AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!! Carl LEVIN BLAMING "the BOWELS OF THE CIA!!!"

[matcom]

on CNN just now.

ok. WHICH OF MY TELEVISON'S IS GOING TO GET SHOT OUT TONIGHT!

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[DisgustipatedinCA]

1. Devil's Advocate

Do you suppose he wants to get the CIA types under oath and see whether or not they implicate the Administration? If so, why take this tack instead of going straight for the Bush jugular? Don't know, I'm just thinking out loud here.

[matcom]

2. even though my father is retired ME INTELLIGENCE EXPERT

for the Agency, i am NO FAN of the CIA

BUT

BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!
BUSH FUCKING LIED!

according to dear old Dad, BUSH f*cking LIED DAMMIT! :argh:

[Cha]

3. Yeah,,,when I read Matcom's caption,,,that's what I thought of...

because we had a long thread on this before and someone pointed out this might be the case and it made logic to me!

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[spanone]

4. Check out this thought. White House blames CIA...

CIA testifies that they delivered them to Cheney. Shows documentation. Hmm......this could get very interesting.

[ShaneGR]

31. exactly

There have been other Presidents who crossed the CIA. They didn't do very well. Rule number one, don't mess with the spooks.

[AlinPA]

5. CBS News just said "bad intelligence"

They did not call it a lie, just that Bush got bad intelligence. Lying bastards.

[RandomKoolzip]

6. Y'know, maybe there actually WAS CIA complicity in doctoring

intelligence. It's not as if the CIA has a spotless reputation in shit like this (understatement.) . It could be that the whistle blowers in the Agency are rogue guys who don't want to take a dive. And hey, if Carl Levin were to go after Bush, it would be labelled as "partisan politics," wrongly, of course, but, you know how a buzz line like that gets picked up by the "liberal" media.

[RandomKoolzip]

9. Oh yeah and....

BUSH LIED! (he did!)

[Terwilliger]

7. get over it

thats my new phrase when it comes to expecting democrats to do what they should do "get over it"

[kainah]

8. Calm down, calm down

;-) Carl Levin is pretty reliable. He's slow and dogged. He doesn't go beyond what he can prove at any given point. Things are bubbling. Bubbling proceeds boiling & I do believe this time it will come to a boil. It's not there today, but Carl isn't going to let the heat be turned off either. For now, he doesn't want to give anyone an excuse to turn off the heat by claiming the other side is going too far.

[librechik]

11. nevertheless

I have noticed Levin blatantly offering the "CIA did it" pass to Bushie on several occasions. Does he think this will cause the misadministration to be more forthcoming, if they have such an easy out? Does he think it makes him look more fair minded and open to bipartisanship? (maybe) Anyway, it is very frustrating and makes me wonder what's going on in back rooms.

[Kahuna]

16. Also, he shouldn't tip his hand to the repukes....

As some DUers keep saying... He wants to go after to CIA to see if he can get them to roll over.

[Az]

10. Levin is no Bush crony

Think Colombo. He is plodding. He is persistant. He is going to cross every t and dot every i and leave that fricking criminal Bush no plaec to run. He has to question the CIA and verify that they are not at fault. By applying pressure to them he may also be able to kick out more info on Shrubco.

[caledesi]

25. Exactly Az. Levin is very methodical.

I say give him time....we will get these bastards.

[madmax]

12. You should have been watching

WABC World News Tonight with Peter Jennings he's grrrreat! :) I find him to be the only network news anchor with any guts. He's a younger version of Walter Cronkite.

[hedda_foil]

14. Damn, Max, I missed Jennings tonight. Could you do a quick recap PLEASE?

My admiration for this man comes close to hero worship in these days of media whoredom.

[JNelson6563]

13. I couldn't be more delighted.

Levin is like a dog with his jaw locked on a victim and he isn't letting go.

He musta mentioned the CIA, bowels of the CIA and similar phrases a million times. The way I see it he just let the CIA know he ain't backing down and they will provide answers. The answers they provide are up to them but, for all those so convinced Levin is a sell-out, I have to ask; do you honestly think the CIA will quietly take the rap for Bush???

I don't. I see an investigation into the "bowels of the CIA" as a wonderful thing that could uncover many piles of Bush-poop.

Julie

P.S. I'll be seeing Sen. Levin on Friday, anyone have questions you'd like me to ask?

[matcom]

15. just one

Mr. Levin:

WHY IN THE BLODDY FUCKING HELL HAVE YOU NOT BROUGHT CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST THIS SQUATTER IN THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE FOR MURDER, TREASON, FRAUD, ARMAGEDDON AND CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS?????????

feel free to re-word my question to suit your needs :D

[JNelson6563]

19. maybe a little injection of

diplomacy? ;-)

I think we both know the answer to that one anyway. It would've been like doing what you suggest to Hitler in Nazi Germany. Impossible.

Thankfully though, the times they are a'changin'....

Julie

[Cha]

21. Thank you, Julie....I have faith in the Senator from Michigan...

Senator Carl Levin!

[ShaneGR]

30. Yes, I have a question

Senator Levin,

What kind of support do you have from your fellow Democrats, or any Republicans, concerning the investigation? While Senator Warner (R-VA) says he won't stand in your way, do you feel there is a possibilty he, or another Republican, could eventually join you in calling for public hearings?

[RandomKoolzip]

18. Yeah, I do.

What makes him think he can get real answers out of the CIA when the Church Committe on Assassinations, the Iran Contra Hearings, and Watergate all couldn't?


Still, I'm glad somebody's got some balls.

[PurityOfEssence]

20. Absolutely! It was a brilliant move.

It shows that he's still giving the administration the benefit of the doubt. This will only amplify the outrage when it's seen to be a lie promulgated by an evil administration willing to destroy the lives of its institutional patriots.

Levin is a truly honorable and decent man and no fool.

Even my Republican Step-Mother from Michigan respects him without question.

The way to destroy this administration is not to destroy the administration, it's to get those who are in the process of being personally destroyed to rebel against them.

HERE'S THE IMPORTANT PART: The administration can dodge and shuffle about national security and plausible deniability, but they can't stall the rooting out of the incompetents or duplicitous. They must, in fact, feign outrage or be seen as liars or enablers of dangerous fools. Thus, the heat will be on the spooks, and they'll come forward to tell that they told Cheney. Tick tick tick.

This is how Fouche brought down Robespierre: convince and organize those others in peril that it is their survival at stake; that'll get the tumbrel rolling...

[caledesi]

27. POE - Very good analysis. n/t

[Jacobin]

29. Admiring your ability to compare Fouche with

Levin........hoping against hope that you are right.....drifting back to reality......NO, ok I'm back with the Fouche thing. OK then.

[caledesi]

26. Levine into the "Bowels" with his Pooper-Scooper! n/t

[Generic Other]

17. When did the CIA advise the WH that Iraq war would be a bad idea?

At the time, DUers even commented on how strange it was that the CIA made any public comments. Not their normal mode of operation.

Now, it seems clear it was meant to cover their butts should Bush try to pull a fast one as he did woth the FBI post 9/11.

Is there an agency left in the government Bush hasn't alienated?

[Az]

22. Said hi to his brother Sander this past weekend

He was marching in the 4th o July parade and I let him know we want Dems with spines. Even managed to catch the attention of one of his advisers and told him to watch for mentions of Diebold and voter fraud (though unsure what effect that will have).

[quilp]

23. Don't underestimate Carl Levins

He may well be blaming the CIA to get a reaction from the CIA.

[Jacobin]

24. I saw that, too, and I am simply aghast at the ability of Dems to

circle the wagons for Smirk.

I don't have cable (on purpose) but was visiting a friend this afternoon and CNN was on while I was waiting to leave.

I could not fucking believe my ears. Could not fucking believe it.

If everyone on this board for nine months has known this Niger thing was a fabrication and a lie, how come poor Carl, in the maw of the governmental beast, can't figure it out.....

Or, perchance, did he vote for the invasion ( I don't remember if he did or not), and now is faced with circling the wagons and giving old Smirk a big bear hug and firing a couple of CIA types to blame them for Cheney's treasonous acts.


Absolutely disgusting from every perspective you can imagine.

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[ShaneGR]

28. Levin is smart, it's a ploy to piss off the CIA!!!

And get them to talk about why it isn't there fault.... thereby implicating Bush.

[enough]

32. Yes, I think that's what he's doing

For a fascinating analysis of who will soon be ratting on whom,
MUST READ:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/070103_beyond_bush_1.html

Mike Rupert's BEYOND BUSH, PART 1

[lanlady]

33. you're right

"Bowels of the CIA" is Condi's phrase. Right after she said that, the CIA types started speaking up in their own defense. I think Levin's trying to call them out.