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Mr. McD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:57 AM
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So which really did come first
the chicken or the egg? I know the answer. Do you?
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:03 AM
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1. Egg.
Keeping in mind "Evolution", a bird one evolutionary step away from being a "chicken" would lay the egg which would hatch into the first generation of "chicken".

No?

Who's going to cry "FOWL" on my theory?
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 04:27 AM
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2. Egg
Birds were around and laying eggs long before they evolved into chickens. They eventually mutated enough to become what we call chickens, but each one of them came out of an egg. Anyone who thinks otherwise is cracked, and the yolk's on them. Eggcellent Smithers!
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:05 AM
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3. Check in with Gollum
that little fellow knows a lot.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 05:26 AM
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4. chicken
Because the chicken had to come before the egg could. (Okay, stupid sex joke. It was really the egg.)
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:23 AM
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5. The egg
for something to be considered genetically to be a chicken it has to have a certain DNA structure, according to evolution DNA mutates over time into the species we have now and those mutations occur during gestation, so therefore there was a parent proto-chicken at some point which mated with a proto-rooster, their offspring mutated into the chicken we know today and that final mutation wasn evolutionary leap forward for poultry. I wonder what it was? Better plumage leading to a reproductive super stud rooster? The Ability for a female chicken to double it's breeding capability? A better beak?
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nuxvomica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 10:08 AM
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9. "those mutations occur during gestation"
I thought mutations occurred before gestation. In fact, I thought they occurred prior to fertilization. :shrug:
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:43 AM
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6. Maybe you don't realize the question is ambiguous
Let's look at the egg from which the first chicken was hatched. Now, is that egg a 'chicken egg'? Well after all, it produced a chicken. Well, then, is that egg a proto-chicken egg? After all it was layed by a proto-chicken.

You see when a noun modifies another noun, the relationship is not language specified. On the other hand an adjective modifying a noun has a specific relationship to that noun.

A good example is steel factory. If steel is an adjective, then the factory is made of steel (the relationship is determined). If steel is a noun, then the relationship is pretty much up in the air. True, the commonest used meaning would be producer of steel. But it really means, factory having an association with steel. In fact, this phrase (with the right emphasis to show this) can be a noun plus noun and mean the same thing as adjective plus noun.

Ah, I love English.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 08:44 AM
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7. it has to be the egg
the egg forms around the developin embryo, so technically there is an egg before the embryo develops enough be a chicken.

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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 09:39 AM
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8. The Catsup bottle
Before I order either eggs or chicken, if the diner doesn't offer catsup, neither will come to my table
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