I'm shaking ,, I came face to face with Un-American hate tonight

[proud patriot]

A woman told me to my face that I "should be tried
and shot for treason" :grr:

Why? because I have a Kerry Sticker on my car
or maybe it my Yellow Ribbons or my Flag ...

Could it of been my "has anyone seen my Constitutional
rights" sticker ?

Maybe the one that says "I don't have to like bush to
love my Country" .

I have the word VOTE on the back of my car .

I now know what you all who live in red states
live with ...:cry:

I'm shaking too bad to type .....insert DEAN SCREAM

Breathe Trish Breathe

I did respond . In my Supportive of the troops
and the Constitution way . I told her 700 Americans
have died based on a lie , she laughed so I said
American lives may be a joke to you but they are
not a joke to me . that's when she said I should
be tried and shot for treason . I said "for what
supporting The Constitution, lying to start a war is Treason ."

All she could do was shake her head and look down.
She never could look me in the eye .

I have never faced anything so disgraceful in my whole
life . I thought I'd share it ..

I'm a little better now after typing that out .

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. You jsut met the enemy within

And I am not kidding when I type this

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. Where do you live?

I'm in a heavy duty republican county (Dennis Hastert's home base is just down the road a few miles). I don't put any bumper stickers or otherwise up...I'm afraid they'll key my car.

[proud patriot]

7. Suburb of San Francisco n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

20. Very scary.

Next time, hold up a mirror and take a good look at who the traitor is.

Honestly, after 45 years in this world, I've never seen things like this. Not even in the 60's.

[Taverner]

43. I live in San Ramon

Which is a fairly conservative place in the bay area. My neighbors all know where our political interests lie - - we had a Clark Banner in the window and we since replaced it with Kerry's.

I'm flanked by cops on both sides, one cop made a funny comment that although he's voting for Bush, sometimes he thinks about voting for Kerry because he likes to get paid...

[proud patriot]

46. I live a couple of towns away from you

Howdy neighbor :hi:

[XanaDUer]

3. I live in Repuke Central

my friend had her car spat on because of a bumper sticker.

These people's world is falling apart, and they will take it out on you.

[arcane1]

f*ck yes they will...

I do NOT expect most of these brownshirts to suddenly say 'we were wrong, sorry'

they will destroy, rather than lose face :grr:

[cosmicdot]

82. I don't think they'll ever change ... they've been 30 years in the making

the Great Depression woke up a lot of people ... but, I think these folks are too far gone ... the meanspiritedness engulfs their existence ... they've become what the colonists rebelled against ... many families have them ... I have a sister in law who thinks she's a Christian, but is so full of greed and hate ...

this particular woman probably thinks she's a compassionate conservative, too

GW could take all her worldly possessions, handed an eviction notice signed by GW ... and, she would blame Clenis and Hitlery

Faux, LImpballs, Falwell, and Pat Robertson have created a great divide ... they're traitors

[DarkPhenyx]

4. Welcome to the front line of the war.

Not a pretty place, but at least you are out there fighting. Better'in a lot of folks are doing. You can share my foxhole, ok? :pals:

[opiate69]

5. I would have told the worthless hag

"You go right ahead and get a fucking cop here right now to arrest me for treason, you xenophobic, jingoistic, uneducated whore!!!!"... but, that's just me...actually, you handled it pretty well, I'd say..

[proud patriot]

11. I wish I had said that

language she could of understood :evilgrin:

[blm]

6. Welcome to SC, proud....

Actually, I think you gave her the perfect answer.

Bush is the treasonous one and the more we say it out loud, the better.

[patchdickens]

29. so, what part of s.c. I grew

up there!

[blm]

58. I'm in Horry County now, but moving to NC next month.

.

[arcane1]

8. she had NOTHING to respond with

the goddamned right-wing blow-hards give them no information, they just sneer at us, and the dumb-ass public responds in kind. When it is time to ask WHY, they are dumbstruck


I hope she is the last asshole you have to deal with :grr:

:toast: for showing her that YOU are smarter... and SHE KNOWS IT!!!!!


:yourock:

[noahmijo]

16. I live in Tucson Az

Where it's an interesting mix. Arizona as you know is a swing state. Phoenix is mostly conservative, but Tucson is essentially a mix of conservatives and liberals, but overall liberal. I'm safe with my kerry sticker at the University of Arizona, but I do get a bit nervous when I leave my car parked in any shopping outlet, but overall I bet I'm safer than you people in the southern states! I think I'd leave my car totally bare if I lived in those areas,

[Az]

21. Thats good to know

Oh wait. You weren't addressing me. I gotta write Arizona and tell them I had this name first.

[skooooo]

34. Wow, has it gotten to the point where...

...people are afraid to put bumper stickers on their cars??

That's just sad.

[fudge stripe cookays]

75. It's like that in red states all the time.

They like using keys on our paint to teach us a lesson.

[SCDem]

84. I live in a red state (SC) and happily drive with my sticker

which says "Outsource Bush" and will be adding to it in the near future. If someone keys your car.... report it.... we should not let them get away with crime and scaring us out of posting ourbeliefs wherever that may be.

[proud patriot]

18. Thanks Buddy

usually they are much more subdude around these parts .

Well I guess they just went from laughing at me to
fighting me so I must be closer to winning .

[arcane1]

22. you got it, exactly

:thumbsup:

[Az]

9. There is a culture war going on in this nation

It passes by us on a daily basis and is hidden by our complacency. But the death of real dialog and ideas has lead us into a culdesac where are vital social discourse was mugged, beaten and left for dead. Now the two camps are growing further and further apart. We do not recognise each other until we open our mouths and talk. But that happens so infrequently that we usually never know we have passed by someone that thinks we are evil incarnate.

[TahitiNut]

80. It's GUARANTEED to get worse - much worse.

After the General Election, no matter which way it goes, it'll be far, far worse. Mark my words.

[proud patriot]

89. Hi TahitiNut

:hi: I think you're right about that :-(

[supernova]

10. Buck up, Proud Patriot!

We have work to do!

I'm sorry you had to witness that. But that gives you the chance to prepare your response for next time.

Hugs to you. :hug:

[liberalhistorian]

62. Very true, and

next time it happens think WWJS, What Would Johnny (Depp) say? Remember how he caught shit for saying that he'd rather raise his kids in France than the U.S. right now and he told it like it was regarding the current administration? He didn't back down even during the shitstorm that he had to have known would be coming. That's what we should all do.

I remember a note I got on my windshield back when I had four very anti-Bush, anti-war stickers on my old '88 Chevy, "Take these stupid anti-American stickers off your car NOW or I'll follow you home, you stupid filthy whore!" And that was at a COLLEGE!!!

[fudge stripe cookays]

76. JEEZ LH!

I would have raised my middle fingers, calmly, pointed them in the air, turned a complete circle looking around me, and driven home.

On the drive home, I would have called over several brawny friends with firearms, told them to come over, and waited for the fucker.

"Officer, honestly....he came here completely unprovoked! We were just protecting ourselves!"

[liberalhistorian]

77. LOL!

I think I'll do that next time!!!

[NewHampster]

12. Sorry, Actually I'm not sorry

I think more people need to see the real other side and report back as well as you have.

Thank you.

The Good side of this is the knowledge that people with an IQ like hers rarely vote and can't read the ballot or push the touch screen.

[Kadie]

13. How awful.

But you know, the fact that she couldn't look you in the eye says alot. Some people shoot off their mouths without having any facts to back up what they say. Sorry she was so mean to you.

Good for you for getting your opinion in. Hopefully she will think a little before attacking the next person. You did good!

[roguevalley]

14. hugs, honey.

[madmax]

15. Glad you're ok

You've got moxie. :hug:

[LastKnight]

17. so... youve visited south dakota then im guessing?

and you didnt visit me? lol.

yea no bumperstickers for me... i prefer to not get my car keyed or tires slashed or windows busted out (they will do those things out here, ive seen it, ive heard about it happen) and then the dumbasses left a bush bumper sticker pasted to the door in both cases, it may have been the same person/people

why do people have to hate so much?

ive been called hippie, anti-american, heathen(im not even athiest/agnostic), traitor, communist, whatever, ive heard it all... you learn to get used to it out here in a state that has 70 percent strong right wing republicans.

-LK

[UnAmericanJoe]

19. The origin of my DU name...

I've been called Un-American so many times in the last 4 years that I just decided to put it in my name.

I wear it as a badge of honor.

[LastKnight]

24. me too

if all of america is going to be the way george dubya bush* wants it... hell ill take anti-american over being part of that any day.

not the origin of my name though, but i do take pride in the fact that im pissing these people off enough for them to call me some of the names they do lol.

-LK

[CrownPrinceBandar]

23. You are speaking out against the party.....

Shame on you, comrade. Let me see your papers.

</sarcasm>

[NewHampster]

25. Proud Patriot - This is Your Flag Fly it on Your Car Too

Right next to the other stickers.

[proud patriot]

26. Thanks NewHampster

:hi: It is my flag

[NewHampster]

30. We Can't let them take it away.

you're welcome PP

[PragMantisT]

27. Hey Proud Patriot

thanks for standing up for us all!

[proud patriot]

36. I kept thinking of Mari333

and all the other soilders and their families
who I've talked to .

I just got through Will's thread in GD the letter
from a wife of an injured soldier before going
to the store .

[flamingyouth]

28. I am so sorry, Trish - how scary for you!!!

Was your son with you when this happened? Poor you.

:hug:

[proud patriot]

32. No, but my dog was in the back of the car

so My goldie could of licked her ...:silly:

[indigo32]

31. Damn - it really has come to this hasn't it.

:hug:
I'm sorry that happened.

[rustydog]

33. "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country!"

[proud patriot]

50. Great Quote

:loveya:

[BluePatriot]

35. You may be scared but...

it sure sounds like you put that lady in her place. You are a lot braver than I would have been. Kudos to you! Heck, I'm scared to put anything on my car, and have to carefully frame what I say when I open my mouth. (Red states are no fun, and after pausing to reread that, it scares me that I feel hesitant to express myself fully. What are we coming to as a nation?) I'm sorry you had to experience that...guess we are all getting to experience GWB's "uniting" tactics, eh?

Anyway, here is a hug :hug: Go treat yourself to a favorite meal and long bath...wish I could give you more substantial advice.

[proud patriot]

39. I was not scared , I was angry and am sad for my Country

I will never back down , What I faced tonight
was nothing compared to what our troops are
facing daily in Iraq and the suffering
of their families back home .

When I get angry I shake when I don't have a
physical outlet after my adrenalin has pumped
me up .

For a minute I thought she was going to get out of her
car . To which I would of got out to . My adrenalin
is calming down now .

[put out]

48. I thank you, I am not so brave.

I admire you. That must have been scary.

It can be dangerous to confront people who are constantly being confronted with thoughtful opposition to their opinions and actions.

There is a cognitive disconnect. They think that their opinions are infallible. Then, when shown that that their deeply (or perhaps, shallowly) held opinions might be faulty, they simply cannot accept it. It turns out that they might actually be wrong, or need to reconsider their stances.

And, what the hell is the big deal about that? I have altered my stance on many issues as I have grown. It did not kill me, but it made me ashamed upon occasion about my rigidity in the past.

Too many words. I am proud of your handling of this situation.

[proud patriot]

49. I know what you mean about growing and changing stances

over my lifetime there are many things
I changed my views on as I learned more
about it .

:hi:

[Fuzz]

37. I have NEVER put any bumper stickers on my car. . . .

but I am seriously considering it now. I just don't like bumper stickers of any kind, never have. Sure, I live in New Jersey, a pretty liberal state, but I'm considering it to see the reaction.

I'm often told I don't 'look' liberal, whatever that means. I'm 6'2" 255 lbs with a beard, really short hair and the look of a deranged lumberjack. Would be interesting to see if someone like me would get the same reaction.

[Taverner]

38. She called you a traitor

Because you hit her with the truth. You should be proud, damn proud of yourself.

To paraphrase Jack, she couldn't handle the truth...

[LTR]

40. Next time you are called a 'traitor'...

...ask the person to define 'treason'.

That should shut the morans up.

[opiate69]

51. Hell, I'd bet most of 'em

couldn't even spell treason, let alone define it!

[sasquatch]

41. The next time you say

"Fuck off, Fascist!!"

[caledesi]

42. Flat tire, Dn't ask,

I had a Howard dean sticker on my car. Within days the tire was flattened. Nice huh?

[chicagojoe]

44. I catch crap all the time here in the ONLY IL gop stronghold.

I live in an area just outside Chicago that is just about the only Republi-scum stronghold left in Illinois. J. Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House is my Rep., so you could imagine what these buffoons out here are like. One recent Saturday afternoon, I went into a deli for a sandwich. Another customer noticed my "BUSH SUCKS" t-shirt. This corn-hole, who looked like George Will in the "right-wing" weekend uniform( pink polo shirt and khaki Dockers ), said to me, and I quote,
"somebody ought to kick you around a little for wearing that shirt".
So,I said to him, "well, how about you ?". He's about 5'7" tall, 160 pounds. I'm a large man--6'3", 230 pounds. He turned paler than he already was, and left quickly. As I was leaving the deli a few moments later, he appeared with a police officer, screaming about how I threatened to beat him up. The officer asked me what happened, I told the story as it happened, and the officer told me to be on my way.
My point is, don't let these clowns get to you. All they have to work with is their loud mouths.

[Guaranteed]

54. OOOOOHHH snap...READ THIS POST.

Great job, my friend. LOVE it.

[Donkeyboy75]

65. Nice story, Joe.

Luckily I live in Wicker Park in the city, so I don't have to put up with that kind of shit. It's typical Republican behavior...he is the one who makes the first pseudo-threat, then runs to authority when he gets scared, blaming YOU for something HE did. I really really don't know how these people live with themselves.

I loved your comeback to him, by the way.

[Hand]

85. Yeah HUP, chicagojoe....

:yourock: !!!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

86. What a chicken!

Great story!

[mvd]

45. Be proud you took the high road, proud patriot

I think by the sounds of it, you hurt her more than any nastiness would have. These are very scary times we live in. I mean, this woman probably would have never called you that if Clinton was President! I am ashamed that people are falling for the neoconservatives' power grab. We should have learned our lesson after the McCarthy era and Vietnam. And haven't people read Fahrenheit 451 where people use a constant state of war? It's also troubling that this is happening outside of conservative areas. Sorry you had to go through it, but again, great job! Keep up the fight! If we don't, the neoconservatives will destroy this country for a long time. :hi:

[maggrwaggr]

47. I'd tell her to quit listening to Hate Radio

I'd say "where'd you hear that, Rush or Hannity or Savage?"

Then I'd ask her why she hates someone so much, someone she's never met?

[DemosthenesOfTheWest]

52. Wow! You really handled yourself well.

You stood up for yourself, while being purposely provoked, w/o losing your cool. Very impressive.

[Endangered Specie]

53. I think a nice big...

Seig Heil Salute on your part woulda helped lighten the situation.

[Dark]

55. Living in hardcore hatred country (Northern Right wing Bible belt)

I can tell you alot of what I've heard about liberals from people:

"Why don't you communists and terrorists leave this country and go to Europe?"

"You aren't patriots. You aren't even Americans."

"We should abolish the public educational system. People will value education more if they have to pay an arm and a leg for it."

"Liberals are nothing more than a bunch of commie pinkish fags."

"All democrats should have their skulls bashed in."

These are the memories I haven't repressed. But, I've become jaded by it, so I don't care that much any more.

But the stupidest thing I've ever heard a conservative say:

"Bush didn't lie."

LOL!

[Room101]

56. I run into similar situations at least twice a week.

I have huge homemade bumper posters on my car. Ever time I run into BROWN SHIRTS, I literally quick draw my pocket Constitution from my back pocket” Where’s your Constitution? Have you ever read the patriots hand book?” I swear to God 100 % of the time they turn into Deer in headlights. Run to the bookstore its only five bucks.

In my calm response I would have added you’re the modern day NAZI who disregards the Constitution for your Fueror’s will. Or say umm “should be tried and shot" for not agreeing with the Fueror Sounds like NAZI Germany to me. I’m in Concord and Walnut Creek two days a week if you ever see a huge yellow sign on back of a car (guess who)

The positive responses (thumbs up, thanks) more than double the middle fingers (exclamation mark on a ignorant thought) so all in all I’m happy. Being on the front lines at first I would get steaming mad pissed, now I employ cold anger that triggers increased motivation to get the truth out. How funny I always think of Mari333 in these situations.

[proud patriot]

69. Gosh I'm surprised I haven't seen your car or you mine

We are in the same neighborhood .

I do have a constitution in my purse and I
should whip it out more . :hi:

[nickgutierrez]

57. This scares me, because I really don't know how I would respond

On a good day I might ask about a million hard-to-answer questions and let the idiot dig her own grave.

On other days, I may just respond "Fuck you," smile, and walk away.

If this ever happens to me, I hope I'm not too shocked to be able to choose option 1.

[NewHampster]

59. I like option 2 better

but without the smile

[King_Crimson]

60. Sounds like this bitch has been listening to too much...

hate radio! These scumbags need to get a life...'cause if they try to steal the next election they'll be facing us in the streets...then they'll have to back that "tough talk"!:mad:

[johnnie]

61. I'm embarrassed to say this but...

I have a Kerry bumper sticker and can't get myself to put it on my new Jeep. I am leasing it and only recently got it. It kills me to think that if I put it on, my vehicle would be subject to vandalism.
I want my America back.

[Guaranteed]

64. Ahh screw it. Do it, man

Money is no object. Tell em how you feel.

[Skittles]

63. she said you should be tried before being shot?

that's pretty impressive for a freeper

[Donkeyboy75]

66. Great one, Skittles!

Maybe there's hope for this Freeper yet!

[democratreformed]

67. "George Bush is the REAL man!!" That's what someone

yelled at me while I was canvassing for Wes Clark. I wanted to puke. I was merely walking by and didn't bother to approach this group (we were canvassing at a Razorback game tailgate party) and she yelled it at me. She said "We support President Bush". I said "I'm sorry" and kept walking. I truly was sorry to see someone so misguided. That's when she yelled that phrase to me as I was walking away.

[NMDemDist2]

70. GBush is a "real man" does that make Clark "Superman" ?? makes sense n/t

[sus]

68. that's terrible...

you should be proud for being mature and calm about it. i usually let me temper get the best of me and come back with, "go fuck yourself" or something eloquent like that.

although lately i like to point out that i AM a preacher's daughter and that christ speaks directly to me every morning over my wheaties and therefore i should not be questioned.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

71. Hello my fellow un-American traitor!

:hi:

Sorry to hear about your run-in with a Rushbot.

It is a perfect illustration of the primary difference between Democrats and the evil GOPers: we do wacky things like put bumperstickers on our cars and go to marches to express ourselves and our frustrations, they tend to call for our deaths. :eyes:

Hang tough, Proud!

:hug: :hug: :hug:

[proud patriot]

73. Thanks Hell

:hug:

Hanging tough

I figure it'll get worse the closer we get to the
election , and then when we win it may be the most
dangerous time for us yet .

[terrya]

72. What in God's name is happening in this country?

That's making me almost as mad as you, Trish.

First of all, the words "traitor" and "treason" have been bandied about WAY too much since Bush has taken office. This is the horrible results of the Sean Hannitys and the Ann Coulters of this country. They SHOULD be ashamed of themselves, but I don't think people like Hannity and Coulter HAVE any shame.

I'm sorry you had to deal with that jerk, Trish.

:hug:

Terry

[proud patriot]

74. Thanks Terry

:hug: "I mad as Hell and I'm not taking it anymore"

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

78. HAHAHA! You should have SEEN the looks I got at COSTCO with

my HERO/ZERO shirt on the other day. I got more thumbsup than dirty looks but none of the dirty lookers said anything to me.

Next time someone pulls that shit with you ask them what part of the First Amendment is UNAMERICAN?

[fudge stripe cookays]

79. Sorry sweetie!

Ugh.

I've always considered SF and environs "safe haven." Turns out it's like this everywhere.

We've got a "Dean", a "Texas Democrat," and a "Re-Defeat Bush" on ours. I noticed our first major ding the other day, which was not there before the Re-Defeat Bush was put on about 3 weeks ago.

Breathe....you did good! I tend to freeze up in situations like this; I either get so mad I can't speak, or my eloquence goes out the window and I just start yelling profanity.

I hope for all of our sakes, your calmness can rub off on me.

Keep the faith!
You rock!

FSC

[proud patriot]

90. Thanks ...Those are cool stickers

:hi:

[slackmaster]

81. That woman deserves to be shot

For abuse of hyperbole.

:freak:

[cally]

83. I admire you for the way you handled that

ignorant person. You got your points across and didn't back down. I love your bumper stickers on your car. :hug:

It always surprises me when you hear that stuff in the mostly liberal SF Bay Area. I was once told I was committing treason for wearing my array of anti-Bush pins. Do these folks have any knowledge of our constitution or laws? Idiots.

[proud patriot]

91. I doubt they have ever read it

gosh it's such a small book too :shrug:

[Catherine Vincent]

87. I'll bet if you were a guy or a black guy, this woman wouldn't

have said peep to you. I wish some woman would approach me and say that. She'd definitely get a good cursing.

[NightTrain]

88. I'd love for that woman to see MY bumper stickers!

1. WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.

2. A list of about 20 right-wing pundits, followed by, "LIBERAL MEDIA," MY ASS!

3. A picture of Condoleezza Rice with this caption inside a comic balloon: "'BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN U.S.' YEAH, WHATEVER. LET'S BOMB IRAQ!"

[davsand]

92. I got yelled at in the grocery store by an old lady.

She didn't like my BUSH LIED button. It is on my purse, BTW, and she looked over and saw it. We had a "nice chat" about the fact that this nation was founded by people who though political dissent is an essential right, and that it is true patriotism to stand up with an opinion.

I didn't swear at her, but it was touch and go there for a bit. I admit, I took umbrage at being told I needed to just leave this country if I hated it so much. However, I do think she was reassured by my statement that Rush Limbaugh and his "walking afterbirth listeners" were not representative of real Americans. :evilgrin:

Nah, as flip as I am about my run in with the old hag, I walked away from that exchange realizing that there is a HUGE split in this nation that is not gonna go away anytime soon.

I've fought the abortion wars, and the battles for health care access and the GLBT battles too long to not see that the conservative mindset is there--but I don't think I fully grasped how prevalent it really is... It is one thing to be on a picket line and get yelled at, but it is pretty alarming to get shrieked at in the canned fruits section.

Proud Patriot, you did just fine with her. Be proud that you honored all who came before us and bled and wept for our right to dissent.

Laura

[proud patriot]

93. Thanks Laura

:loveya: Thank you for your public opposition too.

[Ganja Ninja]

94. Don't cry or shake or anything else. Just look her in the eye and...

say in the most hateful tone you can manage "BITE ME!"

[buddhamama]

95. her words are as hollow as

her understanding of our Constitution and principals therein.


I'm sorry that this happened to you,PP.
there will always be assholes,unfortunately
and they do tend to speak for the sake of having something to say,
You did good though. :thumbsup: :hug: