Anybody have daughters who are into the Goth makeup look?

[bif]

I have two dayghters who have pretty faces. Problem is, they're into the Goth look in makeup. Does this drive anyone else crazy? The truth is, they don't need any makeup at all.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

1. from having been a rebel

the more you protest the more they will do it...

[amazona]

2. was into it years ago a bit

It is not about looking "pretty," and for certain girls and women, looking "pretty" is not desirable. It is about looking strong, powerful, dangerous. It is about making a statement that, "I am not afraid of looking into the abyss and seeing what looks back."

Looking "pretty" is, in the end, about getting men and money. I don't see anything wrong with young girls being free of that kind of thinking when they're young. They'll have to rely on their pretty faces soon enough in this wicked world. Let them have their moment of rebellion against this too-visual society.

Well, easy for me to say. It's probably much more difficult watching from the outside.

[Zookeeper]

22. Well said, Amazona! n/t

[Loonman]

3. I wouldn't worry about it

The more you say you hate it, the more they will want to do it.

[Skittles]

4. let 'em be, bif

it's just an expression and Goth is an expression of the times. I'm sure it helps that it "drives you crazy". :D

[bif]

6. I know.

I try not to bug them. It's kind of funny, I took a picture of my older daughter over the weekend and she had almost no makeup on. I was playing around with it in Photoshop last night and she came in the room and commented on how pretty she looked. I didn't say a thing.

[Skittles]

10. when they are 40 they will look at their Goth pics

and wonder what the hell they were thinking. :D

[jonnyblitz]

5. i take it you dont find the goth look attractive. I do

I prefer it to the chirpy sweatery cheerleader young republican look any damn day! :hi:

[Screaming Lord Byron]

7. The thing is, the Goth thing was current twenty years ago.

Are today's teenagers that lame that they regurgitate styles that were popular when their parents were kids? Pshaw!
And very few people can pull it off. Not everyone is Siouxsie Sioux.

[Loonman]

8. I'm glad the scene still survives

I find it a lot more palatable then the crap that's out today.



The Darkness? C'mon!

EMO? Please.....

Avril? Don't make me laugh!

[Screaming Lord Byron]

9. Yeah, but people have to create something new, or we're all fucked!

Fucked, I tell you! Fucked!

C'mon Kids, create some new techno-industrial sci-fi Clockwork Orange subculture before it's too late! Post-Modernism must die! Other facetious comments with exclamation marks!

[Delano]

11. All Goths are posers

And always have been, even when the style was current. (To be fair, so are all new wavers, punks, rap wiggers, metalloids, etc.) It's a part of seeking out an identity. I find the look kind of endearing, since I know it won't last.


I live in SF, and I'm amazed that the "rebellious" kids are still wearing basically the same things "rebellious" kids wore in dorky El Paso when I was a teen 20 years ago.

If you don't really like it, the best thing you can do is start listening to Marilyn Manson yourself (when they're around) and tell them how much you've grown to like their look. Offer to buy them as much white face paint and black lipstick as they need. Help them rat up their hair, etc.

Or you could just annoy the heck out of them by constantly smiling and bouncing around to Britney Spears and N'Sync songs!

[Loonman]

12. O---kay

All Goths are posers

Uhhhhh........no.

[Delano]

14. Say what you want

All fashion and music are poses. Decorations we apply to ourselves to create a desired image.

The only thing real is the casing of flesh and blood that carries us around.

Don't take it personally. "Jocks" are posers, sorority debutantes are posers, and people who wear a casual, don't-give a f#ck look like I do, are POSERS. It just so happens that my look is the most convenient and trouble free. I always go for efficiency.


And another thing. Goths are also CONFORMISTS - like everybody else. Deal with it.

[Loonman]

18. No need to get snippy with me

Mr. Man.

No go listen to some ear-grating talentless indie-rock.

[Delano]

19. Sorry. Meant to be matter-of-fact, not snippy.

Disco, indie-rock, bubble-gum pop, classical, country. They're all the same thing. Some people choose to amplify the differences in the various genre to try and elevate their own tastes above those of others. But music is music. It would all sount the same to an extraterrestrial visitor.

My personal taste runs the gamut. The only thing I don't much care for is "the blues" and too-easy "easy listening", but I don't look down on people who listen to it. Right now I'm listening to "Yozakura" by Fuyumi Sakamoto. Japanese enka.

[bif]

13. Actually it's not totally Goth

It's just what I call it. They do the heavy eyeshadow and excessive amounts of lipstick. But they don't wear white face paint.

[cheezus]

16. so the title of your thread should have been

anyone else have daughters that wear whore makeup?

I think that's just the way teenage girls are. They'll grow out of it.

[bif]

17. Perhaps "demi-goth" would be a better term.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

15. All humans are posers

duh

[CO Liberal]

20. My 28-Year-Old Daughter Does

But when she was going to Bloomfield High School in NJ, she piled on the hair spray and made herself up as something called a "guidette" - the Italian guys were "guidos" and the girls were "guidettes". Never mind that my daughter is Irish and Lithuanian.....

:-)

[felonious thunk]

21. Tell them they look just like all the other nonconformists

and that you think it's cute that they and everyone they know try so hard to not conform.

Will they get that?

[TXlib]

23. There are girls at the YMCA I see when I work out

Some are probably as young as 12 or 13, but with the makeup, clothing style, and hair style, it's hard to tell if they are really younger than 16-17.

I am going to tell my daughters that when they dress to impress boys their age, they're probably also impressing the FATHERS of the boys their age.

[adriennel]

24. wait a couple years

and it will be over : ) I went through a brief Goth phase between my heavy-metal and hippie periods (all in high school). Fortunately none of them lasted! I've become an adult and adopted the "business casual" style (though it's not as much fun as the others)