Are ALL males B/T 25-35 brain dead?

[serryjw]

These are kids of my generation who's mantra was " Hell no we won't go!"...how the hell did we produce so many "I'm a Republican" who have no problem with Bushit or the Iraq war?.....Please tell me something?

[DS1]

1. hmmm, if I'm braindead now

the world is right on schedule for takeover in 4 years :evilgrin: :eyes:

[ScreamingMeemie]

2. I'm married to one who has his head on straight...

at least in THAT department. :hi:

[jpgray]

3. It's 'Hell yes, because I don't have to go'

A position elites have taken for years because they knew the latter to be true, whereas people who are dull will take it up as well, though they are considerably less safe.

[Dems Will Win]

31. Right, show them this:

PRINT THE PDF: http://somnamblst.tripod.com/draftalert.pdf
HANG THIS FLYER EVERYWHERE

This is a SPECIAL MILITARY DRAFT ALERT. In May, the Seattle Post Intelligencer published an article about a document they received through the Freedom of Information Act. It was revealed that the SSS is currently “designing procedures” for the implementation of a “Skills Draft” and had held a top-level meeting on it with Deputy Undersecretaries at the Defense Department. This draft would change the essential mission of the Selective Service and require “virtually every young American”, male and female ages 18-34, to register for the Skills Draft and list all the occupations they are proficient in to fill labor shortages throughout nearly the entire government. If enacted, the Skills Draft proposed in this FOI-recovered document would change America as we know it.

The Pentagon is suffering from immediate labor shortages. Recently, the inactive Ready Reserve had to be called up for the first time since the Gulf War to fill 5,600 job shortages in the Armed Forces. DoD said in the recent IRR callup “20% of the call-ups are truck drivers, 12% are supply specialists who can use a computer to track supplies, 10% are Humvee mechanics, 7% are administrative specialists and 6% are combat engineers” (USA Today, August 8, 2004).

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft. They would likely support the new legislation needed to create the Skills Draft. While Bush and the Republicans are of course keeping the return of the draft and the new skills draft as quiet as possible, many anti-draft organizations have recently begun warning of a “Coming New Draft”.

The Issue Paper document was revealed through the Freedom of Information Act by Seattle Post Intelligencer reporter Eric Rosenberg, who wrote a partial explanation of it that was printed May 1, 2004.

(http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html)

Rosenberg’s article was edited, however, and some key points about this document were omitted in the published article. What follows is a full explanation of the document and links to the document itself.

The Secret Issue Paper can be viewed at: http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

This document is real, having been acknowledged by the DoD and the SSS when they said no action is being taken on it at the present time. However, given the current manpower shortages for certain skills and nurses, if Bush gets back in, expect all the options outlined in the Issue Paper to be implemented by the end of December of this year, and at the least a non-combat skills and medical draft to start next year, if not the male combat draft, ages18-25.

Despite Rumsfeld saying the draft is not needed, this is the same neo-con administration that has repeatedly lied to and misled the American people. Draft-age youth and their families are left looking at a “long, hard slog” in Iraq (Rumsfeld secret memo), the neo-con plans to invade still more nations, and then having to take Rumsfeld and Cheney’s word not to worry about the draft, that they “are not considering it at this time.”

Although official word is that this secret list of options is not being implemented—the Issue Paper options have NOT been rejected and the 6-page proposal is rather sitting in the Pentagon, waiting. In addition, the SSS itself has said that it is “designing procedures” (Seattle PI, May 1, 2004) to implement the skills draft, meaning designing the compliance cards and the data fields needed to keep track of “virtually every young American” and their skills. Acting Director of the SSS Brodsky has also said the Skills Draft is the “top priority” of the Selective Service for 2004.

[oasis]

32. If Bush wins there will be a draft in 2005. More wars, more occupations.

What will it take for America to wake up?

[LoZoccolo]

4. 25-35 didn't have that mantra.

These are like, Reagan youth, who grew up in the ethos of the eighties.

[Dems Will Win]

29. Right! It's the people under 25, the Millennials who are really antiwar

Although there are plenty of smart progressive GenXers!

[HEyHEY]

46. Nope my brain's still there! - But I'm bleeding from that hole I made

owww...sudden urge to run for GOP

[cheshire]

5. Not everyone of our generation were anti-war it just seems that way.

My children are proud Dems. or I'd have to kick their asses.

[serryjw]

15. Almost EVERYONE....I never thought this would happen....

I flip between disbelief, frustration and down right anger. How can anyone be to self involved that they give no thought to what is happening?
We grew up when this country was very Democratic...Thugs were there just to tolerate so we could say we were a 2 party country. I didn't KNOW a thug until I was in my mid 40's!
I didn't KNOW the word divorce until one of my friends at 11 parents were getting a divorse...I had to ask my mother what it meant. ALL of my friends parents were together until death. My father lasted 11 months after my mother died.

OMG I do miss the good 'ol days

[cheshire]

24. I miss it too, I try to pass on that feeling to my kids and grandkid. I

honestly think drugs made us apathetic for to long. We should have thrown Reagan out. I still think we are in excellent shape this year. The thugs saw our weakness and swooped in like vultures but we are eagles and they are going down. Never fear as it only weakens you. Have faith and pray or have a ritual or whatever works for you.

[dweller]

6. it's not their brains speaking

is all i can figure.

well, not the higher one anyway.
dp

[MichiganVote]

7. Let me tell you something

My husband works for one of the major pop (soda) companies. He works hard and it is hard work. The other day as he is delivering to yet another pop machine at a local university, a 20 something kid stands in his way, talking on his cell phone. He is demanding to talk to the manager of the college food place to complain that he had to wait 20 minutes for his croissant sandwich.

My husband said to me, shaking his head, "I'm listening to this kid and thinking, you know there are young men in Iraq the same age as you kid fighting just to survive."

We have insisted in this society that our youth are special, that they are priviledged and that they deserve to be.

Are we surprised when they act like it?

[serryjw]

16. I guess I'm sheltered......

I have no kids...I am the person my parents would have expected me to be..........I can't imagine raising a thug. Your husband is a saint..I would have kicked this kids arse!

[lastknowngood]

8. I can't remember which female comedian said it but

theres not enough blood in the world to fill up both heads and make both work properly.

[jonnyblitz]

9. they still say "hell no we won't go" despite supporting Bush. n/t

[JohnKleeb]

17. and thats why you saw in the MTV poll

49% support the war in Iraq yet 85% would oppose a draft.

[Davis_X_Machina]

10. Scared white guys...

...who have figured out that the days when they could climb in the treehouse and pull up the ladder are gone forever.

Brown guys everywhere, taking their jobs.
White chicks everywhere, not taking them seriously.

Makes you wanna go hurt someone.

[Nimrod]

11. No, just most of us

But then I think people in general are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals in the first place.

[jab105]

12. My husband isn't...he's almost 29...and we are Canvassing for Kerry...

tomorrow:)

[Zero Division]

13. 25 yo male here

Too many of my male peers are caught up in the "Republican = macho" ethos, however I think it's also true of many 35 to 55 males.

[serryjw]

18. "Republican = macho"

I agree...It's the Governor Arnould mentality....they don't read, they raised themselves, sound bite mentality. I don't care that you disagree with me BUT have enough brains to defend your position..........they simple can't

[JohnKleeb]

21. I'd agree with that

Too bad it's a bunch of bs because we all know from their service records, republicans are anything but macho, but are the girly men after all.

[Zero Division]

35. I wish I could find that post by Plaid Adder about her brother...

She described how her brother fits that stereotype perfectly. I thought it was an excellent post that brought this issue up, and so it sticks in my mind. But, alas, I cannot find it using advanced search. I thought it was in GDCampaign2004.

Some of them, like her brother, are actually not stupid, but the macho political ethos seems to pervade their entire belief system. They eschew nuance, for the most part (they don't when trying to rationalize the least solid of their arguments), and over-apply direct agressive action in many, if not most, situations. Indirect effects and subtlety are often lost in their evaluation of general problems. That's my point of view on my experiences with this ethos, anyway.

[nightperson]

42. Is this the cached version from Google?

?

:shrug:

[Zero Division]

51. Yes, that's it. Thank you.

:thumbsup:

[jonnyblitz]

20. oh hell yeah...the age goes way past 35 years for that

idiocy.

[girl gone mad]

40. And again we can draw a comparison..

between the modern day Republican party and the Nazi party. Nazis were macho men, and were very opposed to women's rights. Women were supposed to stay home and raise aryan babies, not have careers. Meanwhile, they were happy to use the talented (and evil) Leni Reifenstahl to promote their agenda.

Sound familiar? Think of the Ann Coulters and Dr. Lauras of today, scolding women for working outside of the home or waiting to get married. Nevermind that these women don't practice what they preach.

[rndmprsn]

14. i don't think i am...

but most of my generation are pretty self-obsessed, indifferent and numb to the world around them, self-destructive and self-indulgent.

most are prisoners...who just like their cage.

[Bozos for Bush]

19. Invasion of the Body Snatchers perhaps?

Good evening everyone - this is my first post on DU.  I
discovered this website last week and have been actively
lurking ever since.  I especially liked DU's exposure of the
creep in West Virginia who gets in the local papers every four
years at rallies.

I am a 16-year veteran of the USAF (MSgt) - served from 1976
until 1992, when I decided to take the Air Force up on its
offer for an early out with benfits, along with tens of
thousands of troops, because the Cold War was over and active
duty forces needed to be cut.

I hate Bush.  I hate him more than any person on earth, and I
seldom hate anyone.  But I hate him.  An intelligent person
would think, with (long list coming) Enron, Halliburton, no
WMDs, failure to pay attention to terrorism briefings prior to
9-11, tax cuts for the rich that are supposed to trickle down
to the rest of us, no concern for the Kyoto treaty or the
environment, first administration with a net job loss since
Hoover, crime up, assault weapons back on the street, 100,000
cops program terminated, nearly a half-trillion yearly
deficit, deserting the Guard during wartime, etc., etc - an
intelligent person would think that a huge majority of the
American people would say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH...and yet, a decent
and honorable man (Kerry) has been torpedoed by Swift Boat
liars and a corporation-dominated press that has rigged the
game.  Under the noses of millions of stupid (yes stupid)
unsuspecting Americans, the fascist right wing is quickly
taking over this country.  We are in deep doo doo.

So the only thing I can come up with as far as brain dead
males (and some females too) is that Invasion of the Body
Snatchers is actually happening - I'm not completely serious
of course, but what else can explain it all?

[crispini]

25. Welcome to DU, "Bozos"

:)

[Bozos for Bush]

37. Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks Crispini for the welcome.  I'm sure I'll be spending a
lot of time here over the next few weeks, bashing Bush for the
evil fascist that he is.

[WillyT]

27. Welcome To DU BFB !!!

:toast::bounce::toast:

Glad to have you here, and thank you for your service!

:hi:

[Bozos for Bush]

38. Thanks, WillyT

Thanks to you as well, WillyT, for the kind welcome.  

[drdtroit]

48. Welcome BFB! n/t

[PROGRESSIVE1]

22. Your Generation's children were exposed to Ronald Reaganomics....

....you know, Ronald "Beastiality Experiment" Raygun.

It's sad to see that they were brainwashed. I did the math and see it as this: Those born between 1962 and 1972 should NOT be allowed to vote. They are the ding dongs that vote Rethug by a 25% margin.

[Eric J in MN]

26. Ideally, people who grew up with Reaganomics would

remember the soaring homeless population and be against Republican economic policies.

[crickets]

49. Excuse me

There were plenty of us who hated Reagan and voted against him. Our objections were not heard and our votes were not enough. Sound familiar? Careful with that generalization, Eugene.

[freestyle]

55. I was born in 1971

I remember the 1980's very well and they left me despising Reagan and Bush. The economy was horrible, homelessness was rampant, AIDS burst upon the scene, cities were abandoned and we had this fool who could talk about Star Wars for days, run this country into the ground, claim that homeless people like it that way and not mention AIDS until years into the epidemic. Those who were brainwashed were blind to the facts. Also,until bush 2 came along, the only person my grandmother had anything really bad to say about was Reagan, and I trust granny. Enough of the generalizing. There are idiots throughut the population.

[zulchzulu]

23. That's silly

Actually the whole "I love Bush" BS from that age group reminds me of the Simpleton Faux-Yuppies that liked Raygun in the '80s.

25-35 is still DRAFT AGE, RIGHT?

Sign up, you ESPN loooozers.

[WilliamPitt]

28. The Obey Generation

Came truly of age during the time of Clinton, when the world made sense and you could get a job - a good job - if you wanted one. For eight years - the formative employment years for this demographic - if you played by the rules you could buy a car and a house.

Amazing how stupid you can get after eight years of peace and prosperity.

[Guaranteed]

30. They're Gen Xer's who don't vote anyway.

Don't worry about it. They don't believe in a damned thing, and have little to no morale. They're nothing.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. 35 year old male "Gen Xer" here who, frankly, resents that remark.

I cut my activist teeth in college protesting Reagan's Central American bullshit. Have voted in every election since I could- Dukakis/Clinton/Clinton/Gore. But not just presidential elections, all elections- and I am meticulously well informed. And everyone I know in my age bracket, i.e. mid 30s, is vociferously liberal and pissed as hell at what is going on right now.

While age and gender based generalizations are generally for shit and usually only serve to piss people off (witness this post) I would argue that, from my experience, it's overwhelmingly the kids who were born in the 1980s who are the truly apathetic ones-- who were raised on a diet of materialistic, corporate-friendly values.... And if you ask me, the folks who are most screwing this country up, by far, are these limp-d*cked white guys in their mid-40s to mid-50s, you know, the dudes who couldn't stand Bill Clinton for what surely were sexual jealousy issues, the disillusioned baby boomer sellouts, the red-faced Bill O'Reilly types and the middle aged asshats blaring Michael Savage out of their pickup truck cabs..

But, again, we shouldn't generalize, now, should we? ;)

[Hello_Kitty]

50. I agree w/you.

Middle aged Boomer guys with their over-blown attitudes of entitlement are the problem. No, I don't mean all of you, just those to whom that applies.

[curse10]

33. Well... no one in that age group that I know is Repug

:shrug: I live with 2 male dems in that age group and know about 2 dozen more

[RafterMan]

34. The are a reaction against their parents

Just like you were.

[baltodemvet]

36. I know I was

Well, in political terms I was always right (in a leftish sort of way) but otherwise clueless. I got a clue for my 35th birthday. Hoping for another one at age 70. :hippie:

[Hippo_Tron]

39. They don't have to fight the war...

It's easy to say I support the war until you find yourself in Iraq.

[indie_voter]

41. Sadlly, so many are

Read this, from a wine lovers board:

http://www.vinocellar.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=RandomThoughts&Number=187311&Forum=,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=186942&Search=true&where=&Name=&daterange=1&newerval=1&newertype=d&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post187311

Ass.

[JSJ]

43. profilers say it's the age range of serial killers nt

[BamaGirl]

44. Hey now, easy on the GenXers

We aren't all evil incarnate lol. I only know two ppl in my age range who might not vote for Kerry, and one of them is definitely not voting for Bush. I learned all about the evil of Reagonomics from my parents lol :D. I should note however that I'm a "third generation liberal" so maybe I am actually an aberation? Naw. Also, interesting to note, that all our friends are either military, married to someone in the military, or vets. None of us went to college the traditional route, and none of us really come from traditional middle class America. Maybe that makes a difference? And even odder, of my good friends (just considering the 4 women for this purpose), only one works, and she is the only non-liberal amoung us. Hmm, guess there is no method to this madness after all lol. All joking aside though, I see lots of support for the pugs here and very little for us. We live in a pretty young side of town. It's all about religion in the South, for them I mean. No rhyme and certainly no reason. They have no personal stake in this war, so of course they can gleefully support it. That'll change pretty quick if they believe there will be a draft with no deferments.

~~BamaGirl

[sandnsea]

47. Reaganism

Much, much more effective than we ever imagined. That's what happened to these kids. They've eaten the ketchup. That's what we should say instead of drank the kool-aid. They don't know Reagan wanted to make ketchup a vegetable, but they believe everything that was said about free market and the superiority of the USA.

(Except my kid, he's standing by with the torches and pitch forks)

[George W. Dunce]

52. This is my age group

And yes they are mostly brain dead.Some are smart people to, they just don't get it thought, troubling.

[LSdemocrat]

53. Actually the younger generations supported Vietnam the most

http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/Mistakes/Vietnam_support.html
(actual poll numbers on site)

"Many, perhaps most, people believe that young people were more likely to oppose the Vietnam war than older people. This is not surprising if you judge from the visible protestors, many of whom were young. But this is misleading, because the most visible and active people in any movements are likely to be young, since they have the time and freedom to engage in protests. The most active supporters of Goldwater in 1964 were often young, as were the peace protestors just a few years later.

There were many polls on public opinion during the war, and they show a consistent pattern by age. Young people were more likely to support the war at the beginning, when it was popular, and more likely to support it at the end, when it was not. The polling organizations used many different questions to tap public opinion during the war, often changing them as events changed. No matter what questions were used, the same pattern of public opinion was found, with the young people more likely to choose the hawkish alternative(s) than older people."

[freestyle]

54. 32 and my brain is very much alive

I have worked for Democratic candidates in every election going back to 1984, was president of my College Democrats chapter, and have become even more committed since then. Most of my male friends are quite mentally alive also. My activist parents taught me well, and they are still fighting the good fight also. Do not despair, there are plenty of us who still care and still contribute plenty. Stereotyping does no good.

[Merlin]

56. Welcome to the world of Stupid White Guys

I'm one. And, yes, I was a horses ass during much of my early adulthood.

It's got to do with testosterone levels. I'm sure of it. Seriously!

[newportdadde]

57. Some of my generation are spoiled.

Almost 28 year old white guy here. Most of the people I work/know my age are voting Republican. It blows my mind to watch IT people vote Republican at my work place. Watch them be anti-union etc. I grew up in a poor farming background and just feel blessed to have AC in my house so I have a unique perspective here :lol

Basically they are spoiled. Their working career so far has been one of the Clinton boom, this is the first time they have tasted hard times and even now everyone is just borrowing out of their ass to be keep it floating. Give it a few more years till those 100% finaced 300k+ home with the ARM get redone at higher interest, maybe then some attitudes will change.

I dropped the ball in 2000 I didn't vote :(. But both my wife and I will be voting for Kerry this year.

[nickinSTL]

58. I'm 31

And I oppose this administration, it's war, and virtually everything it stands for.

As for the who's mantra was " Hell no we won't go!" for guys 25-35...go where? Kuwait? We're too young for Vietnam. The First Gulf War was the only significant military action we were old enough for...until now.

[VelmaD]

59. Nope. Not all. Just the ones I date.

:crazy:

My guy friends in this age group are a great bunch of active Democratic guys. :)

[Surf Cowboy]

60. Huh?

[Screaming Lord Byron]

61. Yes.

Yes we are.

[JVS]

62. No

But seeing so many of your generation become the current crop of warmongering flagwaving idiots, both sides of the aisle I might add, that pass as our national ruling class didn't help either.