRubberDuckie]

94. Ramirez MARRIED his...

and in spite of the fact that he was CAUGHT IN THE ACT, she believes he was framed.
Duckie

[Zuni]

107. He was not caught in the act

A fence that he had sold victim's property to was arrested, and the Police found a number of things belonging to Night Stalker victims. Ramirez was coming back from Texas when he was identified and his picture was on the front page of all the LA newspapers.
He arrived in LA and was recognized in a store. He tried to steal a car in East LA, but a number of men chased him down and beat him.
That is how he was caught.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

118. You're right...

For some reason I was thinking he wa trying to break into someone's house.
Duckie

[pamela]

12. Yep

Zuni, did you follow the Sifrit case? I think Benjamin may have been a serial killer.

[Zuni]

18. No, but now I am interested

I will Google search that name

[pamela]

126. Benjamin and Erika Sifrit...

were the couple who killed and dismembered the tourists in Ocean City. There are several unsolved murders in the Pa community where they lived. Erika has made statements that indicated this might not have been the first time Benjamin had killed. Court TV and American Justice both did stories on the case. I attended part of both of their trials and can't decide which was the sickest of the two.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

21. Did you see the program on the Black Dahlia?

It was a court tv awhile back. Scared the hell out of me.

[Zuni]

24. she was cut in half! And forced to eat feces.

I read a very crppy book someone wrote trying to blame their father for the killing.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

96. He was on 48 hours last night....

...and a lot of people believe his father did it.
Duckie

[yardwork]

116. I read that book, too

Like you, I didn't think that the author made the case against his dad, but he sure painted a scary picture of Hollywood corruption in the 1930s and 40s.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. I love true crime

Ted Bundy is my personal favorite - most fascinating serial killer. And he was prez of the Young Repukelicans in Seattle. :)

[Zuni]

27. Yeah, Bundy was a Republican, But Gacy was a

loyal Chicago Democrat who once took a picture with Rosyln Carter at a Democratic fundraiser.

[JohnKleeb]

30. maybe you could have Joseph Paul Franklin run as a spoiler

on the American Independence Party ala Wallace in '68.
you ever hear of him? white surpracist nutbag, he actually killed a guy a few towns over from here.

[Zuni]

32. He shot Vernon Jordan I think

you know the black laywer that was good friends with Bill Clinton? I think Franklin shot him in the early 1980s

[JohnKleeb]

35. yes, he did

Didn't he also paralyze Larry Flynt?

[Zuni]

45. I think he is a suspect

but I am not sure it has been proven

[JohnKleeb]

46. Oh I thought they knew it was him

[Zuni]

52. BTW---I do not thin he would qualify as a serial killer persay

a mass murderer is more likely
Serial killers are sex criminals. His motivation seems to be hatred, pure and simple.

[JohnKleeb]

53. I agree with that but Newton's book considers him one

not all serial criminals are sex criminals though, I consider serial poisoners, serial killer and their motivation is often greed.

[Zuni]

55. I would say a greed motivated person is more of a mass murderer

but the definition of serial killer is one who kills at least three people and has active and passive phases.

[JohnKleeb]

58. yes but mass murders tend to kill their victims in like quick periods

Charles Starkweather for instance, I would call a mass murderer but a poisoner, black widow type is more of a serial killer. You have great points though.

[Zuni]

62. Spree Killers

That is a good point. I think you are confusing spree killing with mass murderers. A spree killer is a type of mass murderer.

[JohnKleeb]

69. This is making me wish I had taken criminology

I should have never taken spanish II last year.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

98. Not all Serial Killers are Sex Criminals.

Dude, you can't pigeon hole them like that. You're way off. Mass murders kill a bunch of people at the same time. SErial killers kill a bunch of people at different intervals of time.
Duckie

[Zuni]

101. That is the technical definition

But from what I have read, a true serial killer is a person who is sexually excited by the act of killing. Many are impotent unless they have killed and some, like Chikatillo, have orgasms while killing.
This is why serial killers who kill men, like Gacy or Dahmer are homosexuals and ones who kill women, like Bundy or the Green River Killer are hetero. Ones who kill children are usually pedophiles. But this is a rule of thumb, not a definite. There are some serial murderers who kill both men and women.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

112. Aileen Wuornos did not kill because of sexual thrill...

she killed out of necessity, or what was necessity in her mind. You're pigeon holing, and most profilers will tell you it's not a smart thing to do.
Duckie

[Zuni]

120. I have trouble calling her a true serial killer---even though she may

technically be one (according to the technical definition). In my opinion, a serial killer is someone with an overwhelming urge to kill to satisfy their sexual needs.

Aileen Wuornos was a mjultiple murderer, but she did not have an overwhelming desire to kill for killings sake.
She killed men who had abused her, and she killed men for money.

[mitchum]

124. You are absolutely right about Wuornos not being a serial killer...

she certainly had a great deal of rage at men, but she basically killed them so that she could steal their belongings. She was a commom thief whose MO included murder
You are also correct about the particular sexual pathology not being present in Wuormos

[ikojo]

81. Franklin also killed someone as he was leaving

the synagogue I attend. This guy was attending a bar mitzvah and for that he died.

http://www.skcentral.com/franklin.html


On October 8, (1977) Gerald Gordon was killed by sniper fire as he left a bar mitzvah in the St. Louis suburb of Richmond Heights.

[Scrooge]

28. YES

I couldnt sleep last night and found myself watching msnbc "Dark Heart, Iron Hand" about Paul Bernardo, and Karla whatsername. I dont know how to post pix, but there is the link.

Amazingly enough, Karla is due to be released, but wants to stay in prison because their are so many people who will probably kill her the minute she walks. She drugged her little sister, and videotaped herself and her boyfriend raping her and her sister died on her own vomit in the ordeal. They both got off on raping and torturing their victims. They were also both very attractive and normal looking, which may be why they got away with it as long as they did.

[Zuni]

31. Homolka---She was not as guilty

but she definetly was no saint. She allowed herself to be used by her serial killer boyfriend.

[auntAgonist]

39. Karla Homolka in my estimation was as guilty as her ex husband

Paul Bernardo. She was no innocent bystander. She helped him to rape her sister, she drugged her sister and watched her die. I could go on and on. She had ample opportunity to let Leslie Mahaffey and Kristen French go but she was a willing accomplice in keeping them tortured prisoners.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serials/bernardo/bernmain.htm

NEITHER one deserves to EVER get out of prison. EVER

[Zuni]

43. I agree---but the real villian was Bernardo---who also tortured Homolka

She was afraid of him. But she did hand over her little sister and aided and abett

No, she does not deserve to be let out. There are a number of families with empty places at their tables in part because of her.

[Scrooge]

42. Karla

Granted Homolka wouldnt have instigated the stuff, but she participated in and allowed the victims to be killed. Also, she had since paired up with another sadistic sex criminal in jail and pix were sold to some magazine of the two of them looking very happy and enjoying prison. I did searches last night and found all the stuff. She has definitly aged well, but she is vacant of any conscience at all. What a shame.

[Zuni]

47. No argument here---She is guilty, but she is not the monster here

She was a pawn, a willing one who does not deserve to be let out.

[auntAgonist]

65. they're both monsters.

they terrorized an entire community. left voids in lives of families. Paul Bernardo was up to no good even before the 'schoolgirl' murders. It was an horrific time in Ontario (St. Catherines / Welland Ontario) history.

[mitchum]

66. She was every bit as guilty as Bernardo...

her "I'm just a woman and naturally easily led" defense was an affront to all women. Wendy Kaminer takes her (and her defenders) to task in "When She Was Bad"

[McKenzie]

33. Heard of Fred West?

the serial sex killer sicko from Gloucester, England? I lived in the next street to him in 1986. I'm pretty sure I met him in a professional context in 1988. He was a builder and I am a construction professional. The thought that I might have met him makes me puke.

As for having a morbid fascination with these creeps...no way. Prefer to put the sick bastards out of my mind.

[Zuni]

37. Did he work in a team with his wife?

I am pretty sure that I know of him, but not the specifics. The name rings a bell, and I think he had his wife working with him or something.

BTW-Welcome to DU. Always Good to see our British friends.

[JohnKleeb]

40. Roseanne I believe her name was

[Zuni]

48. Rosemary---you jogged my memory

[McKenzie]

50. yup, that's the theory

the scary thing is that the kids lived in the house for years while the killings were hapening. Can't figure out why they didn't suss what was happening. That makes me feel REALLY creepy.

Good to be here. Damned fine forum.

regards

[JohnKleeb]

38. Yep I have

killed his own daughter with his wife because they thought she was a lesbian right?

[barb162]

49. yes, but mostly from the early childhood angle, which is how they

got screwed up. I watched the father of Jeff Dahmer on some show and he seemed "normal" but I knew he damned well couldn't be. The parents are screwing up the kids so you know the parents are sick as hell too.

[xerox]

51. nope

can't says I do!

[JimmyJazz]

54. Not really, but I do have a story to tell about Steven Pennell

He was a serial killer in Delaware several years ago - he has been executed.

Delaware is a small state - one of Steven Pennell's victims was my best friend in elementary school (we had parted ways after the 6th grade). Pennell went to high school with one of my best friends. I am friends with Pennell's attorney, Gene Maurer (a major hottie, btw) and I later worked with the lead investigating officer in the case.

Again, small state!

[Zuni]

56. I have an aunt who lives in Delaware/ is he the van guy?

And I am in Annapolis---about an hour from DE

Is Pennell the torturer guy with the van rigged as a torture chamber?

[JimmyJazz]

71. Yes - that was him. It was fascinating working with Bob McDonald

(his name is public information) because he would tell us stories of how they conducted the investigation and how the hooked a tracking device to Pennell's van - that was some crazy shit. They finally caught him when a female officer posing as a prostitute stole some fibers from the van when he pulled up to her.

In fact, if I recall correctly, it was one of the first cases to use DNA evidence.

Gene Maurer was also one of Amy Grossberg's attorneys. Oh, and Tom Capano's, too.

[JohnKleeb]

73. I know of Tom Capano

Really interesting story.

[JimmyJazz]

77. A good friend of mine worked at his law firm - I'm telling

you - there are no secrets in Delaware!

That case was unusual because he was convicted when no body was ever discovered.

Also, the judge in that case, William Swain Lee (Republican) just lost a bid for governor. I thought he might win because of his name recognition in this case.

[yardwork]

119. Speaking of Delaware, aren't there a couple of duPont murders?

[JimmyJazz]

122. I think you are thinking of the duPonter who murdered the

Olympic wrestler? I can't recall the specifics of that case, though.

[JohnKleeb]

57. thats creepy

Ive been to delaware quite a few times you know.

[Zuni]

60. I heard there is an unsolved murder in Delaware

You wouldn't know anything about that would you?

[JohnKleeb]

68. can't say that I do

[JimmyJazz]

74. No, but I haven't really read the newspaper since the election.

[JimmyJazz]

72. you'd better look me up the next time you're around!

I'd love to meet the Kleebster in person!

[JohnKleeb]

76. dontcha live in Pa?

I always go to Dewey Beach, Delaware which is more near Maryland and I don't drive, but are you coming to the counter-ingural? I am gonna be there.

[JimmyJazz]

79. DEWEY BEACH - I go there all the time!

Yes, I am going to the coronation.

And, yes I live in PA, but just over the border. I grew up in Delaware and all my family is still there.

[JohnKleeb]

80. awesome hope to see you there

Dewey is great, isn't it. My cousin has a place on Dodd Street. I love, love going there, unfortunely though, my cousin has made it his HQ for the business he does there, so its hard to go anymore, really freaky thing is that my cousin, this is my dad's sister's oldest kid btw, hes actually older than my mom, and his two girls are both older than I am.

[frylock]

59. yes. i've always had a fascination with criminal psychology..

ever since I read a book about Jack the Ripper while I was in high school. Just recently watched Ed Gein. Interesting tale, to be sure.

[Zuni]

61. So do I. I read all the books by John Douglas and the other FBI profilers

They are f-in incredible. I am most interested in the pyschology as well.

[mitchum]

63. I can reel off their kills like they were freaking baseball stats...

they one I find the most fascinating was Houston's Dean Corll. How was he able to find such willing accomplices for his pathology? "Hey Elmer and David, you guys need to bring over some more of your buddies for me to torture and kill!"

[JohnKleeb]

70. The demise of Corll is very interesting

[mitchum]

89. It certainly is!

It's pretty apparent that Henley only killed Corll because he had found himself strapped onto the torture board.
Surprisingly, Henley is the best of the infamous jailhouse artists. His paintings are quite good.

[JohnKleeb]

99. Ive seen some of them, damn good

[shesemsmom]

64. When my Doctor caught me reading double jeopardy

His asked way I didn't read some thing more upbeat... I told him I was studying the the criminal mind.It's a tough job but somebody has to do it lol:-)

[bettyellen]

67. I loved the John Wayne Gacy movie w/ Brian Dennnehy.... he really

tore up that role something fierce!!
There's a really creepy book called the last victim about this college kid who is so obsessed w/ serial killers he starts corresponding with them. But get this, he writes in such a way as to appear to be the killer's favorite type of victim. Leading them on in a way. Eeeeek! The kid is almost as creepy as the killers... a little tooo facinated IMHO.
He actually corresponded w/ Dahmer and got to visit Gacy. Gacy tried to get the kid to blow him and was quite threatening. That chapter really freaked me out.
My brother has too many of these books because he's a cop. I end up reading this crap when I visit.

[Zuni]

84. I read that book! The Last Victim was chilling as hell

The kid went to visit Gacy and Gacy basically treated him like one of the victims.
A very disturbing book.

Where Gacy tried to get the kid and his brother to have sex---really disturbing.

[JohnKleeb]

86. thats very disturbing

god I am gonna have nightmares tonight.

[Zuni]

87. Kleeb---check out that book

it is called the Last Victim, about a kid who made contact with Gacy and became a pen pal. Then he started talking to him on the phone and Gacy invited him to visit him in Jail.
You have to read it. It is one of the freakiest books I have ever read.

[bettyellen]

90. i blocked out that part about him trying to get him to do

his brrother--- oh man, super disturbing!!
Did you get the idea that that kid was a bit screwed up himself?
I sure did....
The gacy chapter is the freakiest- the jail visit - oh god that freaked me out!

[Zuni]

109. The kid was weird, but I can understand his fascination

I would never go to the prison, nor would I give my home number to a serial killer, even one in Jail.
Furthermore, I would not ignore my social life to correspond with serial killers.

[JohnKleeb]

97. I'll consider it

[Zuni]

113. You really should. I couldn't put it down.

A truly fascinating read, although it is not for the easily disturbed.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

105. I own that book.

Seriously disturbing.
Duckie

[SmokingJacket]

75. Yeah, it's the Pure Evil aspect of them.

It's so far from my own life -- I'm just really fascinated by what makes them tick.

Also, I love the puzzle aspect of true crime: how they're caught, or not.

[ikojo]

78. Yes, I have a fascination with them and have had

since tenth grade. My tenth grade English teacher had us read the book, Blood Letters and Bad Men, which is a collection of short articles about serial killers and other notorious murderers. Can you imagine high school kids reading stuff like that NOW? Some parents don't want their high school kids to know what is going on in Iraq.

[mitchum]

82. J Robert Nash's "Blood Letters and Bad Men" was the "gateway...

book" for many people who discovered that they enjoyed the genre (count me as one) :)
I have owned and read thousands of them. I now have a little part-time business dealing rare and out-of-print true crime volumes to people around the world. The interesting thing is that 98% of my customers are women. Go figure.

[Zuni]

85. Ever read "In Cold Blood" by Truman Capote

that is a crime classic

[mitchum]

88. In Cold Blood is a literary classic...

it stands alone. The rest are just genre (although a genre I enjoy) :)

[Zuni]

102. No argument here

One of the best books I have ever read.

[Left Is Write]

83. Not serial killers specifically, but notorious killers and crimes.

I've been known to spend a lot of time on Court TV's crime library website.

I've always been fascinated by the murder of the Black Dahlia.

Barbara Graham's story is pretty compelling also.

I do collect true crime reference books. Another story that has always fascinated me is the story of Ed Gein, particularly since, in my mid-20s, I lived in the area where he lived his very strange life and committed his gruesome deeds.

I think it's the workings of the criminal minds that interest me so much. Why are they the way they are? What makes them tick? How did they go wrong? When? Why?

Questions I'll never be able to answer, I'm sure.

[mitchum]

91. The sick and ironic thing about Gein is that he slipped over from ghoul...

to murdererer only after his dim-witted helper went away to an institution. Apparently, lifting bodies out of graves is too much work for one man.

[Zuni]

104. Helper? I have never heard of that

He only killed 2 or 3 women (not a very prolific serial killer)but is most notorious for eating, having sex with, decorating with and wearing dead bodies
His perversions were so ghoulish that they left him a place in the annals of criminal history alongside the far more prolific and violent killers that followed him.

[mitchum]

110. Can't recall his helper's name at the moment, but he helped Gein...

rob approximately a half dozen graves of the bodies, before he was placed in an old age home. Once he was gone, Gein found it too difficult to dig, pry the coffin top, and lift the bodies out of the graves by himself. Apparently, Gein found murder to be a task more suited to one person.

[JohnKleeb]

111. Gus was the name

[mitchum]

114. You're right, John!

Thanks :)

[JohnKleeb]

117. no problem

[yardwork]

121. Gein was one of the models for the Silence of the Lambs killer

- especially the aspect of wearing women's skin as clothes.

[Zuni]

123. as well as 'Pyscho' and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre

Pyscho with the mother fixation, and the Texas Chainsaw with wearing human skins, grave robbing etc.

[Left Is Write]

115. Yes - and people often associate him with more murders

than he is believed to have committed. He was only convicted of two murders, but he robbed many, many a grave.

Some believe his brother's accidental death was not an accident, but he was never charged with anything regarding that death.

[Baja Margie]

92. You guys must have thick skins

I am too chicken to read those books, I get too scared. Can you imagine all the serial killers that went undetected before Criminologists knew about SK's? The most creepy thing is that you never know, they appear normal & charming. Gives me the creeps.

And, speaking of serial killers, does anyone out there think that some of them might be "possessed"???????

[YellowRubberDuckie]

93. Yes...and my list is long...

I took a class called the Criminal Mind, in which I learned nothing about the criminal mind, ironically, just serial killers. I did a report about Dean Corll. He's probably one of the lesser known.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/corll/index_1.html
Rather interesting. Not one of the more terrifying, like John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy.
Duckie

[mitchum]

100. Corll is the one who I find the most interesting because of both...

the cooperation of Henley and Brookes and the whole white trash teenage wasteland in which they operated

[Zuni]

106. The fact that he castrated victims

makes him one of the more ghoulish ones in my book

[Thtwudbeme]

95. What about the one that hasn't been caught in Kansas? BTK?

Bind, Torture, Kill?

Anyone know anything about him?

[Zuni]

103. Hasn't he been sending letters to papers lately?

I read about him just recently. Apparently he has been active lately in Wichita.

[LeftyMom]

108. I'm not really fascinated by them

but I know quite a bit about the Dorthea Puente mass murder case just because I had met Dorthea a few times and my family knew some of her victims.

[signmike]

125. I read "The Juggler' - that got me started

It's supposed to be 'Jugular', but lots of people say Juggler. About a kid in New York who was raised by an aunt who didn't want him and locked him in a closet all day. Long story short he killed several little kids, girls, I think, and in an interview after he was caught he said nobody had ever told him he was "a good boy".
Nobody ever told me that, either, so it grabbed my interest.
Richard Speck, who killed 8 student nurses one night, had a pet chicken, which his father killed and served for dinner one night - the author of the book I read on him asked "How could he have NOT turned out as he did?" I had a pet chicken and a duck, which my folks killed and served us for dinner one night and the next day when I couldn't find them, I went all over the neighborhood looking for them, blaming every known troublemaker in the area. Dumb ass me, it took years for me to figure that one out. Maybe I'm intrigued with these guys because I didn't turn out like they did. (So I say)
I worked for a guy who I'm pretty sure was killing prostitutes on trips out of town. He also took a fishing pole with him on his trips with no line or bait, the same as Arthur Shawcross used to lure little boys that he killed. And he kept a cigar box full of single edged razor blades in his truck. Very weird.
A woman came into my sign shop right after Angelo Buono was arrested as one of the Hillside Stranglers. She had just had her car upholstered by him the week before, in Glendale (close by).
I HAVE to read up on these things. One of the most intriguing to me is Unruh, who went on his Revenge Of The Nerds binge one day and wasted something like 14 people in 45 minutes. I believe there are about 35 of these guys loose upon the countryside in the U.S. at any given time. I also find it intriguing that they get away with it for so long. Bundy worked WITH Ann Rule whilst he was killing and they were trying to catch him.