DU Marksmen - I have a question....

[Heyo]

This dude told me something today at work...

Now, I have no reason to doubt this guys word. We talk all the time out on breaks and stuff and he's cool, and seems like a nice, stand up guy. But people do ebelish their own accomplishemnts sometimes.

But what he told me, I've been thinking about on and off today.. and it seems almost impossible... (but then again I don't know much about bieng a marksman)

He was in the Air Force, and practiced marksmanship there.

His claim is that, after using a few shots to set up his sights, he put 39 out of 40 rounds in a hole the size of a nickel at 100 yards, with only the open sights and no scope.

I can't even SEE a nickel at 100 yards... that's what... 3/4 of an inch across if that?

Seems like, with a scope, yeah maybe.. or with no scope into maybe in an area the size of a grapfruit or something...(4 inches around)

But putting all but one of 40 rounds pretty much in the same hole without a scope, at that distance, just seems far fetched to me.

Again, I'm not calling the dude a liar, per se. It just seems almost impossible to me.

Then again it could be total possible, and I'm a tool for posting this.. I just need a second opinion.

Comments?

:shrug

Heyo

[RummyTheDummy]

1. This sounds like one of those

The fish was THIS big kind of stories. I call bullshit on the guy.

[Heyo]

3. See...

... it does seem far fetched, doesn't it...

So I'm not off base here, huh?

:party:

Heyo

[Kali]

2. post this in the gun forum

Those guys will know

[Columbia]

4. Possible, but unlikely

Especially for an Air Force pogue.

[Spider Jerusalem]

5. Um...not without a benchrest and probably a scope.

And a mil-spec M16 would ideally shoot about 2" groups at 100 yards, or greater, depending on deflection. Even an expert marksman isn't expected to shoot THAT well.

[short bus president]

6. from a fixed rest, sure.

From any human-held firing position? I'd doubt it. Maybe he meant a nickel-BAG, which if you unroll it and stretch it out, is about average sammich-bag size...

[Tom Kitten]

7. His claim is fucking ridiculous!

First off you are right, a nickle at 100 yards is impossible to see without a scope.

At any rate, a space the size of a nickle would not have 39 discernable bullet holes, it would be one large hole larger than a nickle in size, and in the case that you actually blow a hole in the center of your target you would get a perfect score, not 39 out of 40! There is no way of knowing where the 40th bullet went...

This guy might seem like he's stand up but he is bullshitting you!

I know this from my marksmanship training in the Air Force a while ago and I don't think it has changed all that much...

[Heyo]

8. I KNEW it...

.... I KNEW nobody could do that....not without a scope, and not that tight. No way.

Incidentally, he claims that the one shot hit about 4 inches high and right...

Yeah, he does *seem* like a standup guy.. I mean he just started but I see him out on smoke breaks and we chat. He's got a prety high position right off the bat. (Maybe his resume is just like his marksmanship stories :o)

I guess he is one of those people who feels the need to make exaggerated claims to puff up his chest a bit...

Insecurity? Who knows. Anyway, I am not gonna bring it up.

:dunce:

Heyo

[DS1]

15. Not really

Like I said below, it's not about being able to see a coin. You don't even need a coin to get a tight group anyway.

100, I'll say again, is cheeseshit. Marines don't even start before 250 yards and go back to 500 yards. I've shot a coffeecan size group at 500 yards before, 10 rounds.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

9. I think that is a harmless emblelshment to impress

this can be done, but you have to have a very tight sling, be perfectly still and not have to reload...

40shots?

Yeah....


is he still competing? did he compete in the AF? if he can do that, he would still be at it, trust me.

[BlueCollar]

10. Not a chance

no way given the setup described...

no crosswind etc...

[Renew Deal]

11. You just opened the gates of the gungeon.

Bad move ;)

[Robeson]

12. Fish tale

[realisticphish]

13. bulllllshit

with a fixed bench perhaps, but even then, it would take a LOT of adjusting, and a shitload of luck


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[DS1]

14. A hundred yards with an M16 is a fucking joke.

I've put ten rounds in a target the size of a quarter while standing.

It's not about seeing the quarter - you can't - it's about taping the quarter dead center of a much larger black cirle, 12 inch or so diamater.

Really. :-)

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

16. 40? in a nickel? I am starting to smell Dookus' digested

shoes, I think.

40 .223 hits would make a hole larger than a nickel.

[DS1]

17. I maintain that it's possible.

I've seen some extremely good shots when I competed in Marine Pac Div matches. I also maintain that 100 yards with an M16 might as well be shooting across the room.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

18. I am agreeing with you. The nickel part is the part I trouble with

Quarter, yeah
Fist, fur sure on full auto
Head... yeah, while I am running backwards, if neccessary.

but nickel?

[madminute]

19. Ummmm......

A nickel is a big hole, but it sounds kinda jive to me.
I"ve seen three rounds basically all through the same .223 size hole from 100 meters, but never as many as that.

But then, I've seen 3 .300 WinMag rounds through the same at 1200 meters before, but these were not fired by pogue AF newbies in basic training, and certainly not with open sights.

I'd call bullshit on your bud.


Peace.