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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:35 PM
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Dump Davis (at no risk)
Maybe this is old news but you can vote both against recalling Davis and for another candidate, if it's tight in the polls you could not only wind up with a way, way, more progressive candidate but if you don't vote both ways you are effectively endorsing the republican challenger.

Anyone know exactly who else will be on the ballot other than the Republican candidate?
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:37 PM
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1. I'm going to laugh so hard
Because I think one of two things will happen:

1) Davis won't be recalled

2) If Davis is recalled, nothing will improve
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:40 PM
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3. why not try?
I'm looking around, you got the Green candidate and Arianna Huffingtun maybe jumping in anyone who held their nose voting for Davis fearing the republicans should view this as a godsend, they can vote both to keep him and if that vote loses they get to pick his successor, this makes multiple left candidates and participation not only a boon to keeping Davis in office but as a refferendum on policies he should adopt.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:40 PM
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2. So far no Democrats, but rumors are flying around.
There could be some Democrats by Oct. 7.
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Northwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:41 PM
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4. I am really hoping
That Davis is recalled but a more liberal candidate is elected in his palce. That could open up some serious doors for a more diverse left in America.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:46 PM
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7. foolish to enev hope that
all due respect Calif is about as liberal as Davis , very little more.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:42 PM
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5. candidates
there actually may be more than one republican challenger. if my memory holds correctly, anyone with the needed number of signatures can get on the ballot.

the green party has already said they will get a candiate on the ballot.

it is possible for multiple candidates from a party to be on the ballot (ie issa, Schwarzenegger, etc) because there is not enough time to have a primary before the election.

peace
david
:hippie:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:44 PM
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6. I'mnot so sure that will be no risk
the risk is this: certain Dem voters will think that their candidate should be Gov. there are many of us who think Davis should remain. We will then get more people to vote for recall than had planned. dems risk a recall but a divided elctorate. enough dems to carry off the recall,but not enough to win.What makes you think that all dems will vote no on recall and not vote yes and then for their alternative? Who will decide the Dem alternative DIFI has said no. Bustamante should succede ,but has said no. I am not trying to be unreasonable, but who is the Kingmaker here? and once one dem is in what prevents a free for all ?
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:46 PM
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8. it's going to happen one way or another..
you would be a fool not to cast a vote for the Green candidate or whatever other left candidate makes it on the ballot in addition to your no on the recall, it's a free vote.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:51 PM
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9. don't worry I will write in Cruz bustamante
I'M WORRIED ABOUT THOSE WHO THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GET A BETTER DEAL AND VOTE TO RECALL.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:53 PM
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10. the unions by the way
support Gov Davis, by and large .He is our friend and don't forget it.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:53 PM
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11. ah..
yeah, that would be stupid I would highly discourage that unless a shitload of republicans get on the ballot and there is no clear right wing candidate, even then it's risky but right now it would probably be near suicidal.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:02 PM
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12. who then? and who decidws?
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 04:04 PM by mitchtv
isn't now the time to all hang togther and fight like there's no tomorrow? and leave invectives like "dump Davis" to the pukes ? or shall we await the likes of Simple Simon/Mcclintock/Darrel Eyesore?(already running ,shitload enough?)and Riordan/ M Huffington? to take away the 8 her day again ,begin new attacks on gblt people again we've got to shove this recall down their throats and win.That takes unity , any we already have our leader, Gray Davis like it or not.
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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:04 PM
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13. *shrug*
whoever you like I guess, it's just interesting to me that there is a situation where you don't need left unity, there is no spoiler and I think anyone who votes to recall and for another candidate probably never voted for Davis in the first place and probably never would :shrug:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 04:05 PM
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14. Hundreds could be onthis ballot
Seriously. The Sacramento News Station last night reported that about 10 petitions to be on the ballot from Sacramento County have already been picked up, a few more from Yolo County and Stanislaus County. Who know how many will materialize from LA and SF and Alameda.
One woman interviewed was filing as a Repug Candidate. She just hoped that by being on the ballot other candidates would listen to her.
We will be the laughing stock of the country. Maybe we deserve it. THis is such a dumb idea. :crazy:

MzPip
:dem:
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 09:38 PM
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15. wait and see if the pukes win
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 09:41 PM by mitchtv
the first thing they do will be to try to get rid of recall. A new tone ,(now that we're in). Does anyone know how soon a recall can begin on a new Gov. ? I think the amount of signatures depends on the amt of votes cast in the election. Being a special election, the number should be much lower than what they needed for Davis. Will we have time to get the signatures in time for our primary in March?
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-30-03 08:12 PM
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16. The next recall can probably start right away
20. If Davis survives a recall, when could another recall effort be started?

A. If Davis beats the recall, he gets at least a six-month respite before any new recall attempt could start.

21. If Davis is recalled, when could a recall effort start against the new governor?

A. That's unclear. The secretary of state's office is looking into the question.

22. How many signatures would be required for a post-Davis recall? Would it be based on turnout at the recall election?

A. That's also unclear. The number of required signatures is 12 percent of those cast for governor in the most recent statewide election, which would be the recall, with its expected low turnout. However, there are suggestions that the rule actually refers to the most recent regular statewide election, which would be last November's governor's race, which was used to set the recall vote limit. Stay tuned for the lawsuits.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/27/MN55660.DTL
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