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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:25 PM
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Saddam Threatens to Expose US
Edited on Fri Dec-26-03 06:41 PM by dutchdemocrat

Saddam Threatens to Expose US
P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News Staff

JEDDAH, 27 December 2003 — Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, now being grilled by American investigators, has reportedly warned US authorities that he will expose Washington’s “political games” and its behind-the-scene role in the occupation of Kuwait.

“Saddam threatened that if they continue to pressure him he will reveal startling facts — about America’s political games with his country — that would shock the whole world,” Al-Watan Arabic daily quoted a high-level European source as saying.

The source said Saddam had stopped answering the investigators’ questions and asked them to “give him enough time to clear his mind.” He did not elaborate further, the source added.

The source confirmed that the investigators approached Saddam with a list of Iraqi scientists involved in the development of weapons of mass destruction but Saddam told them that they were developing nuclear and chemical technology for civilian purposes, the paper said.

According to the European source close to US investigators, Saddam also said that he would ask the International Court of Justice in The Hague to try the United States for its crimes against the Iraqi people for allegedly using internationally prohibited weapons against the Iraqis during the last two wars against his country.

“If the Americans want to try me in a court of law, they should also try high-ranking international officials,” the source quoted the former Iraqi dictator as saying. Saddam has insisted that his statements are recorded verbatim, the paper said. The source said Saddam neither prayed not read the Qur’an, it added.

<SNIP>

Arab News
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Intelsucks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:34 PM
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1. I've seen some pretty outrageous stuff on that site before
I would give that news site about a 50% credibility rating at best.

My all-time fave was the article about the whiskey-drinking Israeli bulldozer driver who did nothing but knock down Palestinian homes all day long... And he was drinking whiskey the whole time. I've never laughed so hard in my entire life.:7
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:38 PM
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2. how would they know what he said anyway?
no one (but us) has access to him
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:49 PM
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8. Do we have an interpreter?
Or does Saddam speak English all the time??
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:45 PM
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3. Another DU shoot the messenger (as usual)
Of course they are idiots. They are Arabs. Right? They must be lying.

ArabNews Overview

The First English Daily Newspaper in Saudi Arabia
Published simultaneously from Jeddah, Riyadh and Dhahran
In 1975 Saudi Research & Publishing Co. (SRPC) launched the first Saudi English-language daily newspaper, ArabNews. For more than a quarter of a century ArabNews has been breaking cultural barriers and unifying Arabs and non-Arabs alike in responding to their need for information. ArabNews has evolved successfully into the well respected, leading paper it is today.

From its initiation, the paper has been serving the interests of both the Saudis and a large expatriate community and in consequence introduced them to each other. The challenge which is successfully accomplished each morning is meeting the needs of the different cultural communities which make up the diverse population of the Kingdom. ArabNews offers regional news from Europe, America, India, Pakistan, Philippines and other Middle Eastern countries in English for the heterogeneous mix of its loyal readers. Local news, business news, sports and features are provided for all, unlike other newspapers which may be serving a homogeneous audience.
Circulation: 51.768 (ABC, January-June 1998)
Distribution: Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Near East, North Africa, Europe and USA
SPRC, established 1972, has become one of the most important publishing groups in the Arab world. Since then, the list of publications has grown to include 18 daily, weekly and monthly newspapers and magazines , all leaders in their respective fields in the Arab and non-Arab world.



http://www.arabnews.com/?page=16&mode=AboutUs.htm
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:49 PM
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9. I don't think he was implying that.
He was just saying that their stories are outrageous and lack credibility.
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:00 PM
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13. Sure
Whatever. What's the difference?

Just like Al Jazeera right? Has anyone seen the 'almost banned by the BBC' documentary on the runup to the war and Al Jazeera itself?

It barely made the waves at the Beeb nevermind ever gracing US airspace.

That documentary changed my mind on the Arab media and the distortion that is fueled by the US media.

I am not an Saddam apologist... please don't mistake my point here. All I am saying is I am rather dissappointed that the story gets shot down without research or viable arguments other than 'That's a fucked up source'.

Too bad. It's more credible that most of the US media as far as I am concerned - especially on news that reflects the Arab world.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:35 PM
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33. you got anger
just cause they're Arabs doesn't make it true either. They lie just like anyone else and they have an Arab /mostly anti-American audience to sell papers to. How the f-ck do they know what Saddam said? Paul Bremmer called them up and leaked the info?

And the source matters, if last week they said aleins landed it's relevant...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:04 PM
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14. Oh No......I believe that this is what's wished for! I wish for it myself
Edited on Fri Dec-26-03 07:05 PM by KoKo01
and if Saddam is not "drugged out of his mind" or "turned into a veggie" by our interrogation aparatus, then I hope he will expose Donald Rumsfeld, Poppy and Reagan.....I want this. Because I'm an American, and if MY Government, whose saleries I pay....My Employees are Crooked and sponsoring "Terrorists" I want to know about it.

What we are dealing with now is the RESULTS of our Renegade Government proping up "terrorists!" When we STOP supporting the Saddam's and Osama's then I will believe that America is Working Towards Stopping Global terrorism.
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:22 PM
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17. Yeah...It's all about racism against Arabs.
It always is.
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Intelsucks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:26 PM
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18. I'm "racist" because I've seen ridiculous stories on that site?
Edited on Fri Dec-26-03 07:31 PM by Intelsucks
:shrug:

edit: mis-spelled "racist"
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:36 PM
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19. NO...Not at ALL! Just the EXACT oposite.
Maybe I should have expressed my sacasm visually...But that usually takes away some of the effect. I was hoping my "Yeah" would express it enough. I am sorry it wasn't clear to you.

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Intelsucks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:42 PM
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20. My bad. I apologize.
I probably should have just kept my mouth shut to begin with.:spank:
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:54 PM
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21. That's usually best...
...When the subject concerns any person who is not white.

Unfortunately...
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:31 PM
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26. I apologize if I was overzealous in my defense.
I was expecting some opposition and braced a little too hard perhaps. I am having a rather bad day. I better go to bed.
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:28 PM
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25. Sacasm
Edited on Fri Dec-26-03 08:32 PM by dutchdemocrat
Did I play the race card to incite 'sacasm'?

Hell ya'. It has filtered right through the American psyche as far as I am concerned.

Canada's refugee holding pens along the US border are full of Arab Americans who are facing the wrath of a targeted and well executed MO very similar in context and texture as the Nazis orchestrated against the Jews 70 years ago. Look at Gitmo, it's a concentration camp for crying out loud.

The current powers that be are manipulating and using the media to spin the 'people' against the 'enemy'. And that is done both subliminally and obviously through the press.

If you want to get into solid investigative reportage and free press, I think the majority of the US media fails on both counts miserably. Reporters are too worried about sources and publishers are too worried about advertisers and advertisers are generally worried about rocking the boat. It's a vicious circle.

I linked to an article for perusal and I took offense at one of the comments. Apparently you don't agree with me. That's your perogative.

Here's mine.

You want to blame me for playing the 'race' card? Go ahead. I admit it. The US media plays that game every day - and it seems you have been conditioned to think that any deflection of criticism directed at Arabs using the Race Card is too PC and deserves a whacking.

Too bad. I feel sorry for you.
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:42 PM
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27. I haven't been "Conditioned" to think anything.
Speak for yourself.
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:43 PM
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28. I am speaking for myself.
I am giving my opinion. To your 'sacasm' remark.
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:45 PM
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29. OK...
"and it seems you have been conditioned to think that any deflection of criticism directed at Arabs using the Race Card is too PC and deserves a whacking."
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:46 PM
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4. Ha ha. You got a link to that one? nt
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Intelsucks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:56 PM
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11. It was about two years ago... no link
I do check that site regularly though. They do have some interesting editorials from time to time.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:16 PM
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15. is this related to the death of Rachel Corrie?
if so ... not funny at all

what was funny - bulldozing people's homes or drinking whiskey or killing a peace activist while drinking whiskey and bulldozing or all of the above?

a link to that story would be helpful



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Intelsucks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:21 PM
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16. No, it was way before that happened. Sorry I don't have a link
It was about 2 years ago. I just remember the article because it was so funny. The article mentioned no names. Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up at all, since I cannot supply a link.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:11 PM
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24. real nice
guess it would be funny if somebody cats your house......
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:53 PM
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30. So you believe the Saddam revelation story is unbelievable?
Gee -- if it was a silly accusation, an obvious lie, you would have a point.

The fact is -- Saddam *does* have some very interesting stories he can tell about certain American politicians, and how very cozy they have been from time to time.

He was Their Boy back in the 80s, back in the days when the sanctioned object of American hatred was the Ayatollah Khomeni.

It was held to be in America's strategic interest to generously support a strong secular leader in a region of the world where Islamic fundamentalism was rising as a force in government.

Americans might not have been *interested* or even heard of Saddam Hussein at the time, but it was hardly a big secret that he was violent, repressive, and had pretty big plans for himself as a leader in the region. A LOT of those bodies buried in mass graves in Iraq that smirky loves to talk about as justification of his invasion and occupation have been filled for decades. It seems kind of inappropriate to condemn him now that it is convenient for us, when we did not decades ago, knowing full well what was going on.





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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:47 PM
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5. I hope he doesn't
anything accurate he has to say would lose credibility coming from his mouth. Save the facts for the Democrats - if we're interested in using them.
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JailForBush Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:48 PM
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6. I'll say it again - Saddam Hussein is STUPID.
Why didn't the big dummy record these embarrassing facts long ago, and make several copies for security? He could have even used this information to intimidate Bush from attacking Iraq in the first place.

Now, it looks like Hussein's secrets will disappear with Hussein.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:48 PM
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7. The U.S. opted out of the International Criminal Court
in May 2002.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/05/06/international.court/
http://www.state.gov/t/us/rm/15158.htm

This was just a few months after the UN Sub-Commission on Protection and Promotion of Human Rights decided that depleted uranuim (DU) weaponry qualified as weapons of mass destruction (WMD).

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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:51 PM
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10. Just because the US opted out
Just because the US opted out does not mean charges can't be brought up.

All it means is US officials can choose to ignore the court, but the court does not have to choose to ignore them.
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Danocrat Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 06:58 PM
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12. Decisions, decisions
Who to determine is not lying to us, Saddam or Bush.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:00 PM
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22. Bush is a born again
Edited on Fri Dec-26-03 08:02 PM by candy331
Christian so I hear, so I'm sure he has heard of divine retribution? Surely no Christian would think that his God would always be on his side right/wrong. In the Bible which he is said to quote from I'm sure he must have come across the many battles that were lost by God's people because of rebellion and disobedience among other things. Surely he knows that his God of the Bible used enemies to punish his people at times. How ironic, the criminal exposes the criminal!

Of course this is for people who believe in God for others it is called "reaping what you sow".
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:09 PM
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23. isn`t he dead yet?
as soon as he`s gone,everything will be coming up roses, won`t it?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 08:57 PM
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31. Too bad he did not speak up BEFORE Iraq was invaded..
I always thought he could have avoided the whole thing, by telling tales on the Reagan/Bush/Bush gang...at the UN and ON TV..

Now that he is "in custody", it would not have any real effect..:(
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:16 PM
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32. I think some may be to quick to dismiss this but I believe Saddam and
the Iranian government have more than a few damning things to say against some officials of the current misadministration. If the case goes to Hague, we may very well witness the second time the two come together in terms of dealing with the US. The first time was GWI when Saddam handed over a strip of disputed land on the gulf so that the Iranians would not attacked in the event of his country's weakness from a US assault.
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Beaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:39 PM
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34. ...“give him enough time to clear his mind.”
Oh, they'll "clear his mind" for him...as in using a 9mm to clear the gray matter from the inside of his skull, if he keeps up with that line of talk.
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