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dreissig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:45 AM
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Wingers Under Siege
In just about every chat room I'm seeing the right wingers getting hammered. It's all happening at once, they don't know what hit them. Innocent lambs that they are, they believed the bogus surveys that said Bush was going to coast to an easy win. They're finding out the truth.

It's not that Bush has made mistakes; every president does. What's infuriating is that he acts like he's above criticism, that it's unpatriotic to disagree with him. His supporters are unprepared for the outrage this has generated among ordinary, centrist Americans. The brawling campaign of 2004 has hardly begun, and right wingers are wondering why their best material is ineffective.

The biggest laugh is that right wingers are stuck with Bush as he whores out to constituencies they despise. These are the people who got themselves in a snit about Clinton's infidelities!

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:55 AM
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1. I have been noticing this as well
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:55 AM
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2. people R fed up
'n they're pissed. Phone banking 2 Iowa (we even had a registered rethuglican volunteer 2 phone)has re-enforced the anger I am seeing in many different places.

These as*holes have the whole damn pie, cake - jaysus they have the entire freakin' bakery 'n they're still whining, pouting, complaining and I am not the only one sick of it! They have peaked! Overplayed their hand. Only one way 2 go from where they sat.......and they're heading that way now!
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POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:03 AM
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4. Check my name...
Nuff said.

Want more?

Mother (Lifelong republican) ==> Voting Dem this presidential Election

Wife (Registered Republican) ==> Voting Dem this Presidential election. Got her thinking about switching parties.

Am I going to get more converts?

Guys... You don't know just how PO'ed I am!

:beer:
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:38 AM
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13. Cheers to you POed_Ex_Repub time to take back America
:toast:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:56 AM
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14. Used to be one myself***
Its been a while.....

Come from the big R family as well....theyre still back there in R land :)

Anyway, welcome****
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 06:42 AM
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17. This former repub agrees, I despise evertything about them!
Same here, my 70 yr old mother and her 78 yr old boyfriend were lifelong repubs. Both are tired of the BS put out by Prince Jeb and King George. I must say I have never seen my mother as fired up about politics as she is now. I hear that the NEW Republican party is into BDSM and self abuse! "Whip me, beat me, make me feel like the cheap dirty whore that I am!" is the NEW republican motto.

:kick:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:00 AM
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21. Bless your heart! And YES, I want more.
I want MORE people like you coming to their senses and applying these bums LIBERALLY to their local unemployment lines. For some of 'em, orange jumpsuits and perp walks wouldn't be a bad thing (or undeserved).
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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:59 AM
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3. hehe I have noticed that on a different forum I belong too
At my favorite "other" website. Well needless to say, I have endured a long tenure of republican shit shoved down my throat. Recently the format was changed for "off topic discussions"

And Bush is taking a beating big time. I'm enjoying it. ;)
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:04 AM
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5. their right wing meme's
are through...finished...used up...they say that we don't have an agenda...but in all honesty...it's them who don't have an agenda...

It's funny...some of the discussion groups that I go to where a discussion is going on about Bush&Co and their shortfalls...they always refer to the discussion as "liberal slant" "left-wing propaganda" "The Angry Left"...bladda bladda blahhhh...they continue to use these words and are steadily losing ground...they can't argue anymore because they can't prove the fact that their president is losing face...and that he's going to lose his job...!
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:08 AM
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6. I wonder if they'll try to steal the election if it's a landslide AGAINST
Edited on Fri Jan-09-04 03:08 AM by Cat Atomic
Bush. I'd think that the electronic voting machine fraud would only be viable in close races.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:10 AM
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7. I agree with you
Now I don't see it in polls, but I see it at other places...

We are at a cusp of backlash...
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formactv Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:17 AM
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8. Where?
I wish I could experience some of this.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:18 AM
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9. When talking to people locally
now I am moving from a fairly liberal area, to Freeperville

but there is a backlash coming...

This is in many ways 1800 all over again, or 1932... your pick
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:19 AM
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10. they will make it seem close...
and let his brother call it again.

peace
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:25 AM
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11. I don't think they
are stupid enough to use Florida again...they will probably use Texas with Delay's help to steal the election if it comes to that...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 03:33 AM
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12. that is what Texas is all about
give that person a cigar!

But somehow I do not think that Bush will be able to do it...
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Z-axis Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 06:03 AM
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15. Hardly
I don't mean to ring the 'sour' note in this band, but the very fact that someone like Bush is Pres. should clue a few Dems into the fact that the rw is a long way from being hammered.

Indeed, they have been very successful in alternately dismantling and looting the basic institutions of this country and redefining the meanings of most American values to suit their machinery of greed in ways that would have been unimaginable a few decades ago. Some of the finest school systems in the world have been trashed; the surplus's created by democrats have been looted and transferred into the pockets of power and wealth; health care has been transferred wholesale to the insurance industry; the 'war' on drugs continues to bloat the coffers of domestic police and enlarge their program for shredding the U.S. Constitution (& is now allied with the declaration of a perpetual state of terrorism); and the program of 'privatization', begun some 50 years ago under the banner of 'deregulation', is nearing a completed form in some sectors such as energy, communications and other for profit industries to the point complete severance from the reach of the people.

The very idea of liberalism has been pushed so far to the right that it resembles something more like the centerest position of the rw 30 years ago. The rw has pretty much managed to capture and define almost all the terms of issue debates, from abortion to capital punishment, and if they seem to be screaming - it is a ploy. The scream just as loud no matter how much the left capitulates. Taking the 'shrill note' has been a very successful tactic for the Republicans. On thing to their credit is they have an agenda, even if much of it is kept hidden from their own constituency. Don't kid yourself, Now owning one branch of govt. outright and most of the other two, their right on target, using up most of our energy in going from election to election, trying to find ways to look more like them.

Did we find a way to answer, in realistic and effective terms, their 'tax & spend' charge? No. We just tried to copy them by cutting into the bone of the most vulnerable and exploited. Did we point out that 'social-engineering' is what is done by passing laws that compel social behavior? No, we just looked the other way when a surgeon general said maybe we should study what our anti-sexual polices really do to our children's lives and the adults they become. Did we challenge the obscene exploitation of the working poor. No, we let them call its centerpiece a 'welfare reform bill' and helped them pass it. Again we've capitulated on a so called 'Medicare reform' that paves the way for further "privatization" and dismantling of the health care system under the guize of 'competition'.

Who said that government finance was supposed to resemble the personal finance and checkbook management of your family? In the first place, the government undertakes projects which are meant to last and improve the lives of generations to come. Surpluses are there to respond to emergencies and maintain and update the country's infrastructure. Why do we simply cave into these lethal soundbites that would equate some years of surplus with money that must be immediately given back as a tax-payer rebate, thus completely deflating its power as a lump-sum piece of major capital? Of course the $300 return stimulated the economy temporarily -- the private economy. Imagine, correctly spent, what it might have done for the public economy? Better as a pay down for the national debt; or, as a microwave, beach towel and six-pack from Wall-Mart?. Depends on whether you want to inflate the top of the private economy, or improve an underfunded public economy.

The point is, our party is a half-century behind on having a viable vision or mounting a successful challenge to those for whom 'more' isn't ever enough. When are we going to be paid back for the work our machines do for us?

If you think Republican yelling indicates any real fears of the opposition or that we are about to topple their kingdom, think again. It is a very effective theater-of-pain that they have learned how to milk for all its worth. To the average voter, the perception is that even the most timid liberal proposal that the government can and should act for the public good or common welfare is an indictable treason; an unAmerican act to deliver us into the hands of a marxist state. As long as we have no answer but to look more Republican, the average voter will figure they are correct.

sorry for the sour notes, but that's how it looks to me.


z-axis
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:43 AM
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20. Great post. Welcome to DU!
I agree with much of what you say, but I think the pendulum is swinging back. Enough people are feeling the pain of our so called "market economy" nowadays that they are having second thoughts about the superiority of pure capitalism.
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dreissig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:48 AM
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22. Republican Look Alikes
I think the days of trying to out-Republican the Republicans are over. Personally, I didn't pay much attention to politics until Bush stole the election. (That's the event that brought DU into existence.)

After much soul-searching about who we really are, Democrats have come out roaring. The lead-up to the primaries has been a cleansing experience. The Democrats who want to mimic Republicans haven't done well. I'm not here to promote Dean, but the medical model which is part of his thinking (he is a doctor) is more attuned to problem-solving than say, the architectural model. Doctors can't fall in love with their theories; if a patient isn't responding, the doctor has to change the treatment.

It's a great time to be a Democrat. I think we're going to thrash the Republicans this time around. Bush has tried to keep Americans from seeing themselves in the mirror, but Americans have turned into an ugly people.

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Snappy Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 06:15 AM
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16. Good writing.
I don't say that because I agree with what you wrote.
Oh..wait I do agree with it. :)

The Dems need to get their act together and stop doing the Neocons work. The Dems need to figure out how to deliver a simple effective msg.to Americans about what is happening and how they can change what is happening. This election is going to a down and dirty fight because a lot is at stake for the Dems and Neocons. Notice I never once wrote Repubs. The Admin.is not Repub nor Conservative. The Conservatives and Libertarians know this.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 06:50 AM
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18. The Admin is not Repub nor Conservative.....
Excellent assessment!

:kick:
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 07:22 AM
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19. Tables have turned
I love it when that happens.
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