Gore Vidal says the Founding Fathers would have HUNG Bush!

[ElementaryPenguin]

Gore doesn't pull a single punch in this interview! A MUST READ!

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17442

[opihimoimoi]

1. OMG the truth is shining thru...... will it be in time??

Paper trails for voting is essential for the true voice of the People.

Voting Machines sold to the Gov't made by Pub contributors...?

WTF is THAT?

Very lengthy article but a must read. Do yourself the favor and take the time/effort.

[ElementaryPenguin]

3. Perhaps I'm an optimist - but I believe it will!

ChimpCo is going to be dethroned - Bigtime!

[reprehensor]

2. Recommended Vidal...

Dreaming War: Blood for Oil & the Cheney-Bush Junta

Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace: How We Got to Be So Hated

He don't much care for the Chimpmaster.

[ElementaryPenguin]

4. "Dreaming War" is awesome!

:toast:

[coloradodem2005]

29. I actually read that book.

I also got Michael Moore's Dude, Where's my Country.

[ElementaryPenguin]

32. Just picked up "Dude, Where's My Country?"

Practically salivating thinking about getting to start it - maybe this weekend!

[arcane1]

34. just started "dude" this week

so far so good

Dreaming War blew my mind, I've shared it with many friends at this point

thanks for the article, EP! :toast:

[dudeness]

51. Excellent read..

started and finished in two sessions...Vidal is a national treasure..

[drdigi420]

15. i just ordered both

thanks for the recommend

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. I dunno

Didn't John Adams get away with making the Treason and Sedition act? I don't recall hearing that he was hanged

[La_Serpiente]

10. I thought it was ruled unconstitutional

by the SCOTUS - when John Jay was the Chief Justice. I am not sure though. :shrug:

[ElementaryPenguin]

11. * is a treasoness, murderous, war criminal traitor - the likes and scale

Of which have never been seen in American citizen in the history of this storied republic!!

[maggrwaggr]

6. Wow, glad somebody's finally saying it

Even here I've only suggested it, making references to lamposts and the like.

If the American people had any shame at all ..........

[ElementaryPenguin]

8. Vidal isn't scared of ChimpCo! He's been blasting these shameless

Fascist since day one on their misadministration! Too bad he isn't heard by more people than Sean Insanity!

[Military Brat]

7. There it is, loud and clear, bush** can't win without cheating

This is the message the Dems need to get to the people. Would the freepers trust no paper trail if the shoe were on the other foot? No way!

I like the way Gore Vidal speaks. He knows the facts, he has conviction, he has courage. I'm reading a biography of Ben Franklin, and it's amazing what an influence he had on this country. Without Ben, America would have become something entirely different. Any Democratic nominee would be wise to study him well.

[ElementaryPenguin]

9. Right on, comrad! Bush is friggin unelectable!!!! They'll HAVE to cheat!

:evilgrin:

[auntpattywatty]

12. They WILL cheat - can we cheat better?

[ElementaryPenguin]

13. We'd better learn how in a hurry!

Dean/Clark Clark/Dean and of cource Dennis K. - seem to know how to get just as tough and nasty as the fascist Repukes!

[drdigi420]

16. mebbe we can pool our money and buy out some

of these election machine makers

??

[Lars39]

18. We don't have to cheat, and I wouldn't want to win that way, either.

Just an honest counting of the votes, without harassment of voters at the polling places and roadblocks, and a Democratic candidate WILL be elected.

[ElementaryPenguin]

20. If I have to stop Nazi Germany from happening by cheating - I WILL!!

If these fascist bastards are already counting on completely undermining our democracy - to allow them to keep on attacking and destroying the rest of this planet, than I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit around refering to a rule book than no one is abiding by anymore! I don't like the thought of "cheating" anymore than you do - but when you say something like "I wouldn't want to win that way" - you seem to be implying that we're talking about losing something like a football game here! The stakes are just a little bit higher than that, folks! WWIII - worldwide environmental destruction - these are obviously catastrophes worth avoiding by any means!!!

[Lars39]

25. I still wouldn't want to win by rigging machines.

I want there to be no doubt that Bush* was beaten in a fair election. Pencil and paper work just fine. And yes, I know what the stakes are.

[ElementaryPenguin]

26. I wouldn't want to either. But I would if there was no other way.

And I wholly agree. Pencil and paper work perfectly!

[coloradodem2005]

30. I agree.

The gloves are off and have been off for the last two years.

[Suspicious]

14. Awesome interview....

Thanks for posting the link!

[ElementaryPenguin]

21. You're very welcome!

:evilgrin:

[proud patriot]

17. I wrote to Vidal in early 2001

I begged him to come home . I'm so glad he did .

Welcome back Vidal , Patriots stand with you sir .

[ElementaryPenguin]

22. I was up close to him when he spoke at a rally in L.A.! He was Awesome!

He sounded like one of the Founding Fathers himself when he spoke - and huge crowd got so quiet - you could have heard a pin drop! It brought tears to my eyes then - and even does now as a recall the day!

[proud patriot]

24. Just to shake his hand and thank him

would be such an honor . You are very lucky to
have seen him speak EP very lucky indeed :hi:

[bedtimeforbonzo]

19. Nah

Those slave owning dead white guys would give him a freaking medal.

They talked the talk, then raped and killed anyone who was different from them. Just like Herr Bush.

[ElementaryPenguin]

23. NO AMERICAN has ever been "just like Herr Bush!"

:evilgrin:

[proud patriot]

37. I Disagree 100% n/t

[izzie]

27. Well I liked it but then I think like that.

n/t

[ElementaryPenguin]

28. So do most of us here, I would dare say!

Are numbers growing every day!

[bpilgrim]

31. nother shout out to one of americas FINEST TH

:tinfoil:

:toast:

thanks for sharing :hi:

peace

[underpants]

33. Uh he said "No"

I liked that he actually answered starting with yes or no.

[bpilgrim]

36. "they would have hanged anybody who tried to get this through... Hanged"

"The Founding Fathers would have found this to be despotism in spades. And they would have hanged anybody who tried to get this through the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia. Hanged."

peace

[ElementaryPenguin]

39. Hanged. Thanks for the correction, BP!

:dunce:

[Mari333]

35. Vidal nails it.

He always has.

[donco6]

38. A Deranged President

"Do you not think of Bush and Ashcroft as Americans?


"I think of them as an alien army. They have managed to take over everything, and quite in the open. We have a deranged president. We have despotism. We have no due process."

Holy Cow. This gives a whole new meaning to "pulls no punches."

[ElementaryPenguin]

40. Great little post, donco!

:toast:

[Character Assassin]

41. Sorry, but Vidal didn't say that. And he's wrong, in any case.

The Founding Fathers would have found this to be despotism in spades. And they would have hanged anybody who tried to get this through the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia.

Oh, I see. The whole 'innocent until proven guilty' founding fathers would have strung someone up just for having introduced or suggested such legislation.

Shut up, Gore, your hyperbole grows wearisome.

[ElementaryPenguin]

42. Hmm. Sounding a bit like a BFEE apologist, CA?

Vidal seems to have really struck a nerve with you!!!

:wtf:

[Pegleg Thd]

43. I hope I live long enough to see

Vidal's statement become fact.

[Mari333]

44. amen

amen

[Fridays Child]

47. and amen.

[nightperson]

45. The Plame story "resonates more than Iraq"

is the quote I most agree with, along with "90 percent of Americans don't know where Iraq is and never will know, and don't care". The Bush administration's open war with the "permanent, professional intelligence community" is an issue that everyday people can understand and are interested in because it makes them wonder about their own security. Sad as it may be, we can bomb far-off countries indefinitely and a lot of Americans will not raise an eyebrow as long as there is no "blowback", i.e. high American casualties, increased terror or terror alerts. I was glad to see Vidal point this out. "No blood for oil" was never my favorite slogan, because it seemed to presume the American people would be very disturbed by Arab civilian deaths. Many Americans are pretty bloodthirsty or at least not too big on empathy. I sadly think that, these days at least, in politics you have to always appeal to their immediate self-interest. Sorry, but I didn't make this country or world. Lastly, in this same world-weary vein, I will conclude by asking Vidal fans who may have been a bit tough on Sen. Kerry for his Iraq stance to consider Vidal's words.

[newyawker99]

52. Hi secondtermdenier!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[nightperson]

53. Thanks,

I don't have much time to spend at this site, and I'm obviously getting a late start at pitching/defending Kerry here, so I'll try to use my posts wisely. From reading older threads, I'm pretty sure folks here will let me know if they disagree with my info :tinfoilhat: or my tone :nuke: B-) .

[Generic Other]

46. Vidal is wrong, they wouldn't have hanged Bush

because he would have fled to Canada before the Revolution ended. He would have stolen as much money as he could carry, destroyed what he couldn't take, and funded the Brits in the War of 1812.

Oh, and Kennebunkport would be in Canada.

[Seeker30]

50. Nah, he wouldnt have fled to Canada

They would have found him hiding in a hole in the ground crying 'I am Bush, the president of the United States'.

[durutti]

48. I'm reading Vidal's The American Presidency now.

It's quite good.

[neebob]

49. Oh, I don't know

I think some of the founding fathers would be all amazed at how much money there is to be made and want in on some of Bush's action. Which is not to say I'm not thrilled to hear famous people saying he's a criminal.

[formactv]

54. HANGED!