Anyone know about evolution and "intelligent design"?

[Onlooker]

The fundies who argue the nonsensical theory of intelligent design (which basically says that any pattern that science cannot yet explain proves that there's a god), claim that the theory of evolution is dead, and scientists aren't even addressing it's flaws. Is this true? I'd love to find some good links to prove otherwise.

Thanks.

[SoCalDem]

1. They are NUTS.. ignore them

:)

[LosinIt]

2. pick up any issue of Discover magazine

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. First stop on the net for evolution is 'Talk.Origins'

http://www.talkorigins.org/

I think it's been going since the early days of Usenet.

Far from dead, the Theory of Evolution is alive and well - and, like any good scientific knowledge, or living thing, able to evolve a little.

[Onlooker]

8. Exellent website. Thanx! /eom

[killbotfactory]

4. Fundies claim that because they are willfully ignorant

It's what happens when you claim something man made is infallible and the work of God.

[lefador]

5. These are the same people who...

... claimed the earth was flat: WRONG
... claimed the earth was the center of the universe: WRONG
... claimed there was a heaven in the sky if you pass the clouds: WRONG
... claimed there is a hell if you dig deep enough: WRONG
... claimed women come from a man's rib: WRONG
... claimed men come from mud (I much rather come from a monkey than dung, thankyouverymuch): WRONG
... claimed that sickness was a "devil" inside you: WRONG
... claimed if you floated on water you were made of wood, ergo a witch: WRONG
... claimed that Galileo was wrong: WRONG
... claimed that Copernicus was wrong: WRONG
... claimed that medicine was witchcraft: WRONG
... claimed that the nervous center is located at the heart: WRONG
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.......
.........

on and on and on. With this track record, excuse me if I just do not take seriously what the church has to say about anything... especially design. They can call it "intelligent design" all they want, fucking idiots don't understand that the evolution was proved like 2 centuries ago: TRAVEL TO THE FUCKING GALAPAGOS and you'll get it jackasses.

They have not been right about anything yet they have the gall to put fact and science in doubt just because they say so and it is written in a fucking novel book with lousy continuity.

Would they hire a weatherman with their same track record? I think not, hypocrites...

[eleonora]

6. yeah, and the world is 6,000 yr old too

[GoBlue]

7. Well as far as evolution goes

one might query a bioligist/geneticist about their theories on intelligent design. It's really is a very elegant design that God created. Self correcting too.

[Atlas Mugged]

9. Pick up the latest National Geographic

The cover article is 'Was Darwin Wrong'?

Flip to the article itself and in huge letters is the answer "NO".

Excellent issue. Which really surprised me since I used to subscribe for decades and quit because they kept doing articles about places like Kansas City and the Texas Panhandle. I always loved National Geographic because it took me away from stuff that was down the road from me.

[ze_dscherman]

10. Just ask them

why, with that "intelligent design" and an omnipotent, omniscient creator, there are so many flaws, like ecosystems breaking apart, extinct species, sickness, old age, death?

Why has the most intelligent animal a shorter lifespan than a parrot, or a turtle? Why are babies born with horrible diseases and crippeled? Why does that intelligent design not protect people from getting cancers, hernias and caries?

Just found a website dealing with the "intelligent design" issue: http://www.talkdesign.org/

[bowens43]

16. And intelligent design begs the question

"Who designed the designer?"



"It's turtles all the way down......."

[Donkeyboy75]

11. Why would they?

It's not possible to change the fundies' minds. It is impossible to defeat the faith of a fundie with logic, as they don't understand the language. Scientists have better things to do.

[ze_dscherman]

13. Not true

I was raised as a creationist fundie. Learning the concepts of science was a major step towards getting out of the cult and learning to think for myself.

It's not possible to reason with most of them, but with some, especially the young. And every voice of reason counts.

[Donkeyboy75]

14. I was talking about those who promote the theory

of intelligent design. Not those who practice it.

Anyway, the scientific method is still taught in schools. Even if raised by fundies, those who use their brains will eventually reject the intelligent design paradigm as unscientific...and simply false.

[DELUSIONAL]

12. These people (creationists) are liars

They claim that the dinosaurs were in the ark or some such nonsense.

I took Biology in college from one of these rigid, closed mind creationists. According to him evolution does not exist -- when asked about two species of birds where there is direct evidence of evolution -- his answer -- "god created them" There has been no change (evolution) since god created every creature. I have one of their textbooks somewhere so that I could debunk their mythology. And this is all "intelligent design" is -- mythology. Frankly I prefer the Hawaiians creation myths over the Christian mythology. And this is what we are dealing with -- mythology wrapped in pseudo-scientific terms.

Now the creationists have come up with a new weasel word -- "intelligent design" which fools some school districts (one of the red states) into forcing science teaching into including creationism as part of the science curriculum.

There is a website which does an excellent job of debunking "intelligent design" and reviews the battle that is still ongoing over what students will be taught.

Hello dark ages.

[bowens43]

15. No it's not true.

But it is a symptom of the most dangerous threat facing our nation, our Constitution and our freedom. The rising tide of fundamentalism is growing like a cancer. There is virtually no difference between the Christian fundamentalists in the US and the Islamic fundamentalists elsewhere. As we have seen by the stolen elections in 2000 and 2004 these fanatics will stop at nothing to push their agendas.

Read 'The Hand Maids Tale' by Margaret Atwood for a glimpse into our possible future.