History Question: How did Canada

[FDRrocks]

escape our 'manifest destiny'? I know the main fixation was 'sea to 'shining' sea'... but there was also the vertical growth, evident in such over-dramatized tales such as the Alamo.

So how did contemporary Canada handle the American expansion so well. Was it because of the climate?

[SmileyBoy]

1. Canada has its own shameful history w/ aboriginal people.

The Canadian government forced many horrible things onto aboriginals (population transfers, exile, starvation), including the Metis in the mid 1800's.

[HEyHEY]

7. Bingo ..well done

Now if only Canadians would admit that

[Darth_Kitten]

12. I think they do........

n/t ;)

[HEyHEY]

15. Many won't

[dutchdemocrat]

13. Admit I will.

http://www.gov.nu.ca/

At least Canada is making up for it's past.

Nunavut.



Area of Nunavut 1,900,000 sq km
Area of Canada 9,970,610 sq km

A billion a year. We owe it to them and we are doing the right thing.

Not to mention settlements of many treaties in the past few years.

HEyHEY I know you are the token Canadian, 'round here - but as a reporter in the NWT for a number of years working with Slavey, Cree and Metis, I dare say you slagging 'white' Canadians to admit what?

Why don't you take action? Have you volunteered in a Native college? I did in college in Victoria and I found out all about the Jesuit rapes, and babies popping out smelling like whisky. I learnt about split families and government programs from the past that were evil.

But what are you willing to do about it? I am a Dutch Canadian who went north after journalism school to make a difference. Did I? Who knows? But I cared. I could 'admit' that the past from all sides of my heritage had its problems.

Have you spent any time in the north in or in any Native communities?

Funny enough, I have 1/16 blood, my great Grandmother was Cree. I could not join the band. Too bad. My half sister was lucky. Our father was Dutch but her mother was Inuit. She did well. The system did well for her. It did the right thing. She's a doctor and the government paid for it.

[huellewig]

2. We feared the real beer?

Didn't they burn down the capital? So there was a fight. I'm off to google some info about this.

below is edited in.......

From: http://www.rpsc.org/Library/1812/warof1812.htm

Introduction

Considering its historical significance to Canada it is surprising that so few stamps have been issued to commemorate the War of 1812. A by-product of the Napoleonic Wars that preoccupied most of Europe at the beginning of the 19th century, the War of 1812, declared by the United States on Great Britain under President James Madison on 18 June 1812, is a source of pride to Canadians as many inhabitants, principally of Upper Canada, fought alongside the Regular British Army and Indian allies to thwart American plans to capture what were then the British colonies on their northern flank.

The war was primarily caused by the British Navy's boarding of American ships to forcibly enlist any sailors of British origin and its attempts to prevent the United States from trading with France. In addition, the Americans, who were encountering strong resistance from Indians in their push westward, believed that Great Britain was encouraging Indian opposition.

The United States planned to take over Upper Canada (the basis of modern-day Ontario) and Lower Canada (the basis of modern-day Québec) in a single mass attack. The invasion was to occur at four strategic locations: across from Detroit, in the Niagara area, at Kingston, and south of Montréal. If they succeeded, they would isolate and then capture the stronghold of Québec City, thereby cutting off any further British troop movement up the St Lawrence River and into the Great Lakes.

There were wins and losses on both sides during the two years that the war lasted, with no clear victory for either of the warring parties (the Treaty of Ghent signed on 24 December 1814 maintained the status quo). The British colonies, however, remained independent of the United States and their inhabitants would continue to forge what would become some fifty years later the new Canadian nation.

Only three Canadian stamps featuring themes related to the War of 1812 have been issued: one commemorating the birth of Sir Isaac Brock, "the Hero of Upper Canada," one commemorating Laura Secord, and one in honour of Lieutenant-Colonel Charles-Michel de Saleberry. Tecumseh, who was an important ally, has never been portrayed on a Canadian stamp. He has, however, been honoured by Guernsey in a 1996 souvenir sheet that was produced for CAPEX 96.

[HawkerHurricane]

3. The British Army.

Canada, a British colony, then a member of the Commonwealth, had outside protection, unlike the American Indian tribes and Mexico. Shaving off the northern third of Mexico was part of a compromise between the Whigs (who wanted no Mexican territory) and Democrats (who wanted all of Mexico)... most of it was empty (except for California, which had more Americans living there than Mexicans), and we paid for the land.

[FDRrocks]

4. I figured

the British had a hand up north as well. Although I figured the France played a large role in the whole deal... for obvious reasons.

[HawkerHurricane]

5. Nope, not France.

By the time the U.S. was a country, the British had thrown the French out of Canada... (I speak of the French army and government, not the French colonists of Quebec).

[izzie]

6. We did have some fights over country lines.

Check your maps.The early people were much the same and they even worried the NS would be the 14 state. Fr. were taken out as they were not sure they would be with England enough. Maine and NE had the Fr come in and work the mills and they came in families. Many in my own family came to this country through Canada and some in my family have also gone back to be Can. All these I hunt seem to be both Scots and English just as the NE side is. I would say we were all thinking a like so after the battles of the 17th. FR and Brits, did not fight any more. Or on this side of the ocean. The story of Fort Louis burg is just crazy and it is a wild place to go if you ever get into Canada. I think it shows you what ends people will go to kill each other.

[HEyHEY]

8. Two super powers

Britain and USA.... neither wanted to go at er

[unblock]

9. ok but what about the 49th parallel?

in 1844, james k. polk won the election in part on the slogan "54-40 or fight!", a call to annex the entire oregon territory up to 54 degress, 40 minutes, which is way the hell north.

instead, in 1846, polk signed the oregon treaty agreeing to the 49th parallel as the northern border of western u.s., which stands to this day.

why did polk, an agressive expansionist who gobbled up the entire southwest, cave on the oregon territory?

i suspect he realized he just didn't have the fighting force out west that he needed to back his bluff, but i can't find any confirmation of this.

anyone know?

[Bridget Burke]

10. Polk wanted the Mexican territory more.

'By 1843, increased American immigration on the Oregon Trail to the Territory made the border issue a burning one in Congress, where jingoists raised the slogan of “54 degrees 40 minutes or fight.” President James Polk, a supporter of Manifest Destiny with an eye also on the Mexican Southwest and California, was eager to settle the boundary of the Oregon Territory and proposed a settlement on the 49 degree line to Great Britain. British Minister to Washington, Richard Pakenham, and Secretary of State James Buchanan, supported and encouraged by British Foreign Secretary Lord Aberdeen and Senator John C. Calhoun of South Carolina, worked out a compromise. With some minor modifications, which reserved the whole of Vancouver Island to Canada, Great Britain agreed to Polk's suggestion. The Senate ratified the treaty by a vote of 41-14 on June 18, 1846. A later controversy over the precise boundaries in the Juan de Fuca Strait was resolved by international arbitration in favor of the United States.'

From the Department of State site. The first paragraph on the page refers to Manifest Destiny thusly: "The territory became a focus of those who believed that it was the United States’ obligation and right to extend its rule and liberties across the North American continent."

Liberties? My education was hardly radical but I learned it was mostly a hunger for territory. Revisionism at work?

www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/dwe/16335.htm

[DrWeird]

14. The Civil War.

There were plans in the late 1850's to forcibly expand the border to 54 40', but they were scraped because of that damn Yankee aggression.

[KG]

11. too much snow?

:shrug: