Prediction: War, Terrorist Act or Martial Law before the 2004 Election

[Q]

- Bush* couldn't have 'won' the 2000 election without the help of 'connected' politicians, right wing thugs in the streets and a lying media. Jeb 'the crow' Bush. Harris. Baker. Supreme Court. They were all there to make sure Bush* was installed no matter how the people voted.

- But being installed in office couldn't make the people accept him...it took a terrorist act and a WAR to do that. Before 9-11...stories were circulating in the mainstream media questioning Bush's 'legitimacy', qualifications for the highest office, military record, shady business deals, arrest record and his life as a drunken party boy.

- 9-11 and the Iraq 'war' followup changed all of that. It became treasonous and unpatriotic to talk about his past or the questionable way he became president. Was this a series of lucky, fateful coincidences or did certain people 'help' these events along as they did the 2000 election?

- Given that even the Republican chair of the 9-11 commission stated that it 'could and should' have been prevented and the obvious 'stand down' of all defenses on that day...it's not difficult to conclude that it was to their advantage that such an event happened at just the right time.

- What did the Bushies gain from the successful, unimpeded terrorist attack on 9-11? They gained all the 'powers' of a 'president' at war and a fearful congress and nation willing to trade their liberty for security.

- But there is some doubt that Bush* can ride 9-11 and the Iraq 'quagmire' and bloodbath to victory in 2004. He will need something else to increase the level of fear and bring more Americans to his side. He needs another 9-11 or war to keep the people afraid and suspicious of any Democrat wanting to take his place. He needs confusion and doubt and hate.

- So it comes to this: there is good reason to expect another terrorist event or war to 'happen' before the next election. The Bushies have made 'wag the dog' into a fine art and will use it to keep the power they lied and cheated to attain. There's no going back for them now...it's all or nothing. I claim no special knowledge about this...it's just a gut feeling and three years of watching the most devious government in my lifetime. I hope I'm wrong.

[dusty64]

1. All of the above

seems likely. This will also provide cover to reinstate the draft and divert attention from heavily rigged electronic "voting" machines. Damn, its awful how three years of this nightmare have turned us into complete cynics. I think I loathe them most for taking away my hope!

[Q]

2. A majority of Americans won't believe something like this...

...will happen again and will once again be shocked into submission.

- Dissent against this regime has pretty much been eliminated. Those who do protest are gassed, shot wih rubber bullets and arrested. Congress has accepted its role as rubber stamp. The few remaining voices of Democratic opposition have been marginalized or made to look 'treasonous' and unpatriotic.

- We must continue to hope...but at the same time we have to understand the unprecedented events taking place right before our eyes.

[TheWatcher]

3. I Think it's all three

At least one of the three is on the agenda if Bush gets into trouble.....

I have said it before, and I will say it again.....I sincerily doubt these people are going to leave power lawfully and peacefully.....

There is absolutely no reason for them to with the unprecedented amount of Power and Control that they have stolen for themselves, and that the majority of this brain dead population (This statement does not include ANYONE on DU) have idly sat by, slept through, and patently ignored into thier hands.....

If they think they can get away with it, what reasonable person with a grasp on logic does not think they will try it?.....No one wants to talk about it, and no one wants to think about it.....But that doesn't change the possibilities and relevance of what we know to be true.....We know what these people's history is, and especially those of us who are in the LIHOP/MIHOP camp, there should be no doubt that they will attempt something to stay in Power.....

And while we are at it, I will go one step further....If we do not get them out in 2004, by whatever miracle we are going to have to count on to happen to carry us through the day, I think these people are here to stay.....They will NEVER leave, and even if Bush has to go after his second term, he will be replaced with another puppet, and God Help Us with thier next choice.....

This is America's Helm's Deep.....

And I wonder if this time Gandalf is going to Ride Over The Mountain.....

TheWatcher

[libview]

4. The Bushies are ready to release there next planned attack.

They didn't kill enough people the last time, this one is going to be much larger. A couple of crop dusters over LA should do the trick.
Why are Amerikans so stupid??

[G_j]

5. I'm afraid to say

another war won't work IMO, leaving one less option. :scared:

[G_j]

33. poor choice of words on my part

I would THANK the stars above if they did not see another war as an option!!!

[beyurslf]

6. I dont think another war or another attack will work.

People are tired of having their loved ones overseas and will not support another war. An attack would mean Bush is not defending us. They can clingto the idea that he inherited a problem so far gone that he could do nothing to stop 9-11. But if we are attacked again, he failed. I would be more concerned with BBV.

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. You're right

and BBV would be my guess too.

[mikehiggins]

7. A successful terrorist attack will bury this administration.

They've had over two years of unrestricted power. If a couple of guys with hand grenades takes out a passel of men, women and children in the Mall of the Americas over the holidays, Bush might just as well pack his bags and go home.

I was in that place shortly after 9/11 (don't even ask how scary it was to fly out there for my nephews wedding) and it gave me chills. There are malls like that all over this country, even if none are so big, and "security" is a joke. They are a suicide bomber's wet dream and something like that, I think, would be easier to do than to attack a nuke power plant.

Our enemies are not supermen but the odds are on their side. Sooner or later they're going to succeed (if they really want to) and it'll take a lot more than the GOP spin machine to save this administration.

One tenth of the 87 billion we're pissing away on Iraq would make THIS country immeasurably safer. They could put money in that bill to protect the Miami trade talks from mad dog retirees hobbling around in walkers. They could have spent more money on first responders and increased anti-terrorist activities, not the bandaid and paper mache stuff they did. Where are the air marshals? Where are the new security devices at the airports? Do first class passengers really have to use metal knives while the poorer travelers get plastic?

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

[Wapsie B]

9. But a staged attack

that is thwarted will give chimpy a ticker-tape parade.
He's got to keep the electorate scared. He's got no other issue to run on.

[bobthedrummer]

13. The spectacle of Saddam's show trial is already in play, an election

year show trial that will be bigger than HUAC and McCarthy era hysteria.

[Smokie]

8. Our message

We know a conspiracy designed to ensure the power remains in republican hands is being hatched in the Whitehouse. We have seen just how far they are willing to go to subvert the constitution. We know they will stop at nothing.

So what do we do? How do we spread our knowledge in a way that reaches the public without fanning the flames of fear? The answer to that lies in the message. DU shall write the message. Let's get going on that, Q, et al. Eh?

We shall be the messengers. We'll post it on websites, we'll print a hundred copies and place them where people are sure to find them. We'll devise other ways to spread the message.

We'll support the Dem nominee to the hilt, then, if we are lucky, we stay tuned in after the election to make sure the Cons don't ever get this close to power again.

What other choice do we have? Short of all the nukes being launched, the new Cons are the gravest threat to humanity.

[barbaraann]

19. Welcome, Smokie!

Your post and your dedication are inspiring. We will definitely not give up.

:yourock:

[Q]

22. Welcome! We COULD turn it around...

...and 'get out the message' that another attack or war WOULD mean a failure for an administration that has been given everything they asked for to fight a 'war' on terrorism. We could also continue to remind people that Bush's* war in Iraq has taken resources away from the real fight against terrorism.

- But the problem remains the same: The Bushies seem to have nearly full control of the media. The left simply doesn't have the resources to get past the media blackout on the truth.

- We can only try...but it's not looking good. Logic would dictate that another attack would make Bush* look bad. But then...there are so many other things that should have brought this admin. down and didn't: lying this nation into war. Outing a CIA agent for revenge. The obstruction of the 9-11 and other investigations.

- What we need is the media to start telling the truth...but what are the odds of that happening any time soon?

[LunaC]

50. Hmmmmmmm......

the media....the media.....the media......

How can we take a page from the Repugnicans play-book and use it to our advantage? They yelled and screamed, bitched, moaned and belly-ached over that stupid Raygun movie and got it cancelled, so the media CAN be manipulated.....How can we start a campaign directed towards a media target and generate enough noise that the campaign - in and of itself - becomes newsworthy enough for other outlets to cover it....?

I guess that's been The Big Question all along, eh?

[LunaC]

45. BUT....

How do you wake up the Sheeple so they'll pay attention? Therein lies the rub.

I wrote a "message" called "The Stealth Coup" that documents the PNAC/Bush Cabal rise to power so the Common Man could see and understand what our Administration is REALLY all about. It was distributed by the various means you suggested. It generated a big fat yawn, not because of the content (which connected ALL the dots!) but because Soccer Moms and Nascar Dads are too busy working two jobs to make ends meets and simply living their lives to notice what's going on beyond their immediate environment. In fact, I made it readily available to the thousands of members of DU yet only a handful of posters requested copies to distribute within their own sphere - and we're supposed to be the hotbed of activism, right?

There are plenty of messages we can share but if we can't generate interest HERE, how do we generate it anywhere?

[drb]

10. Well, here's my take -

They'll go for another war only if it looks like the election is slipping away and the BBV machines aren't being accepted. If you see them go into Syria or Iran this spring or summer, it's because they know they won't have another four years to do it, and they've gotta go for it while they have the power.

The American public realizes that Bushco* wars are optional, not required. More war certainly won't help rethug election chances.

The terrorist attack slash martial law slash "postponed election" scenario is kinda my favorite. My guess for a target would be Washington DC, while Bush, Cheney, and Tom "Cockroach" Delay are out of town. The congress is decimated, and not able to act. Cheney's shadow government climbs out of its spider hole and takes over.

Tell me I'm wrong and it won't happen.

Please!

---

"Between what matters and what seems to matter, how should the world we know judge wisely?" - E.C. Bentley, "Trent's Last Case"

[Smokie]

14. It can be stopped

The only way a terrorist attack can happen is for a massive failure from the Department of Homeland Security.

One hopes that next time, as an attack nears, the real Patriots in the CIA, FBI, etc. will take matters into their own hands and not rely on the 'Higher ups' to protect us.

You know... there must be a bunch of really angry spy types who are just aching to become real heroes. If our fears have any basis, we may only be able to rely on the real Patriots now in our service.

[Q]

24. You could be right...but they're already 'setting us up' with the ORANGE

...Alert. I would be willing to bet that the alert level never drops...and may be increased....before the 2004 election.

- As we ponder and speculate...we must keep in mind that this administration has gotten away with things that would have meant impeachment for any other executive branch. They DECLARED WAR...not to fight terrorists in the ME...but to serve as a protection racket for their games of greed and empire.

- To keep things in perspective...the last president was impeached for lying about an affair. Think about it.

[bitchkitty]

11. Agreed - either an attack

or someone close to chimpie dies. Or both. Poppy's pals are take-charge kind of guys!

[Ani Yun Wiya]

12. I agree completely.

My gut feeling is that * and crew seek not simply a "win" in the next election,
I think they want a "landslide", and with it the attendant "mandate".

To that end the seeds have certainly been sown, and all three of your possibilities
could result from one simple event, what ever the variant of "terrorist act".

A biological attack of some sort has gotten quite a lot of advance billing and is
in the back of many people's minds.

Picture the clamp down in this country if a small town somewhere had such an event.

How quickly do you think * and his criminal cabal would pin the blame on a country like Syria?

Right there are two of three.

Martial law? The easy kind could quickly lead to the hard kind if there was any reaction from
this population that even looked like they wanted to blame * and try to oust him.

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[Q]

23. I wouldn't call them 'delusions'...

...because it's very likely that some 'event' could occur that would 'force' Bush* to attack yet another country on the 'axis of evil' list. As to martial law...there has already been talk in the Bush* admin. about doing exactly that if there's another attack.

- But you're right about the holes in homeland 'security'. They're too busy enriching themselves and their friends to be bothered with actually protecting America.

[info being]

16. My prediction is an attack on Seattle

Blame it on Liberal Activists and they are set.

[BiggJawn]

18. Terra-ist act and Martial Law.

We already got the War ("codpiece accomplished" notwithstanding)
so a little light LIHOP, and if that doesn't work, then the "For the safety of Murka, I have ordered the elections suspended TFN. It's too dangerous to go to the polls. Thank you, god bless, and go fly someplace, go shopping! Don't let the Terra-ists win!"

Then to totally get our minds off it, a "VERY Special 'Friends'..." featuring Guest Star Paris Hilton and FULL PENETRATION!

[leetrisck]

20. Ever since bush stole office,

I've had the fear we would not have an election next time and I sincerely mean that. I worry that martial law will be declared and that's that and we would have to take to the streets and no, I'm not some wacko, I sincerely worry about it. What happens if we go to "red alert" If some of the things I have read are true about the "red alert", we would be in one hell of a mess even before attack.

[Q]

25. These aren't unfounded worries...

...when you consider how much the Bushies have been able to 'accomplish' in just three short years. They've practically cancelled the Bill of Rights, opened the US treasury to war profiteers and deregulated every industry. Only a few obstacles remain in their way.

- I used to think that they wouldn't pull something like this because it would be too 'obvious'. But after the Bushies were able to get away with lying this nation into war in Iraq...it seems that anything goes.

[Q]

21. I frankly don't understand why some of you think that another attack...

...would 'devastate' the Bush* administration. They've characterized terrorism as an unstoppable force and a reason for perpetual war. The Bushies have the people and congress cowed into submission. The rubber stamp congress has no will or power to stop them.

- I believe another attack would be used to 'rally' Americans around the flag, deepen the hatred of the anti-war movement and be used as an excuse to establish martial law. Once martial law is put in place...the government has absolute power and the Constitution becomes little more than toilet paper.

[ElementaryPenguin]

26. "Government has abolute power...Constitution becomes little more than T.P.

I thought we were already there, Q!

[Q]

29. Not quite...

...but martial law would essentially make the US a military dictatorship.

[lapislzi]

27. only because it has a flip side

..inasmuch as the thinking would be "Bush can't keep us safe. Bush failed to protect us." It's a two-edged sword, and a dangerous gamble. I'm not saying they won't try it, and you may be right.

[Q]

30. That's why terrorism and perpetual war has been such a good thing...

...for the Bushies. Any kind of terrorist event could lead to martial law and an attack on the next country on the 'evildoer' list. And as we learned in Iraq...that country doesn't even have to attack us first before we shock and awe them and invade.

[lapislzi]

31. also helps to acclimatize people to seeing armed soldiers in the streets

...but I still think another LIHOP (assuming that you buy LIHOP # 1) is a risky business. People will be righteously pissed off that the Boy King failed to protect them after all this homeland security fooferah.

[wanderingbear]

28. Im ready for this too..

Been expecting it for some time now..

[ronatchig]

32. The sad truth

is that there are few who visit these boards who have lived in anything but a fascist police state. The "Military/Industrial" monster was woke at the end of WWII and has been relentlessly moving toward complete domination of the world and all who live on it since it's inception.
All that we see from the Bushco is that it is now comfortable enough in it's power over the American people that it is able to work in the open. Nixon's "War on Drugs" was the birth of the National Police Force although this police force has only recently been codified, it has been with us for a long while now. With this war they have managed to make criminals out of a vast portion of the American population and have managed to scare people into distrusting their neighbors and fellow citizens. Thus further dividing any possible opposition to the Ascension to absolute power.
By consistently beating down and dividing the working class through anti unionism and globalization, the fascists have forced the source of any possible resistance to their plans to focus on survival of themselves and their families.
Was it Machiavelli who said " Control the coinage and the courts and let the rabble have the rest"? In his time illiteracy was so rampant that he did not have to include the control of the press.
But I ramble, my opinion is that Bushco need not declare martial law they need only enforce it.
As to a terrorist attack , they very well may decide the time is right to go to real population control but then again they may need the manpower

[Q]

34. Yes...they're 'doing it' right out in the open...

...and many Americans don't seem to care. Many others encourage it in the name of 'national security'.

- I'm convinced that fascism isn't possible without the willing ignorance of the people and the complicity of the government itself. It helps to have a congress with a rubber stamp in hand...ready to pass any legislation that might make them look better in the polls or more 'patriotic'.

- Nationalism be thy name.

[Tellurian]

35. There are two more nails needed for the "Fait Accompli"..

Firstly, Bush will not go the airplane attack route... he's already achieved the justified use of our militery for the occupation of Iraq and unfettered control of his oil ventures-

Remember, his goal is a dictatorship.. He will use a bio-attack as the excuse to minimize the panic of citizens, and being the benevolent dictator he isn't, will have created the excuse for implementing law and order via Martial Law, allowing all citizens to be well taken care of- per their government.

This monumental nefarious act will be the precursor to disbanding Congress by executive order. (JLH) Just like Hitler...

Rest assured the Heritage Foundation is researching the framework of the operation of a government under martial law, working backwards from the desired goal, to the impetus, eg. executive order, using the loose ends created by the current FEMA regulations to achieve a legal solution found palatable by the masses to achieve total submission...

[kellyj]

36. What else did Bush do?

I'm pretty sure he caused yesterday's earthquake in California. I can't prove it, but he can't disprove it, so that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[PaDUer]

38. Probably testing

those nukes.

[sexybomber]

39. nah, that was the Earth getting pissed off at Junior.

It's preparing to create a small earthquake right under Bush's feet that will rocket him into space... :D

by the way, welcome to DU! :hi: :toast:

[Q]

42. You'd be more convincing...

...if you brought some sort of counterpoint or at least made an attempt to debate.

- But even you must admit that Bush* has used 9-11 and the death of thousands to his own political advantage? Don't you find this to be just a bit revolting?

[Triana]

37. all of the above and...

...News reports and documents from even the WH itself indicate that bu$hit planned to go into Iraq either before or immediately after 9-11. All his lies about 'last resort' were bu$hit. It was planned all along.

[kclown]

40. Hardly ever mentioned

Before invasion of Iraq, U.S. military posture was that our
armed forces could handle Iraq PLUS two other (smaller) wars. 
No one believes that anymore.  That's why it's never
mentioned.

But another military adventure couldn't get thru Congress now,
let alone get past the Joint Chiefs.

[Q]

41. Well...congress didn't have to actually declare war...

...before Iraq was invaded. Congress escaped accountability by signing off on some wishy-washy resolution that gave too much power to the CIC.

- But another terrorist 'event' could mean Bush* pulling troops out of Iraq and finding more bodies in the states to fight on another front.

- We've seen how this government takes advantage of terrorism to wage wars where ever they want. They could blame future terrorism on any country and not have to prove that country was involved.

- Or the Bushies could simply make the kind of domestic changes that would give them a military 'dictatorship' instead of invading another country. This is the likely probability if such an even happens before the 2004 election.

[LunaC]

43. It all depends on BBV

If they know the (s)election is in the bag then their staged theatrics/terrorism (I'm from the MIHOP camp) won't be necessary.

[Q]

44. They didn't depend on BBV or other types of election fraud in 2000...

...they had 'backup plans' in the event of a perceived 'close race'. One plan was to illegally purge voters from the rolls. Other was a Florida legislature ready to give their EC votes to Bush* even if Gore won. Yet another was Harris fouling up the recounts, Baker with his lying chants that the ballots had been counted and counted and recounted...when Harris gave permission to some counties not to do a recount at all. And then they had the GOP staffers disguised as Florida citizens to harass the election workers.

- The point is that the Bushies will have mulitple backup plans to ensure that they win in 2004 no matter what.

[LunaC]

47. Q, Q, Q.......

Read back your own words.....Election Fraud/Shenanigans is how they snuck in the first time. If it worked once, it will work even better the second time since they can improve upon their M.O. I agree that the Bushies will do whatever it takes to remain in power (which is why I plan on moving my Activist Ass to a foreign country in '05) but I'm not convinced (yet - there's a long way to go before next November) that they'll need to orchestrate another Terrorist TV Extravaganza for their sleight-of-hand machinations.

[Q]

48. I'm not 'convinced' either...just speculation...

...based on the pattern and practice of the Bushies.

- But in reality...there's no way to predict. One can only judge their slimy characters and what they've done in the past to 'win'.

[Beaker]

46. doubtful.

except perhaps an actual terrorist attack that the mis-administration has no part in orchestrating.
They already have the election pretty much in the bag, especially if Dean takes the nomination...they aren't going to want to do anything that might "rock-the-boat", and cause an unpredictable response from the electorate. look for the status quo to continue until after the votes have been counted.

[LunaC]

49. A war "instigated" by North Korea is a realistic possibility

The U.S. has been toying with Kim Il Jong since 2002. I found it ludicrous that Bush was going after Saddam because of suspected WMD's while good old Kim was jumping up and down with excitement over his admitted nuclear capabilities. Watching the U.S. "diplomatic" policy with NK unfold over time, it seems to me that Bush is intentionally trying to piss 'em off so they will make the first strike and we (ahem) have no choice but to retaliate. I believe that another "Dictator Monster" story is being hatched behind the scenes for release during the prime-time doldrums of next summer.