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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:53 AM
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Hot Dog! Something I'm not eating after reading this! Mad Cow Disease!
US Violates WHO Guidelines
For Mad Cow Disease
A Comparison of North American and European Safeguards
By Michael Greger, M.D.
For the Organic Consumers Association
Updated July 15, 2003
12-26-03

http://www.organicconsumers.org/madcow/GregerBSE

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Although food containing mechanically separated beef must be labeled as such, there are no labels on food in restaurants.<103> So people could be exposed to spinal cord tissue in hot dogs, sausages, hamburgers, and ground meat products when dining out.<104> Although Europe heeded the World Health Organization's warnings and banned such meat recovery systems years ago, these devices remain one of the best opportunities for prion-infected tissues to enter the human food supply in North America.<105> In 1994, meat processors began using a new technology, called advanced meat recovery (AMR), to help "increase yields and profitability."<106> These systems also extrude meat from the remains of the carcass under pressure, but without crushing the bones.<107> The American Meat Institute describes the process: "Just as fruit processors use machines to remove fruit from peels thoroughly and efficiently, meat companies use similar equipment to remove meat from some hard to trim bones."<108>

The end-product varies from a ground beef-like texture to the consistency of thick tomato sauce.<109> Prior to 1994, only cattle skeletal muscle, tongue, diaphragm, heart, and esophagus could be labeled as beef.<110> But by the end of that year, the USDA had already amended the definition of "meat" to include the product of advanced meat recovery machinery.<111> This meant that unlike mechanically separated meat, AMR meat was considered 100% beef and could be labeled as such.<112> With no special labeling requirements, adoption of AMR machinery spread rapidly throughout the industry, largely replacing mechanical separation equipment.<113>
Today, the majority of cattle are now processed using AMR.<114> Over twenty thousand tons of AMR beef is produced every year in the U.S., valued at over $100 million.<115> AMR beef typically ends up as a hidden ingredient in hamburgers, hot dogs, sausages, and beef jerky, as well as part of ground beef in meatballs, pizza toppings and taco fillings.<116> The danger, once again, is that if the spinal cord isn't removed before entering one of these machines, it is bound to be incorporated into the meat that is produced.<117>
Companies are supposed to remove the animals' brains and spinal cords before processing the carcasses through the AMR machinery, but getting out all of the spinal cord can be challenging. "It requires special tools and skills," says Glenn Schmidt, a meat scientist at Colorado State University. "The workers have to reach down to the neck region of the carcass to remove the spinal cord by scraping or suction, and sometimes they don't get all of it."<118>
In 1997, the consumer advocacy organization Public Citizen obtained USDA inspection records through the Freedom of Information Act showing that a significant percentage of AMR samples were turning up contaminated with central nervous system (CNS) tissue (brain or spinal cord).<119> Instead of simply requiring that spinal columns be removed from carcasses before being placed in advanced meat recovery systems, the USDA responded by merely directing its inspectors to continue testing samples of AMR meat for the presence of central nervous tissue.<120>

Despite their promise to initiate testing, the USDA took fewer than 60 samples over the next 3 years, yet still found spinal cord in a number of them.<121> The first major study of AMR meat was published in 2001.<122> Colorado State University researchers found that "well over 50%" of the samples of AMR beef from neck bones were contaminated with CNS tissue.<122> Then they went to 7 major suppliers of large fast food chains across the country to sample hamburger patties. Six out of seven suppliers had detectable CNS tissue in their burgers.<123>

The USDA again responded only with promises to do more testing.<124> The results of the USDA's tests were made public in 2002.<125> Eighty- eight percent of the meat processors (30 out of 34) were producing AMR beef which contained unacceptable nervous tissue, and almost all of the samples (96.5%) contained bone marrow,<126> which may also be infectious.<127>

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I'm joining the Vegetarian Party!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:01 AM
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1. Can you put a warning on that post?
I could only read a few lines before I started feeling sick.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:09 AM
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2. Oh gads.
Leave room in the Veggie Party for me, please.
I think this may do the trick...finally.

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wanderingbear Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:09 AM
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3. That would be the Green Party
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:13 AM
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4. Then I'm starting the Vegetarian Wing of the Democratic Party!
Who's in?

Plus George W. has been eating this stuff all along! That explains everything -- he's got MAD PRESIDENT'S DISEASE!

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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:23 AM
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6. no thanks....sounds too much like a Dean commercial
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 07:12 AM
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12. I'm in since I'm already a vegetarian.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:51 AM
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15. No. "Mad Cowboy Disease"
Prions, alchohol, and cocaine alkaloids all running around in his brain....
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:17 AM
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5. There is a soy products like "Smart Dogs" you can eat instead. nt
nt
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:09 AM
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7. Neato...
It's pretty hard to keep any of the brain and spinal cord out of even 'meat' that isn't AMR categorized due to the killing method...

The 'bolt' that crashes into their heads spreads the stuff all over the carcess...in high production, they rarely, if ever, clean the equipment or sterilze the carcess...so the meat becomes infected anyhow...and infected by many many animals

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mouse7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:16 AM
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8. What about eating kosher meat?
That thought just occured to me. Wouldn't meat made according to kosher methods be safer?
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:43 AM
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21. yes it is safer
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:20 PM
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31. Omaha Steaks
I bought some of their products a few years ago and it was all irradiated albeit Kosher. After I realized this, I never bought anymore of their products! :puke:

:dem: :kick:
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The Undertaker Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:24 AM
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9. I think...
that we're worrying too much about this "Mad Cow" disease. I don't eat contaminated meat like hot dogs anyways.

Fuck veggies. I'm still gonna eat my meat!
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:28 AM
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10. Oh god dude!
I just had tacos tonight! I'm either going on vegetarian or being more strict about my kosher diet.
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The Undertaker Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 02:34 AM
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11. How do we know...
if this isn't just another Bush scare tactic towards the American People? The "Orange Alert" thing was just a scare tactic. I believe this is just that, too.
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:48 AM
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24. Except for the $Billions lost for his Beef Buddies
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 07:19 AM
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13. come, we eat soy....
there are so many meat alternatives out today that taste GREAT! It is a shame more people don't turn thier backs on meat for the good of themselves and the earth.....
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:44 AM
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14. Agreed. My family turned vegetarian 10 years ago.
Just the sight of meat turns my stomach now. The only thing I've have difficulty giving up is cheese. However, the news that bovine blood is added to many cheese products, ends my problem. YUK!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:53 AM
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16. Cow blood in Cheez? Yuk!
Gotta a cite? I'm swearing off Murkan Cheez.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:33 AM
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19. I'll have to look around. My daughter told me this years ago and I pooh
poohed it. I've definitely heard on CNN and MSNBC that calves are at risk for the disease cause they are fed a formula of milk and cow blood.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:39 AM
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20. soy is very harmful to the earth
If we eat soy, we do so for selfish personal reasons. We need to be very clear on that.

It is extremely harmful to the earth.

Have you ever stood where soy is grown? It is "agricultural desert" -- dead to wildlife for thousands upon thousands of acres.

Some of the best bird habitat is in cattle country. This week a rare Scott's Oriole was discovered on Rockefeller Beach in west Louisiana, a cattle-grazing area. I have stood on cattle ranches in Idaho and seen nest after nest of eagles and hawks. I have never seen that where soy is raised and never will because soy farms are sterile.

Soy raising country is dead country. We need to be very honest with ourselves about what raising soy does to wild birds, wild butterflies, and wildflowers. It threatens many butterflies and wildflowers with extinction.

And we all know that buying soy is supporting Monsanto and their questionable practices.

Soy does not play nicely with others. If we move to a soy-based diet, we are dooming many species to extinction in a few year's time.


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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:50 AM
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25. I only buy Certified Organic Soy
No Monsanto Allowed
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:51 AM
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26. you are refering to GM soy.....
Edited on Sat Dec-27-03 11:52 AM by leftchick
Monsanto has the GM "roundup ready" soy, sounds yummy doesn't it? I only buy organic food including soy. No GMOs for me!
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PSR40004 Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:53 AM
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17. Avoiding MC is easy...
If you don't see it as beef don't eat it, if it's from muscle you can't get it but if it's been ground and pulverized beyond being able to identify it you're at risk as who knows whats in there....



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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:31 AM
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18. I think you're confusing BSE with e. coli.
n/t
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:46 AM
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22. no the poster might be correct
There are differing reports. Some say that only ground beef products present a risk; others say maybe the prions could get into all beef products.

We can look at what happened in Britain and see after all the shouting was over that less than 200 people have developed mad cow.
This seems to suggest that the disease is not very easily spread. If you think back to the 1980s when the first teens died of the disease, it was thought that millions of people who consumed the new (at that time to Britain) MacDonald's hamburgers and other ground beef products (like shepherd's pie) would be dropping like flies in a few years. It never happened. It seems that the disease is not even that easily spread through ground beef products, much less through muscle meat like steaks.

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carrowsboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:46 AM
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23. Let Them Eat Beef (the repugs!) hehehe
Edited on Sat Dec-27-03 11:48 AM by carrowsboy
Ha! Let them eat at their own risk and then we'll be stepping over their frothing bodies as we pull the voting lever. Talk about being ignorant to science and disease!

http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=101358

Reply 1 - Posted by: DougCollins, 12/27/2003 2:58:55 AM

My wife and I went to Tony Roma's tonight (12/26/03). I enjoyed the 5 beef ribs I chowed down on.
Hmmmm! Usually the Bountiful Beef plate comes with only 4 ribs. I got 5. Maybe this isn't such a bad panic, after all.


Reply 2 - Posted by: rockinqsranch, 12/27/2003 3:29:01 AM

We have our own marinade and technique that beats Tony Romas, so we do our own.

During the Christmas Holiday beef prices soared, as well as butter and eggs. The market usually does ahead of Christmas, but this year was especially pricey for beef. We about ran out of our home ground beef and weren't interested in replenishing our stock at the current prices. Now with this ONE cow taking out the beef industry, we presume the prices will come down, and we intend to stock up. We are going to beef up our inventory LOL.


Reply 3 - Posted by: AcRacT, 12/27/2003 5:03:05 AM

If it doesn't kill you, it'll make you stronger (protein is good).


*LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN INFECTED!
Reply 4 - Posted by: mala22, 12/27/2003 9:02:24 AM

Enjoy all the beef you want,if you are worried about it don't eat brain sadwiches for a while.
Thats what happened in England where brain is a delacey eaten rare.


http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=101383

Reply 2 - Posted by: contrarian, 12/27/2003 8:29:27 AM

therefore, stateside, there will be an oversupply situation for a while. I'll be buying low and stocking the freezer.


Reply 3 - Posted by: Halfgenius, 12/27/2003 8:32:12 AM

A----men, time to stock up and enjoy the beef.


Reply 10 - Posted by: Muguy, 12/27/2003 9:51:00 AM

Maybe it will be a boon to all of us about to get that New Year's resolution going by starting the Atkins!!!

Cheaper beef means thinner Americans, cheaper health care costs, and a big boost in productivity!!


Reply 14 - Posted by: englishleigh, 12/27/2003 10:30:51 AM

Where's the beef??

In my freezer!!


Reply 15 - Posted by: GettaClue, 12/27/2003 10:44:06 AM

In another week or two the sales will be hitting the paper! Look for the manager's specials. I'm stocking up!

http://www.lucianne.com/threads2.asp?artnum=101345

Reply 7 - Posted by: GreyBird, 12/27/2003 12:05:37 AM

Uh, actually it wasn't PETA, it was me and my beef loving friends - we was just ticked at the current rise in beef prices. We did it for you, beef lovers! Stock your freezers!


Reply 12 - Posted by: sinic, 12/27/2003 5:16:06 AM

I, for one, will be stocking up on my favorite cuts of beef. Prime rib, anyone?


Reply 18 - Posted by: NancyD, 12/27/2003 8:23:22 AM

We too will be stocking up our freezers with Prime Rib, NY Strips, ribeyes, etc...


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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:54 AM
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28. LOL!
:D
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:52 AM
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27. Anyone remember when bologna lunch meat was made of pork? I do
Try finding some today. You won't. It all has every mechanically separated meat you can imagine these days. I noticed this years ago and that is why I stopped buying the stuff.

Don

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:14 PM
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29. The Food Producers groups and Bush's USDA are the ones responsible. Look!
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In 2001, the World Health Organization, in consultation with the World Animal Health Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, reiterated the need for countries to remove and destroy all tissues proven capable of transmitting mad cow disease, such as spinal cord.<128> And, the only way to guarantee that AMR beef, or mechanically separated "beef," is free of spinal cord is to require meat processors to remove the entire spinal column before sending cattle carcasses through their machinery.<129> So that year, the consumer advocacy group Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) petitioned the USDA to do just that.<130> The petition was supported by the American Public Health Association, the Consumer Federation of America, the Government Accountability Project, the National Consumers League, and Safe Tables Our Priority. <131>

The petition was opposed by the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, <132> the National Renderers Association,<133> the National Meat Association,<134>, the Pork Producers Council, the sheep industry, the milk producers, the Turkey Federation, and eight other industry trade groups.<135> After all, about 50 percent of AMR meat comes from the neck bones and spine which contain the spinal cord.<136> U.S. meat industry analysts claim that any public health measure to remove these bones would simply be too costly for the industry.<137>

The meat industry has invested at least $40 million in AMR machines since their introduction in 1994, some of which that can process 9,000 lbs. of bones per hour.<138> Industry analysts place the final figure of complying with any proposed USDA regulation that bans neck bones and backbones at close to $200 million dollars.<138> The European Commission considers the removal of cattle brains, eyes, spinal cord and intestines from the human food supply as "the single biggest contribution that can be made to reducing the risk to humans."<139> Rather than learning from the outbreak in Europe though, the U.S. livestock industry seems to oppose even the most minimal tightening of U.S. feed regulations.<140>

The meat industry argues that voluntary compliance is enough.<141> Seven years of testing by USDA inspectors, however, has demonstrated otherwise.<142> This same inability to rely on industry efforts was discovered in Britain. British meat processors also weren't able to completely remove the spinal cord, so the law was changed to simply remove the entire spine prior to processing.<143>

However, here in the United States, the USDA continues to allow tissues in the American beef supply which are so potentially dangerous that the Food and Drug Administration has excluded them from cattle feed.<144> As CSPI's Director of Food Safety put it, "U.S. cattle aren't allowed to eat cattle spinal cord - and neither should people," especially children--AMR beef is still allowed in the National School Lunch Program.<145> Thanks to CSPI, <146> at least AMR beef from downer cattle is now excluded from the school lunch program.<147> And, for years the government has excluded mechanically separated meat from baby food, but only because the product might mottle an infant's teeth as a result of increased fluoride intake<148> from all the crushed bone particles that get extruded into the paste.<149>

And, even if Americans just stick to steak, they may not be shielded from risk. The "T" in a T-bone steak is a vertebra from the animal's spinal column, and as such may contain a section of the actual spinal cord.<150> Other potentially contaminated cuts include porterhouse, standing rib roast, prime rib with bone, bone-in rib steak, and (if they contain bone) chuck blade roast and loin.<151> These cuts may include spinal cord tissue and/or so-called dorsal root ganglia, swellings of nerve roots coming into the meat from the spinal cord which have been proven to be infectious as well.<152> This concern has led the FDA to consider banning the incorporation of "plate waste" from restaurants into cattle feed.<290> The American Feed Industry Associations's Rex Runyon defends the current exemption of plate scrapings from the 1997 feed regulations: "How can you tell the consumer 'Hey, you've just eaten a T-bone steak and it's fine for you, but you can't feed it to animals'? "<291>

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Dean is already explaining how Bush and the Corporations have ignored the danger and put us all at risk. GO DEAN!!!!!!!!!
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 12:25 PM
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30. I'm so glad I don't eat meat
:-)
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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:29 PM
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32. There is a pretty good substitute for meat hotdogs!
I quit eating hotdogs years ago, until I discovered Garden burger hotdogs. They are meatless and taste almost the same, especially with some sauerkraut, mustard, relish, etc.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:35 PM
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33. smart dogs are my favorite!
Yum! :)
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 01:37 PM
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34. Welcome, guajira, to the Vegetarian Wing of the Democratic Party!
Everyone should tell everyone they know about this article. You could save their life and it will certainly be bad news for Bush as he is once again making the world safe for corporations and not for human beings...
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