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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:32 AM
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At what point will you have had enough?
H.L. Mencken said, “Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”

Ever get the urge?

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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:44 AM
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1. Every time I've called Qwest customer service, actually n/t
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The Mighty Boot Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:59 AM
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4. I don't know about slitting throats but,
every time I see my Senator Rick Santorum's
(or as I call him-SATANTORUM) face I do begin
to shake with rage. My Rep. is Melissa Hart(less)
so I got the double scoop of despicability. I don't
think there is anyone as out of touch as these two.

:hangover:
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Kerridwyn Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:29 AM
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13. Santorum (off-topic)
In that case, I think you will enjoy http://www.spreadingsantorum.com
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:51 PM
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19. Hi there, fellow Pennsylvania Person!
Welcome to DU! :hi:

I recently moved to PA, to find myself flabbergasted at being represented by this empty suit of empty suits. Once we send His Chimperial Highness back to Mordor, we're going after Satan-torum.

There is some encouragement in the recent election here, with PA overwhelmingly rejecting right-wing wackos and Bush Goons (although a few managed to survived, like Gory Orie), so I am confident that the smirk will be rejected next year, as he was in 2000.



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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:05 AM
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6. I had to compliment them
It was painful. They really did handle my DSL installation beautifully and I really do like the service. They gave a customer satisfaction call and I had to say nice things about QWest!!! Aaaggghh!! (Me and the guy on the phone had a good chuckle)
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:24 AM
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9. To answer...
Who's throats? Those that would enslave us.

Who's flag? The Jolly Roger, of course. Freelance Masonic pirates aided the British in destroying Spanish dominance of the new world and, subsequently, thwarted the Inquisition's attempt to establish itself there. In fact, the very first modern democracy may have been attempted on the Island of Madagascar - Libertatia. Founded by a group of these Freemason pirates in the 1690's, they declared independence and installed a political and cultural system based on democratic ideals. They made their income by looting Potugese and Mogul ships - "liberating" them of their gold and jewels and spices, they also attacked slavers of all countries, freed the prisoners and abolished the inhuman practice on their island. This is what would ultimately be their downfall as the slaver nations allied themselves to finally destroy the upstart colony.

http://www.gulfislands.com/momo/TAZ.html

However, there was a definite nobility of sentiment among these cut-throat mutineers and freedom loving rogues. After the capture of a slave ship off the coast of west Africa in 1699, one of the Libertatia pirates, Captain Mission, a renegade priest, gave this speech to his crew before freeing the slaves.

The trading of men can never be agreeable to the eyes of divine justice. No man has the power of the liberty of another, and while those who profess a more enlightened knowledge of the Deity sold men like beasts, they proved that their religion was no more than a grimace...I have not exempted my own men from the galling yoke of slavery ans asserted my own liberty, to enslave others. Although these men are distinguished from Europeans by their color, customs or religious rites, they are the work of the same Ominipotent Being and imbued with equal reason. Wherefore I desire that they be treated like free men - for I would banish even the name of slavery from among them.Cochran, "Freebooters of the Red Sea."p.91

Hamilton Cocran, author of "Freebooters of the Red Sea, comments:

It is indeed noteworthy that such antislavery sentiments, including the idea of equality, were voiced by a humane pirate 150 years before Abraham Lincoln declared that all men were created free and equal.



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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:57 AM
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10. Wow, thanks for sharing that...
...sounds quite inspiring in a way.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:09 AM
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11. fascinating....
thanks
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:22 AM
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12. Ah, yes. Captain Mission and his experiment in utopia.
More on this: the introduction to William S. Burroughs novel "Cities of the Red Night".

The liberal principles embodied in the French and American revolutions and later in the liberal revolutions of 1848 had already been codified and put into practice by pirate communes a hundred years earlier. Here is a quote from Under the Black Flag by Don C. Seitz:

"Captain Mission was one of the forbears of the French Revolution. He was one hundred years in advance of his time, for his career was based upon an initial desire to better adjust the affairs of mankind, which ended as is quite usual in the more liberal adjustment of his own fortunes. It is related how Captain Mission, having led his ship to victory against an English man-of-war, called a meeting of the crew. Those who wished to follow him he would welcome and treat as brothers; those who did not would be safely set ashore. One and all embraced the New Freedom. Some were hoisting the Black Flag at once but Mission demurred, saying that they were not pirates but liberty lovers, fighting for equal rights against all nations subject to the tyranny of government, and bespoke a white flag as the more fitting emblem. The ship's money was put in a chest to be used as common property. Clothes were now distributed to all in need and the republic of the sea was in full operation.

Mission bespoke them to live in strict harmony among themselves; that a misplaced society would adjudge them still as pirates. Self-preservation, therefore, and not a cruel disposition, compelled them to declare war on all nations who should close their ports to them. "I declare such a war and at the same time recommend to you a humane and generous behavior towards your prisoners, which will appear by so much more the effects of a noble soul as we are satisfied we should not meet the same treatment should our ill fortune or want of courage give us up to their mercy..." The Nieustadt of Amsterdam was made prize, giving up two thousand pounds and gold dust and seventeen slaves. The slaves were added to the crew and clothed in the Dutchman's spare garments; Mission made an address denouncing slavery, holding that men who sold others like beasts proved their religion to be no more than a grimace as no man had power of liberty over another..."

Mission explored the Madagascar coast and found a bay ten leagues north of DiИgo-Suarez. It was resolved to establish here the shore quarters of the Republic - erect a town, build docks, and have a place they might call their own. The colony was called Libertatia and was placed under Articles drawn up by Captain Mission. The Articles state, among other things:

All decisions with regard to the colony to be submitted to vote by the colonists; the abolition of slavery for any reason including debt; the abolition of the death penalty; and freedom to follow any religious beliefs or practices without sanction or molestation.

Captain Mission's colony, which numbered about three hundred, was wiped out by a surprise attack from the natives, and Captain Mission was killed shortly afterwards in a sea battle. There were other such colonies in the West Indies and in Central and South America, but they were not able to maintain themselves since they were not sufficiently populous to withstand attack. Had they been able to do so, the history of the world could have been altered. Imagine a number of such fortified positions all through South America and the West Indies, stretching from Africa to Madagascar and Malaya and the East Indies, all offering refuge to fugitives from slavery and oppression: "Come to us and live under the Articles."

At once we have allies in all those who are enslaved and oppressed throughout the world, from the cotton plantations of the American South to the sugar plantations of the West Indies, the whole Indian population of the Amreican continent peonized and degraded by the Spanish into subhuman poverty and ignorance, exterminated by the Americans, infected with their vices and diseases, the natives of Africa and Asia - all these are potential allies. Fortified positions supported by and supporting guerilla hit-and-run bands; supplied with soldiers, weapons, medicines and information by the local populations... such a combination would be unbeatable. If the whole American army couldn't beat the Viet Cong at a time when fortified positions were rendered obsolete by artillery and air strikes, certainly the armies of Europe, operating in unfamiliar territory and susceptile to all the disabling diseases of tropical countries, could not have beaten guerrilla tactics plus fortified positions. Consider the difficulties which such an invading army would face: continual harassment from the guerrillas, a totally hostile population always ready with poison, misdirection, snakes and spiders in the general's bed, armadillos carrying the deadly earth-eating disease rooting under the barracks and adopted as mascots by the regiment as dysentery and malaria take their toll. The sieges could not but present a series of military disasters. There is no stopping the Articulated. The white man is retroactively relieved of his burden. Whites will be welcomed as workers, settlers, teachers, and technicians, but not as colonists or masters. No man may violate the Articles.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:00 AM
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14. impressive
thanks for sharing. i've always vbeen fascinated with the connection between the dispersal of the Templars (after the Pope's sanction) and the sudden rise of the "voyages of discovery" and the "freedom pirates"...

I recommend highly "The Columbus Conspiracy",
by Michael Bradley.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:45 AM
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3. Oh yeah...
Every day I'm tempted to find some job within a branch of the evil empire just because they generally pay so much better. A woman I know works at Microsoft and she says it's just the greatest place to work, and no doubt she's making six figures in her mid thirties.

Or insurance... it's a damn license to steal, and I'm tired of being screwed by them, so it's tempting to at least get on the right side of that arrangement.

Am also tempted to buy Halliburton stock because you just KNOW it's going to keep going up for the next year, and beyond of GWB manages to steal the next one.

Or maybe figure out SOME way to really strike a blow against WalMart... raising the black flag is DEFINITELY called for with those f uckers.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:00 AM
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5. That's the spirit!
As far as Wal mart is concerned, if they;re "always lowering their prices", why don't we just wait until everything is free?

http://members.shaw.ca/rb.ham/articles/02-01-05-walmart.htm
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:05 AM
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7. oh just a dozen times a day or so
and I ain't talking about Qwest.

If everybody in America got as angry as I am, it would be over in about a day.

Why all of America doesn't feel the way I do is a great mystery to me.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 03:07 AM
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8. I can't believe you people are talking about WalMart and Microsoft!
Good God! They're just corporations, they're entities doing what they're allowed to do!

It's the "who" who's doing all the allowing that's the problem.

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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 07:46 AM
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15. Are you all voting for Kucinich or Sharpton, then?
Because voting for real change is a helluva lot easier and less risky than 'hoisting the black flag', and those who won't even do the former are very unlikely to ever do more than talk about the latter.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:05 PM
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16. Supporting Kucinich or Sharpton...
Is sort of like a metaphorical raising of the Black Flag.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:10 PM
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18. Shiver me timbers, that's why I'm voting for Kucinich!
We need someone who will actually try to reverse the Reagan revolution, not just put bandages on it.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 12:08 PM
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17. ever since Reagan was re-elected
it's been war
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dawgman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 04:35 PM
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20. read my sig line.
nt.
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