Has Anyone Else Here Heard of John Titor?

[mermaid]

This is pretty awesome stuff!
This guy apparently claimed to be a time traveler from the year 2036. He appeared on-line from November 2000 thru about March 2001.

during that time, he made a lot of predictions...predictions which now appear, in many cases, to be coming true...and it's scary as shit.

I'm not sure what to believe on all this just yet, I've only just started looking into John Titor.

Check out johntitor.com

Here are some of the scarier, and more freaky predictions you find on the site...

"This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election."

"The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over."


"The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII."

"As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after 2004. However, it appears they may be revived in 2040."

"After the war, the United States had split into five separate regions based on the various factors and military objectives they each had."

Q: What is the extent of Presidential power in 2036?

A: The office of President is far more diluted and decentralized than it is here. The powers of the national government are more defined and reside more at the county and state level.

Q: What is the new government like in 2036 compared to the current one?

A: I think the new government is good. However, since the concept of nationally subsidized welfare is gone, most people here may not appreciate it.

Q: Where is the new US capitol?

A: The new US capitol is in Omaha Nebraska.

Q: How do the 5 presidents take power?

A: The voting for individual candidates is on a rotating schedule

The reason the job of President was split into an office of 5 has 4 main reasons. With 5 (presidents), foreign policy is more consistent, power shifting between parties has less of an impact on the overall government, individual strengths between presidents add to the strength of the overall office, and one president is elected for each major area in the United States.

Q: I think Russia is still very likely to attack the United States with nuclear weapons. It's hard to imagine being here to see it.

A: Russia's enemy in the United States is not you, the average person. Russia's enemy is the United States government.

Q: Does the current relationship between Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the coming war?

A: Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency.
This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.

Bear in mind that all of this stuff was posted in November-December of 2000!!

There's a lot more there, too. He appears to have predicted 9/11, making an oblique reference to "a skyscraper missing in New York" and also to have predicted the breakup of the Space Shuttle over Texas 2 years ago.

what to make of John Titor? The real deal?? A time traveler from the future? Someone very good at "reading the tea leaves?" Maybe an astral projector who in fact exists in our own time, but who recieved, thru out-of-body experiences, his "visions" of the future?

There's some way creepy stuff there. I only recently learned of John Titor...and what I have looked at so far is REAL CREEPY....
Anyone else heard of this John Titor? If so, what do YOU make of all this?

Anyone here just hearing of John Titor thru this posting??

I'm gobsmacked, personally...I don't know what to believe, but it's pretty damned freaky stuff!!

[the Kelly Gang]

1. is that strange ? I met a man who could prove there was life on Mars...

he said I will prove it..I've been there and they gave me an object as proof..he went away and came back with an apple and said..'see !'..but it's an apple I said, and he said.."but's its a Martian apple..can you prove that it's not ?"

[liberalmuse]

2. Yes...

Interesting! I used to post on a board he showed up on, then disappeared from a few years ago. I even asked him a few questions, but I forget what they were. He was so interesting that I've re-read his stuff over the years, because it really fits with what is going on. Whoever he was, he was good at this game and his predictions have held up because they were so general, yet eerily on the mark. Granted, a very disciplined person could pull off a hoax like this, but human nature being what it is, you'd think the guy would have slipped up or made a 'return trip' or something.

[SmileyBoy]

3. Here's what I think of John Titor:

[XNASA]

4. Omaha?!?

Life won't be worth living anyway. :crazy:

What else does this guy have going for him aside from the fact that he's rehashing George Orwell?? And not very well, I might add.

:shrug:

[Bat Boy]

12. A transparent attempt on the part of Omaha to become interesting.

My prediction? Omaha will be turned into a parking lot for the rest of the country.

If you can't find a place to park in Des Moines, park in Omaha and walk.

[Bjornsdotter]

5. Ahh....

....somebody is a Coast-to-Coast listener! How was the show?

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[mermaid]

8. Indeed...

I currently deliver an early morning paper route, and have come to love George Noree...how ever did you know that I got turned on to John Titor from Coast-to-Coast?
the show was VERY good today...VERY interesting.

As I say, I dunno WHAT to believe here...but I do find it difficult to believe that any human being could have kept up the deception without making SOME fuck-up along the way!

Again, this is NOT proof, even in my eyes, that the guy is what he said he was...a time-traveler! He could, as I pointed out, just been someone good at "reading the tea leaves." Or maybe someone who was able to astrally project, and have OOBE's, and was receiving "visions" of the future, and reporting on them.

Then, too...it could be argued that nothing he came up with is not stuff that could not have been dreamt up by any competent writier of science fiction.

but, if anything other than the time-traveler thing was ture...why have we not heard from Titor since he "left" in March 2001? was he "disappeared" by our government or someone else? If so...why?

To me, John titor opens up as many, if not more, questions than answers...but, nonetheless, an interesting study, and I was wondering if anyone else here had heard of John titor, and what they thought...since I only just this morning had even HEARD of John Titor, and was intrigued enough to actually look into this a bit...so, my initial study and knowledge is very limited at best...I was hoping to begin dialogue with someone who had studied this longer...and get a feel for what THEY thought!

It's a fascinating subject, one I intend on looking into much deeper over the next couple of weeks, and I invite other Titor researchers...both belivers and debunkers...as well as just plain curious folk like me...to weigh in on the subject.

[Bjornsdotter]

10. Well I'll listen to the show...

....later tonight when I have time.

How about I get back in touch with you on this?

I, too, find it fascinating and I'm not discounting anything as a possibilty at this point.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[SheilaT]

6. He's been mentioned here

in the past.

One way to tell it's a hoax, albeit a very clever one, is his lack of specificity. Notice he never said anything about a terrible attack on NYC in 2001. Given that that event has shaped much of what's happened in the three years since, I really don't think it will have faded into national unconsciousness some 35 years later. Imagine someone from 1980 going back to 1939 and somehow not mentioning anything about WWII, or Pearl Harbor, or concentration camps.

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

7. Unless....

something worse happens that takes over 9/11 in the consciousness.

Recall how, after Columbine, no one referred to a school massacre as a "Jonesboro" anymore.

I don't know what to think about this, but I don't think that a failure to specifically mention 9/11 means as much as we might think.

[mermaid]

9. Fair Enough...BUT...This Is What Occurs To ME...

Let's just take the example of where Titor mentions "A skyscraper missing in New York." Notice the singular??
Yet, we are missing TWO skyscraper in New York...both WTC1 and 2...also WTC7, so, technically, THREE!!
Is is possible this was NOT a reference to 9/11...but maybe a reference to the building they are planning in PLACE OF the WTC, and he could be referring to a future event that has YET to be fulfilled?

Unless I am mistaken, WTC is to be replaced by a SINGLE skyscraper, that is 1,776 feet tall? ONE skyscraper!!

Perhaps THIS one gets attacked later? and that THIS is the "A skyscraper missing in New York" that he's referring to, and NOT 9/11?

After all, if he really WAS from 2036...this building would have been built by then, and conceivably could get attacked and brought down again by that time. Possible, do you suppose...that this reference of Titor's speaks of an event YET TO HAPPEN...and we are misinterpreting it to refer to 9/11, when, in fact, it may refer to an entirely different event?

And, again, I certainly believe that the idea that Titor is a complete hoax...is a valid theory...every bit as valid as the theory that titor is exactly what he said he was. I've not researched enough yet to have formed an opinion one way or another. I just think this makes a fascinating study!

I'd love to hear from others, as to their thoughts and theories on John Titor...especially if they have researched it far longer than I have...perhaps can point me to places to see other stuff I have not yet seen...and, through posting of their own thoughts...help me to formulate my own thoughts concerning John Titor.

I have a very open mind...this is just something I wished to throw out there, and get some dialogue started among some other Titor researchers. Please, continue to feel free...believers, debunkers, doubters, open-minded folks...whatever...to post here...and state your beliefs concerning Titor...and why you believe as you do.

again, I just find this to be a quite fascinating case study.

I do find it difficult to believe that such an elaborate hoax could have been carried out by a single human being, without a single screwup. Maybe "John Titor" was a group of people? Has anyone ever advanced that notion? It is fairly certain, from what I've seen...that John Titor was not even his REAL NAME...he, imself had said it was an alias.

[Dookus]

11. You keep saying

it's unlikely for anybody to continue such an elaborate hoax without a screw up.

But what's elaborate about it? A guy sat down at a computer and typed. I don't see anything elaborate about that, and if you spend more than an hour on the internet, you'll find countless of examples of people pretending to be something other than what they are. Just go to an AOL chat room.

[Blue-Jay]

13. John Titor?

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<GASP>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[rockymountaindem]

14. I heard of him on this site before.

I was intrigued by his claims, and I teamed up with a friend to evaluate them. I took the historical/political side, and he took the science aspect (my friend is Mr. physics).

After about 3 days of investigation we determined that there are many flaws in the story. Some of them are big and others small.

One of the more glaring ones involves John Titor's description of the so-called "multiverse". Titor says that there are infinate universes where every possible decision is played out. This means that the universe is kind of like a flow chart or tree where things branch out. This means that it would be kind of simple to travel back along the line to a certain point, however it would be impossible to travel back forward to your starting point because there are infinate branches on the tree, and you could wind up anywhere in the multiverse. Therefore, Titor's claims of traveling back to his home in the future doesn't fit in with his description of the multiverse.

Furthermore, there are some inaccuracies in his historical/political story. The odds of Omaha surviving a nuclear war are very small, as it is the location of a major Air Force headquarters complex. His tales of figiting with a "shotgun infantry" unit during the civil war are also not practical, if you know anything about the limited battlefield applications of the shotgun on a battlefield.

From the physics standpoint, my friend had some interesting things to say. He used the photos that Titor supposedly took of his time machine to debunk the story. He pointed out that the picture of a magnet supposedly bending a laser doesn't work out. According to him, any magnet with the power to bend a light would destroy everything around it, including the poor guy holding the camera! He also said that research into "singularities", the physics phenomena which supposedly powers the time machine, has indicated that if a singularity were ever to be createted here on earth, the planet would be crunched into a ball smaller than the head of a pin.

Lastly, he said that the photos of the "time machine" itself were probably photos of 1950's era radiation detectors which were sold to people who built bomb shelters behind their houses.

If you look closely, the Titor thing turns out to be a bunch of hooey.

[rucky]

15. Very entertaining!

but nothing more.


Thanks for the link.

[enigmatic]

16. I've Followed Titor's story..

since his appearence on the Art Bell BBS in 2000; it's incredibly provocotive stuff, isn't it?

[Dogmudgeon]

17. He's nothing but a DOG-DAMNED GOAT-SUCKING LIAR!

A visitor from 2036, my lily-white ass!

He's from 2025, and he's faking the rest. Badly! Because Science has determined that no one can see eleven years into the future!

It has been bedunked!

He stole the Time Machine I myself personally invented from a Very Special model of Toaster-Oven -- and he's HOGGING all the credit! But the joke's on him, since the toaster-oven is, itself, from an Alternative TIME LINE -- the Alternative TIME LINE where L. Ron Hubbard achieved fame and fortune for inventing tasty low-carb PANCAKES that also conferred the power of TELEPATHY -- to those who cooked them! (Yes, it's also the timeline where actress KIM DARBY was elected as our 40th President! True, all true!)

In fact, I predict that this fraud, this mountebank, this poltroon, this FREAK of NATURE named John Titor will eventually be Bedunked by SCIENCE!

--bkl
CRISWELL! Lives! On! In! My! PUNCTUATION!