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ringmastery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:02 PM
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Do you have repukes or racists in your family?
My aunt is one. She hates blacks. She keeps talking about her theories about blacks and social darwinism, blah blah blah.

It drives me nuts. I try not to discuss politics with my family. Life is much simpler that way.

And it's not just a southern thing. She's from Boston.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:06 PM
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1. My first cousin
has a mixed race grandson whom she will not claim. I haven't seen her in almost two years and do not expect to anytime soon.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:07 PM
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2. At one time
my brother was a card carrying member of the KKK. He also had a huge Nazi flag on his dining room wall. He's a real asshole.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:15 PM
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8. poor you
that must be terrible...with the kkk brother...my mom is terribly homophobic
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:19 PM
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13. LOL! I was raised listening to german marching songs.. WAGNER
reigned supreme in my house.

I still know all the phonetic words. They'll come in handy with this here bush regime!
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:51 PM
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25. I didn't even know that Wagner was a nazi-lover until lately...
I'm an opera-lover. Luckily, I don't like Wagner that much...
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:09 PM
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29. Wagner died in 1883
Wagner died in 1883 so I doubt he had much of an opinion about the Nazis. He was, however, VERY anti-semitic.

http://cghs.dade.k12.fl.us/holocaust/wagner.htm
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:22 PM
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32. And Hitler liked Wagner. And the Wagner family adored
Hitler. They supported him, and after that terror ended, they did not get punished. This is why until now, many Jews do not want to listen to Wagner music.
I don´t like Wagner, too. I prefer Beethoven and Mozart.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:29 PM
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58. Yikes
Got a sort of funny story for you. A few years ago, marked some anniversary for the KKK. They decided have a parade in the town (which I can't recall at the moment) in Tennesee where the KKK was founded to mark the anniversary date. However, the entire town shut down in protest and the members of the KKK found themselves holding a parade in a deserted town in the hottest part of the summer with nowhere to use the restroom or get a drink.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:49 PM
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72. Good for the town!
It proves not everyone has lost their mind.

My brother once asked me when I was going to have children for the "Fatherland."
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:08 PM
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3. My mom's brother from KY
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 12:09 PM by beyurslf
is the most racist person I have ever met I think. He talks about chasing blacks out of their town and how he would disown own of his family for being friends with blacks.

When he found out I was gay, he told my mom it was better for me to be gay than dating a black girl. He'd die if he knew my ex was a black man.

Needless to say, we don't see him often.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:08 PM
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82. That's one of the best signature lines, I've ever seen!
"When he found out I was gay, he told my mom it was better for me to be gay than dating a black girl. He'd die if he knew my ex was a black man."

The nobel price for being a wonderfull human being is yours. Whenever I'm about to loose my belief in humanity, I try to remember it.

Hello from Germany to beyurslf,
Dirk
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:09 PM
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4. I'm sure some repugs in there but not racist and mostly apolitical
I'm probably the most political one in my family although I have heard through the grapevine that one of my cousins is a die-hard democrat.

My family really stays away from talking about politics. My parents and brother lean democrat but none of them are really super involved.

I have a few uncles who are conservative seeming so I'm assuming they are republicans.

Don't know of any racists in my family. Everyone even the more conservative ones are by and large not racist at all.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:09 PM
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5. something I've noticed
is that those of us on the left frequently try not to bring up politics at family gatherings.

But the right-wingers know no such bounds. It's as though they lack the awareness to realize how inflammatory their statements are.

I heard so much while I was visiting family in northern Ohio about how LeBron James is an okay guy because, even though he's black, he doesn't act like a "n****r". I hear this from all sorts of people, and it's like, do you even *know* how offensive that word is?

I'm not sure they do.
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:33 PM
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20. I noticed this, too. But...
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 12:35 PM by OldEurope
... it´s very difficult to argue with a whole bunch of persons, when you´re the only one who is concerned with racism or politics or so. And the younger you are, the more difficult it is to find the right words.
I normally meet most members of the family at an opportunity like marriages, birthdays or burials. This is normally not the place or the time to discuss politics.


edited for not being a native speaker
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:35 PM
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39. That is because Democrats are polite and respect other people's opinions
even if they are repulsive...

However I am one of those Democrats who actually lures repukes into fights and then tears them to shreds...I so offended my one cousin that he left his parents house rather than deal with me... I was smiling like a chesire cat...but my aunt and uncle were on my side!
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:47 PM
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43. yeah, that´s it: you were not alone.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 01:49 PM by OldEurope
But refusing them when you´re the only one...is a different thing. When we celebrated my mother´s 75th birthday, my sister and I prefered to bite our toungs instead of ruining the party. Most of those people I´ll never meet again in my whole life, exept perhaps when mother is dying and they are still alive. Why should I have spoiled my mothers birthday?
An other thing is at work, where I never loose any chance to discuss with my boss or coworkers.

edit for wrong spelling
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no_arbusto Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:26 PM
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77. Afterall, LeBron does drive a Hummer.
I know what you mean about not bringing politics up at family gatherings. I always keep my mouth shut but I knew it was going to happen this Christmas and, of course, it did. It took my girlfriend's uncle (decked out in his classy "I see dumb people" T-Shirt) about 2 seconds to break into his routine of "So they caught Saddam. Are you still against the war? Maybe Bush knows more than you think huh?" I just smiled and nodded my head. He's a very short man.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:37 PM
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79. Yes, but I've decided to answer them if they make statements
that are wrong, uninformed, only part of the truth, etc.

I just won't shut up if they get going. My aunt asked me to keep peace at the table and I told her to tell the others to be quiet and then I would. I told her I will not let anyone think they can bully people into letting them do and say what they want.

She sighed, but I noticed tht people didn't talk about that stuff when I was around. Of course, I don't see them very often and they may not have known that I won't take that shit anymore.

If I'm feeling particularly warm and generous I'll say things like "Where on earth did you get such bizarre opinion?" If I'm not feeling that way I'll say "That's an out-and-out lie. Why would you say that?"
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:11 PM
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6. My uncle...
He referred to a Black boxer as a "nigger" (and used it in a derogatory sense...as opposed to a habitual Byrd-Hollings sense). My libertarian step-dad had to do everything in his power to not give a him a shot to the face.

My grandpa complained there were too many Blacks in baseball, but I know he supported integration when he was younger, and he did chastise the Swedes a few years ago for embarrassing Japan's hockey team at the 1992 World Juniors. (When they ran up the score and beat the Japanese 20 - 1. He's hated Forsberg -- who played selfishly and showed off the entire game to acquire 12 points -- ever since.)
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wingnut Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:13 PM
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53. "nigger" in the habitual Byrd-Hollings sense
So you think Byrd doesn't mean that in a derogatory way?

I'm sure he only burned crosses to stay warm, too.

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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:13 PM
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7. A few
the ones I ignore. (and who ignore me). My cousin is one, he lives on disability, makes money on the side selling Hot Wheels to collectors :eyes: and bitches about how (n-word) are lazy and live on the dole. Gee dude, you held one real job for about a month then got run over by a forklift! Hardly a work history to brag about. Then he bitches about how (the N-word) all screw around and have too many kids. Of course he's the one who got married only after he knocked up his (barely) 18 yo girl friend (he was only a year older) and I've lost count of his kids.. SIGH, rant over.
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:16 PM
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9. I partially blame Evander Holyfield and George Foreman...
Yes I know, it's ignorant for some people have those kinds of stereotypes, regardless of the reason, but they'd be less common if those 2 didn't go around knocking up every woman in sight. (Holyfield has 9 kids and Foreman has 10.)
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:21 PM
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16. What does having a lot of kids have to do with being republican or
racist or the so-called reasons for such actions?

How is that behavior wrong or to be judged?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:47 PM
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42. a lot of those god-loving mormons who have multiple wives
and kids are walking around... but I guess since they are white you are ignoring their behavior????

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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:03 PM
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48. Actually...
My nickname for Mormons is "Mor(m)ons"...

The LDS Church was a White supremacist organisation till 1978.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:40 PM
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64. Their influence is telling in that ridiculous statement.
Whether you think so or not, you're an apple that hasn't fallen too far from the family tree.
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:17 PM
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10. My family is full of
right wing, George Bush loving, Iraq had everything to do with 9/11 kind of republicans. When my Father was alive, the room would clear when he and I would discuss politics because we were so different and so f***ing opinionated. Now my Mother will occassionally drop a little tidbit on the table to get me going and try and get me and her new husband to have the same bareknuckle fight (Won't work!! different relationship)
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:18 PM
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11. My mother, my father, my brother, a few aunts, some uncles, most
of my cousins?

I think they count.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:18 PM
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12. I have a great Aunt and Uncle
that gave me a ride once and all she could talk about was how "those damn liberals" were destroying America. I also have two uncles who are on the conservative side. One of them doesn't like anything other than white people.

I am lucky though, because I haven't see any of them this Holiday season. I visited my grandparents and both of them can't stand the repugs. We would get along really well if it wasn't for the fact that they have problems with the fact that I'm gay. They don't like to talk or think about it it seems.

:shrug:
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:21 PM
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14. Yes both "closet racists" and those who are racist and don't really care
who knows it and repubs. When I became a parent things got really dicey for a while because we made it clear that their spewing wasn't gonna happen around the child (now children).

My current 8th grader had the honor of marching with the high school band while in the 7th grade and 3 of his grandparents, 3 uncles and aunts haven't watched him march for 2 yrs. now because he's the minority race in the school he attends. They won't attend functions at the elementary school (2 kids) for the same reason, and some of them didn't speak to us for a few months when we made the decision to place the kids in these schools.

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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:21 PM
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15. My parents
although my father, who is much worse, is under orders from my mother to never talk politics with me.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:23 PM
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17. One of my cousins is married to a racist Wisconsin Dept. of Corrections
officer, a supervisor.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:23 PM
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18. Most of my family are repukes....
I can barely talk to them anymore. Its too easy for the converstion to turn ugly, especially with my mom. Even my sister, who used to be a democrat, has turned to the dark side out of fear. They are not the kind of folks you would call racist, would never dream of using the "N" word etc., but IMO they are racist by default because of the moran policies they support. Sad!
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:42 PM
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22. Lincoln Chafee is racist?
News to me.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:06 PM
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28. Huh?
??????
:shrug:
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:05 PM
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49. Lincoln Chafee is a liberal Republican senator...
I think he even got 100% from the ACLU a couple of times. No Senator in either party (except Lieberbush, but that was because he only voted on one ACLU vote) did that well this year though. :(

Are you calling that guy racist by association? :-P
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:32 PM
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59. I know who he is....
If I'm not mistaken he voted against the Iraq War Resolution. In my opinion, it is racism and downright arrogance that allows anyone to support the Iraq war, or any other plans for empire that ChimpCo Inc. might have planned. 3,700 lives lost in the WTC attacks have "changed the world", while 10,000 or more innocent Iraqi citizens are collateral damage? I don't buy it!
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Strapping Buck Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:31 PM
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19. Yes. Both of my parents and my uncles...
hate white people they don't even know. They also make crude comments about the large Vietnamese population in our city.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:42 PM
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65. Awww, that's as creative as you can get?!
Though your screen name may be lost on many, some of us get it.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:02 PM
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81. BUSTED!
;-)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:40 PM
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21. Muwahahaha!
Yet, when they are pushed to become tolerant, they come through. When my father married a Catholic from South America, they changed their opinion. When one of my cousins came out of the closet and announced he was gay, they accepted it. The latest generation is very tolerant and mixed both ethnically and in religion. So if my family could do it, I think anyone's family can.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:26 PM
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33. you hit the nail on the head! when confronted with real people
they are accepting...
my brother is gay.
my cousin married an african american.
another cousin is gay and married to his partner and his 80 year old mother walked...(well he wheeled her) down the aisle with him!
many of my cousins married jews or protestants (considered an outrage at the time)..
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:49 PM
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23. Yup. Almost everyone on both sides of the family (and in-laws)....
There's only a few who have ever voted for a Democrat (me being one, of course). Most are "covertly" racist although I've heard the "N" word a few times. When that word is used, I go ballistic - so they all know better than to use it around me....
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:50 PM
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24. Not currently.
My family has been pared down to 3 other people, plus a 3-year-old grandchild I'm allowed to see now and then. The way the grandchild is being raised, I don't doubt some issues later on in life. But for now, my 3 family members include a Clinton democrat, a fierce, leftist independent, and an anarchist.

In the past, I had family members that were republicans. And racist. And sexist. Some have died, some have gone the way of divorce.
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thebaghwan Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:57 PM
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26. My family is Bush lovin repukes, racists and homophobes
My dad was raised in KCMO and always talked about not letting the sun set on n*****s in Swope Park. I recall seeing the KKK march in a parade as a child. My dad loves Bush. Within the last two weeks I have discovered my brother and his wife have been listening to RUSH and attending a fundie church. My brother is a racists and a homophobe. Luckily, I was raised by my Democratic godparents and my godfather was an activist doctor who treated alcoholics and was a recovered alcoholic himself. I have been to more AA meetings as a child than you can count.

It was from my godfather than I learned it was good to care about people and to give of yourself.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 12:58 PM
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27. Yes
both sets of grandparents , one set is rich and repuke
but socially liberal on the environment and animals rights .

the other set are crispies and racists homophobes.
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Bush loves Jiang Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:08 PM
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50. Your grandpa's Michael Savage?
Ummm...okay... :-P
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:14 PM
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30. One
Just one that is fairly vocal and starts shit.

I used to be the minority in the family, just me and my uncle (and namesake). Now we are pretty much the majority.
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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:15 PM
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31. My mom's family
Is definitely Republican. My mom changed to Dem though when she started paying attention to politics (after getting married to my dad). I talk politics with my maternal grandmother all the time, and I admit I was once conservative myself (voted for Dole in my first presidential election.) Now that I've reached the age of reason, I shock my grandmother with how much of a "radical leftist" I've become.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:26 PM
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34. My "Nukeyerler" family are Dems
But when I visit my folks they warn me not to say anything political around the rest of the family because they're all Clinton-hating Repubs. I respond that I will not fire the first shot but will return fire.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:26 PM
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35. My family -
My entire family are Democrats on both sides, yet, the religious ones are the racists. My father's side of the family were either atheists or only mildly religious (one of my father's brothers was religious and one of his son's was a missionary in Africa for many years) and I never heard one of them disparage anyone of another race. My mother's side of the family (but not my mother) are the religious ones, and fundamentalists at that (some went to Bob Jones U). They are all racists to some extent.

A little true story: My white cousin, who is what I'd call mildly racist, had, as her best friend growing up, a black girl. They were inseparable, until the black girl broke it off at the age of 12 or so. Her family, I guess also racist, didn't like the relationship. My cousin was heartbroken over that for a while.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:28 PM
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36. My uncle is the world's biggest bigot..
but he is embarrassed by his daughter's husband who is a card carrying member of the KKK and American Nazi party...go figure...
I guess he likes his racisim more hidden....

I recall one Christmas Eve when he told everyone present that Hitler should have been allowed to "finish the job"... I stood up and just tore him a new *sshole... I was so disgusted by his statement! I then closed with a statement about how we were celebrating Christmas Eve and the baby Jesus was a Jew and he should be ashamed of himself...

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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:48 PM
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45. How can you even spend more than 5 minutes with
these people?!?!
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:15 PM
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55. Oh I don't spend much time with him...
plus I am lucky that his genes aren't in our family's pool...he married my aunt

I only see him at big family events and his daughter moved away to some compound in Northern California where she and Hitler Jr. live...
What is sick is that she had won a lot of money in a lottery and pissed it all away at some compound in Montana where Adolph and she had moved...when the money ran out...they moved to CA...where they collect a govt check and rely on handouts from her brother who I detest but never see thank god!... kinda bizarre ain't it??
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:16 PM
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56. "kinda bizarre ain't it ?" -- You can say that again!
eom
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hobbes159 Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:29 PM
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37. I'd say that my grandmother was pretty racist...
...based on lots of racial slurs and remarks -- but then again, she never had much good to say about anyone. I kinda thing she was more of a racist in the sense of hating the whole human race..... :-)
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:31 PM
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38. My Dad still uses the "N" word...
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:02 PM
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75. The elders in the family
Still say "colored people." Don't think they really mean it in a negative way, that's the term they used for years, and never really kept up with the times.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:36 PM
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40. I like to think of my right-wing family
as VICTIMS of Conservative propaganda.

It's not all that effective an attitude once they start up, a situation I have no doubt most of you are familiar with.

But it does take the edge off a little.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:43 PM
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41. "repukes or racists " aren't they one and the same

Just one big orgy of hate hiding behind the nearest bible.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:47 PM
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44. I think my grandpa's just, well...
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 01:48 PM by breezygirl
I don't know the owrd for him. He strongly dislikes Bush, but a few month ago, I told him how I was going to Mexico in June.

"Oh, one of the nurses in David's home is a Mexican," he says. My uncle David is mentally retarded and lives in a home on weekdays. "But she's still real nice," he added.:eyes:

So I'm really not sure. There sould be worse grandpa's though.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:53 PM
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46. my grandfather
I'm in New England, and when he was alive, my grandfather referred to black people as "colored folks", but I am pretty sure he was an old school Catholic Democrat, and he'd even say things like, "that King fellow did a lot of good for the colored folks." (As in Dr. Martin Luther...)
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 01:59 PM
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47. I'm from MN
My grandpa calls them negroes, but I think maybe my grandpa has realized that what he was taught as a child (ie, all "colored folk" are evil) is not true.
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:13 PM
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54. It seems difficult to handle that languge.
Edited on Tue Dec-30-03 02:18 PM by OldEurope
Everyone seems to accept, that negro is not correct, and sure nigger is a terrible thing to say.
But sometimes there is something like an inflation of political correct expressions. So please, you not caucasians friends, is there any word to be used?
We here in Germany have terrible experiences with using a word to express racism. But we have learned that racism is a ridiculous thing. ( or I hope so...)
On the other side, you sometimes have to describe a person. So what words can be used for this without offense?
ON EDIT: NOT RACISM IS RIDICULOUS; it´s the persons who think that "race" is something important. Sorry.
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Breezy du Nord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:21 PM
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57. Meanings are more important than words
Negro doesn't really strike me as offensive, just dated. But than, my frandpa is 74, he is dated.
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OldEurope Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 03:19 PM
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63. it is really a very difficult thing for me , as I´ve nether been
in America.
Seems to me that any decade has its own words of offence and of political correctness. So it`s difficult to find out what´s right and what`s wrong.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:22 PM
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84. The word "Neger" in Germany
has a different history and context. Kommst Du aus Biebertal? (population 200 :-)) In diesem Fall is das Wort keine Beleidegung. Aber wenn Du mehr Erfahrung mit andere Leute hast, pass auf. Emfindlichkeit, Bewußtsein... Die Amis in America kann das nicht verstehen oder antworten. Sie haben ANDERE PROBLEME. ;-)
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:08 PM
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51. Well, my dad (b. 1911) often said "colored"
but that was the accepted word when he was a boy, and "black" was considered insulting. Before he passed away, he would routinely cycle through "color..er..bla..african-american." Seems like we should cut old folks some slack on this.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:58 PM
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62. My grandma called blacks "Pickaninnies"
People from that time were raised with different ideas
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lotteandollie Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:47 PM
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67. Agreed, my Dad struggles with that as well.
Colored was the "proper" word when he was growing up. Negro, then Black for my generation.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:14 PM
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70. Bloom County
I remember a really funny Bloom County where a PC Steve Dallas tried to explain to his mother that "colored people" was wrong and "people of color" was right. :)
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:10 PM
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52. No but I do have Republicans in my family - honorable people who..
..happen to disagree with me on some points of policy, and agree with me strongly on others. And I respect their opinions, and appreciate the fact that the are always willing to discuss ideas.

I get so sick and tired of this bullshit attitude that polarizes things between those on "our side" and evil bastards on "their side." Not every member of the Republican party is a bad person. I'll concede that I think the republican party has undergone a lot of big changes lately that will definitely alienate some of the better conservatives from the party in the long run. And there's no denying that my Republican family members feel pretty alienated from politics right now. But still, they hold many conservative viewpoints, and I understand many of their arguments, which frankly are reasonable - I just happen to disagree. There's nothing wrong with that. Disagreement is good. I don't want everyone to march in lockstep with me. I just want them to be open to discussion and thinking, which my family is.

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lotteandollie Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:48 PM
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68. Well said.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:54 PM
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60. I got both!!!
My brother is a SERIOUS racist. The rest of my family is also, to some extent.

The only Dems in the crew are me and my Dad (a recent convert against the Bush Gang).

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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 02:56 PM
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61. Repug Senator in my family
Racist as hell he is
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 04:10 PM
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66. Repuke brother MARRIED to a black girl
how's that? ;) They love each other...She is a dem so they stay away from political discusssions though.
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:07 PM
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69. The in laws
All from small town upstate NY, mostly repuke. But even the Dems among them use the n-word far too liberally.

How my liberal husband and his liberal brother came out of that hellhole, I have no idea. Perhaps because they actually left their small town and went to college?

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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:18 PM
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71. Yeah, unfortunately...
My older sister and my parents. We don't talk much anymore.

My older sister once got upset because my younger sister was pregnant by an African American. She said my younger sister couldn't bring the baby to their house, because it would be too hard to explain to their own (completely white) children.

My dad was here a year ago and said Daschle and all those liberals should be shot. He looked like he ate a lemon when I said I was one of those liberals. We haven't' heard from them since then.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 05:52 PM
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73. only the married ins are nut cases
My family on both sides sang on the side of the angels.
My cousin was a freedom rider, my uncle worked for the
Justice Department on civil rights, my family stood up
for unions and workers and women and minorities forever.
They never forgot the crap of the depression or being
immigrants.

My mom once slapped a man's face in public for using the
n word in front of my justice department uncle. Its one
of the more famous stories in my family.

My grandpa used to say the n word when talking about
blacks because he was born in 1885 and came from that
generation but one of his best friends was a black man.
He wasn't a bigot. He just had that old time vocabulary.
I remember segregation and all and when the n word was
heard EVERYWHERE. When black kids began to use it in
music, etc, it revived it. It was dying and they revived
it. Damn. I hated that. :)

My uncle sends me bush stuff and racist stuff about
arabs. He's a pinheaded dimwit.

My brothers are coming around about repugs because of
the draft and the economy. I have two signs in my windows
at home: Bush = Draft and War, Clark = Peace and Prosperity.
Clark for President, 2004 IMPEACH BUSH NOW! In the past
I would have had a brawl with them over that but now they
don't say a word.

Sometimes it takes your own ox getting gored to grow up.
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 06:50 PM
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74. Blathering, slavering, repuke, racist, & fundified
The last time I was at my mother's house, I saw The Real Anita Hill, Dereliction of Duty, & The Scarlet Lady: Confessions of a Successful Abortionist on display, along with the usual ravings from Pat Robertson/Norman Vincent Peale/Billy Graham, et al. It was some months ago, so I can't remember how my mother segued into it (especially since I'm ultra-careful to speak only of bland unimportant things around her, lest it give her another opening to spout RNC talking points), but she said, "The blacks & the sp*cs are having lots of babies--guess who's going to be running this country!?!".

The last time my mother & her husband went on vacation, I kept an eye on their cat for them & collected their mail, which included two issues of Human Events, numerous communications from Pat Robertson's ACLJ, a large envelope from Oliver North's Freedom Alliance, & some other things I can't now recall.

The last time I visited my family at xmas, one of my sisters gave me a music box that played Greensleeves--it even gave the name of the song on the outside of the box in which it came. I sang the first verse as the music played, & she burst out with, "That's a christmas song! Why are you making up different words for it!?!":eyes:This same sister once told me that while listening to Clinton make a speech, in which he said the words "our children", she turned to her eleven-year-old son & told him, "He's not your father".:crazy:

My oldest sister's mini-van is plastered with anti-choice bumperstickers, yet her thirteen year old daughter, who suffers from an unspecified (to me, anyway) behavioral problem or mental illness, is only allowed to come home on the holidays. She spends the rest of her time in what I can only describe as a Lutheran boot camp, where she has lived for over two years. To be fair, I believe she is much happier there than she would be at home with my sister & her husband.

I'll stop here, but I could go on & on.:evilgrin:
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:07 PM
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76. Sister, a couple of in-laws and their offspring.
My nephew, who is all of 16, attends a Baptist church with his family. When I told him I did not vote for Bush, nor would I ever, he seemed incredulous. When he asked why, I told him one reason was I didn't want my nephews going to war. Oh. Didn't have anything to say after that. He will be most likely be drafted in a couple of years, hopefully he'll come to his senses once he realizes what's coming.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:31 PM
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78. yeah...
... my parents are racists, especially my dad. Not really a "hating" racist, just someone who likes to have a class of people to look down on.

I was raised with subtle racist messages, but by the time I'd been out of the house a couple years I was past that.

I'm sure my parents raised an eyebrow when I married a woman with an adopted black son. But they are very careful to treat him respectfully, and that's all I can really hope for. People in their 80's just don't change much IMHO.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:50 PM
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80. No racists, but
every other person in my family is a republican.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:17 PM
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83. I'm in the same boat.
My family disowned me because I fell in love with a black woman.

Before my mother passed away, we went to see her, and my family still made it clear we were not welcome, they kept hitting us with bible verses.

I walked on the main street of my hometown with my girl, time and again we were accosted. People rolled down their windows and yelled the N word a lot.

When my father died, I refused to go back for a second helping.

BTW--This took place in Pennsylvania



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PSR40004 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:24 PM
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85. In Kentucky I know way more Racist Dems
Cause there's so many more of them :) I've really heard some things at work that would make you wonder...
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 08:36 PM
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86. My late, lifetime democrat grandfather was a terrible racist.
He was South Boston Irish and hated blacks, Jews, Puerto Ricans and Italians(my dad married an italian, my mom), which was kind of confusing because he also HATED republicans. He would always tell me that any working man that votes for a repub is either stupid or bought and paid for. And that repubs dont give a shit about 99% of americans.
The man was an enigma.
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