911 Bush Knew ....3 confrontations in one car trip

[proud patriot]

3 confrontations in one car trip

As many of you know , I'm on the front lines
with my Bumpstickers and Yard Signs . well
recently after Bomb Iran was written on my car
with window chalk I decided window chalk would be
great to use on my car too . So yesterday I wrote
"911 Bush Knew" on three windows of my car .

My husband son and I were driving out to pick up my husbands
new truck (new to us) when I noticed a car behind me tail
gating . I was in the fast lane traveling the same speed
as the cars in front of me in heavy traffic. well this fellow
must not of liked what he saw on my car cause he was then
determined to flip us off and pass us .

he was right next to us and tried to give my 6 foot
210lb linebacker of a husband the evil eye , but when
my husband turned to meet him eye to eye proudly this
bozo eyes fell . He had to fall back in his lane and
was otherwise driving stupidly . So the next time we
are next to each other My son and Husband flash him
peace signs with big ol smiles on their faces ,Bozo was
simulating Masterbation .. we had to turn not far after
that . I drop my husband off and head back home with my
son who needed a potty stop pretty quickly .

We pull into a Denny's so my son can relieve himself .
While standing outside the restroom waiting I noticed
a soldier sitting alone eating in fatigues . While
exiting Denny's I thanked the soldier he seemed surprised
so I said " I thank you for being a soldier" he said
"your welcome" so we headed out to the car. I saw group of
3 who looked like bikers to me, standing around my
car . I take a deep breathe and held my head high and
said "I've got to support the Constitution" as I approached
my car . "I agree with everything you have here" came out
of the big guys mouth so we talked a little bit . They
had questions about 911 , I gave them some starting points
to research, we wished each other well and went our way .

We are almost home, coming to a stop passing a car and
this bozo #2 yells out of his car at my son and I
"You're retarded" ... I don't even give this one
the satifaction of yelling back he was about 4 cars back .
I not crazy but had I been stopped right next to him
I would of gotten Patriotic on him .

Woo Hoo ... I haven't had so much feedback in a long time .
when I wrote "Bush Lied How many Died ?" nothing repukes silent .

well "911 Bush Knew" Really gets under their skin

everything else on my car Supports the Constitution and the Troops

Hazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !

[prolesunited]

1. Thank you for the courage

you have shown in continuing to speak out. :yourock:

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[Fleshdancer]

4. go to a pub???

Yeah, because alcohol is a great idea when debating.

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[info being]

8. My point is that when you're driving, pay attention to driving

We don't need to get everyone's adrenaline going on the freeway, thanks.

[proud patriot]

17. hi again

I'm a homemaker I drive approx. 15 miles a week .

I believe It is my duty to do this to "get adrenaline up"
I hope it keeps them awake all night tossing and turning .

[commander bunnypants]

6. Hey I rained one some ones parade the other day

Chill out. She is allowed to debate any way she wishes.


DDQM

I learned we support each others different styles.

[info being]

11. Like I said, I support the message but

hope she lives far away from me.

[Lorien]

22. Talk about childish!

"I hope she lives far away from me."why so fearful? without open dissent, we in this country would be singing "God save the Queen" today! I don't believe for a second that you support the message, otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did. The message frightens many people, because the whole notion of "those in charge" being unwilling or unable to protect them is too disturbing. Some need their illusions more than the truth to feel safe from the boogyman at night, but the only way to actually aquire sercurity in this case is to face the truth and all the ugliness that comes with it.

[info being]

53. Wrong. I know Bush knew

I was saying that weeks after 9/11. I place absolutely zero faith in anything about this corrupt system.

I posted what I did because she sounded like a 16 year old driving around town trowing water balloons out the window or something. Progressives should be better than that.

[MadHound]

31. Sorry bub, but it is called Free Speech, you know, the First Amendment

She can speak when and where she pleases. She is also allowed to put what she wants on her vehicle. Deal with it, we're in America.

[info being]

49. Careful with the free speech stuff...you're at DU

Kind of ironic that my post was deleted...censorship.

[Mikimouse]

13. Umm, not sure that I understand your post

please clarify. Do you mean that having political and provocative messages on the windows is childish and ridiculous? I respectfully disagree with that, if that is your intention. One need only to look around to see the opposite end of the continuum to see that RWers are not hesitating to decorate their vehicles with all kinds of obnoxious sheep dip. Should we be silent about our beliefs?

[info being]

16. I mean there is a time and a place

We're turning into a culture of disfunctional freaks who can only communicate from within our steel boxes. Its a great analogy of everything that's wrong with this country.

My opinion.

[proud patriot]

24. This I agree with

I invite people who yell at my house to get out of their
cars to debate . I invite debate everywhere . Mostly
all I want is for my bumberstickers to make people think .

I don't yell at people who's bumper stickers I dissagree
with .

[PsN2Wind]

14. A pub

Do you drive on the right or just think that way? In my America, proud patriots are allowed to air their point of view. Free speech isn't considered "childish", it's a birthright.

[proud patriot]

15. Excuse me ..

I do not debate on Freeways . I'm sure you've seen
the cars driving around with window chalk , my view
is fine thank you . I drive a Stationwagon .

the rightwing bozos are the ones driving like fools
around me trying to debate me. I have a time or two
challenged them to get out of their cars to talk,
but they are always chicken ..Bwak bwak bwak LOL

I haven't had an accident of speeding ticket for 12
years and get a good drivers discount on my insurance .

[info being]

18. You're stooping to their level

and you just sound childish. Is this how we're going to make progress?

[proud patriot]

20. you don't know me and you've made accusations against me n/t

[PsN2Wind]

35. Careful Proud patriot

Or you'll be challenged to a game of darts!

[arcane1]

36. what level are you on?

I suppose you think that we should just keep quiet and keep our opinions to ourselves? Yeah, that works

sadly, in the US you are allowed to put messages, stickers, etc, on your car. Sad but true, we lovers of free speech just have to learn to live with that :eyes:

[Rainbowreflect]

21. Have you ever heard of free speech?

Maybe we can make a few people think a little. You might try that yourself.

[info being]

46. I tried that on this thread

And the moderators deleted my message. They told me the message was "innapropriate".

Screw that. I don't care if they delete my account. I'm embarrased to be associated with a community where any questioning of someone's behaviour is banned.

I support free speech. DU does not.

[PsN2Wind]

56. You seem very supportive

of free speech as long as you're the one talking.

[info being]

57. If it were up to me, there'd be no censorship at DU

You'd all be surprised at how our thinking would evolve if we were able to truly express ourselves here. We all have blind-sides, and we all benefit (in the long-run) when someone calls us on it.

I think all the censorship here leads to an intellectually stale environment. I'm not growing by spending time here. It's comfortable, sure, but so is church.

[PsN2Wind]

58. Yet, you want to censor

what proud patriot can display on her car. Seems to be you're a bit conflicted on freedom of speech. You have the right to say almost anything you want here, no matter how asinine. So keep posting but be prepared to take your lumps.

[cryofan]

23. We need MORE people with sign on their cars

That is exactly what we need: signs and bumperstickers standing up for what we believe in .....

[Dissenting_Prole]

34. More like this?

[xchrom]

26. proud patriot is one of the most courageous

and brightest people figghting this stupidity going on since 9-11 that you would ever have the priveledge to meet.
you on the other hand have displayed a rude ignorance that i rarely see displayed.
have your knuckles developed callouses from dragging on the ground?

[arcane1]

33. um, ok

got something against stickers on one's car?

or does 9/11 bush knew hit too close to home?

[info being]

47. I know Bush knew

You got me wrong. I believe Bush perpetrated 9/11. I thought the tone of the message was very childish. I thought adults should be more responsible while operating vehicles. That's all.

[arcane1]

60. childish message?

How so? You essentially said the same thing in your post...

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

37. I'm with you!

No opinions! No one must EVER have an opinion and express it in any manner except the ones YOU approve!

Thank the deities you are out there to make these decisions for us, so we don't break our widdle bwains. :eyes:

[info being]

51. No opinions must fall outside of the tastes of the moderators!

pathetic.

[Fleshdancer]

3. now that takes ovaries!

Brave and honest. I applaud you!

[Nomad559]

7. I applaud you also

Have you seen this video?

http://freeweb.siol.net/laserpl3/anduril/Bush-Caught-Off-Guard.mpg

[proud patriot]

28. Yes ..that was of the things that helped me

decide to write 911 bush knew on my car ..Great Video
everyone should watch it ..

[Sparkle]

41. I have been trying for days to view this video.

With no success. I have tried at home and now at work. It downloads but some error always shows up. Other mpegs play fine but this particular one I have problems with. I really want to see this video.

[leftchick]

9. Proud......you are indeed a

Patriot!!!! Do not let the naysayers ever deter you ...... Because....hint: read my sig!

[1songbird]

10. Be careful and make sure you park far away from other cars.

I've had to do this simply because of door dings that started showing up after I put my Clark04 stickers on my car. Life in the bastion of conservatism. I applaud your courage.

[proud patriot]

19. My husband is a Dent removal technician

PDR Paintless Dent Removal

[1songbird]

25. Oh that is perfect. :) n/t

[AnnabelLee]

12. Keep speaking, er, writing out

I know you live across the country from me...I wish you lived closer! Thanks for the report, you do us proud!:hi:

[xchrom]

27. you're awesome

as usual proud patriot.
keep those burrs under their saddles!

[Sparkle]

29. Wow! You are very brave for doing that.

I'm in Texas and I'm too chicken george to do something like that. I hope that you have a flag decal on your car too. As other posters have pointed out, don't let the wingnuts steal the flag from us. In other words, they pretend to be more patriotic than us liberals.

[adriennel]

30. I resisted bumper stickers for so long

but now that my car is getting older and dumpier I've been adding stickers like crazy. I try to balance them though; Red Wings logo, typical hippie sun/moon sticker, the M, and "Bush Lies, People Die".
I get a lot of looks, but no one has specifically spoken to me about it.

I was kind of pissed off once. Every year we buy our Christmas tree from the local Lions association, because we like to support local organizations. This year, as they loaded the tree into the back of my truck, they saw my "Bush Lies" sticker, and from that point on, they were down right rude and dismissive of me. I did not think this was fair, it is not like I initiated a debate. I have to right to express myself through non-verbal methods and you have a right to ignore me. But we won't be buying our Christmas tree from the Dexter Lions next year!

[arcane1]

32. uh-oh, they better not make you go patriotic!

they wouldn't like you when you're patriotic :evilgrin:


it was just the merest hint that Bush may have just merely dropped the ball on 9/11 that finally got my dad into debating with me. It's a touchy subject because repubes know that if 9/11 had happened to a Dem they would be all over him

:yourock:

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[arcane1]

40. How did Bush respond to the Cole attack??

Did he respond to the July and August warnings of a possible hijacking?

yeah, he responded by going to Crawford for a MONTH, while silently telling Ashcrofy not to fly commercial


Sorry bub, you wanna get after Clinton for not doing something about the Cole, 2 months before he left office, then you have to hold Bush to the SAME STANDARD. Clinton had 2 months to respond to the Cole, while Bush had NINE!


WHAT DID BUSH DO? :shrug:


*patiently waits for a cut-n-pasted form answer*

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[Efilroft Sul]

48. Better get your facts straight, Thrak.

The lies about Clinton not taking bin Laden from Sudan, debunked here by no less than the Washington Moonie Times (hardly a liberal bastion). Here’s a snip:

No one should believe these allegations by Mr. Miniter's source, Fateh Erwa — a Sudanese intelligence officer known for his penchant to deceive — that there was an offer to hand bin Laden over to the United States. Certainly, no offer was ever conveyed to any senior official in Washington. Had the Sudanese been serious about offering bin Laden to the United States, they could have communicated such an offer to any number of senior Clinton administration officials. It did not happen.

Mr. Miniter also claims that Sudan repeatedly tried to provide voluminous intelligence files on bin Laden to the CIA, the FBI, and senior Clinton administration officials and would be "repeatedly rebuffed through both formal and informal channels." Absurd. In fact, it was precisely the other way around.

On multiple occasions, and in venues ranging from Addis Ababa to Virginia, Washington, New York and Khartoum, the United States aggressively pressed the Sudanese to prove their alleged commitment to cooperating on terrorism, by severing their close ties with known terrorists, arresting specific individuals and providing specific intelligence information to us. Yet, despite frequent promises of cooperation, presumably in the hopes of getting off the terrorism list and out from under U.N. sanctions, the Sudanese consistently failed to deliver.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030922-090026-8355r.htm

OWNED.

[Minstrel Boy]

50. how couldn't Bush have known?

"Egyptian intelligence warned American officials about a week before Sept. 11 that Osama bin Laden's network was in the advance stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, President Hosni Mubarak said in an interview on Sunday."
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/04/national/04WARN.html

"A key point in unraveling why the FBI failed to follow up leads on Al Qaeda terrorism now centers on the Bureau's contemptuously brushing aside warnings from French intelligence a few days before 9-11."
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0222/ridgeway2.php

"Weeks before the terrorist attacks on 11 September, the United States and the United Nations ignored warnings from a secret Taliban emissary that Osama bin Laden was planning a huge attack on American soil."
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=331115

"When the hubbub about what the White House did or didn't know before Sept. 11 dies down, Congressional or other investigators should consider the specific warnings that friendly Arab intelligence services sent to Washington in the summer of 2001."

http://www.iht.com/articles/58269.html

"Britain gave President Bush a categorical warning to expect multiple airline hijackings by the al-Qaeda network a month before the September 11 attacks which killed nearly 3000 people and triggered the international war against terrorism."
http://www.sundayherald.com/24822

"Israeli intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent."
http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$52PMOXQAADW5PQFIQMGSFFOAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wcia16.xml&sSheet=/news/2001/09/16/ixhome

A warning from Moroccan Intelligence: a secret agent, Hassan Dabou, had penetrated al Qaeda for two years, breaking cover the summer of 2001 to warn of "spectacular" attacks in New York in the summer or autumn of 2001. "Secret service chiefs are said to have taken seriously the tip from one of its veteran informants and immediately passed on the details to Washington."
The Times of London, June 12, 2002

"One such CIA briefing, in July 2001, was particularly chilling and prophetic. It predicted that Osama bin Laden was about to launch a terrorist strike 'in the coming weeks,' the congressional investigators found. The intelligence briefing went on to say: 'The attack will be spectacular and designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning.'"
http://www.msnbc.com/news/907379.asp?0cv=CB10

"An FBI supervisor, sounding a prophetic pre-Sept. 11 alarm, warned FBI headquarters that student pilot Zacarias Moussaoui was so dangerous he might 'take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center,' a congressional investigator said in a report Tuesday."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=512&ncid
=716&e=4&u=/ap/20020924/ap_on_go_co/attacks_intelligence

"US intelligence agencies received many more indications than previously disclosed that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network was planning imminent "spectacular" attacks in the summer of 2001 aimed at inflicting mass casualties."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36754-2002Sep18.html

An Iranian man known as Ali S. in a German jail waiting deportation repeatedly phones US law enforcement to warn of an imminent attack on the WTC in the week of September 9-15. He calls it "an attack that will change the world." After a month of badgering his prison guards, he is finally able to call the White House 14 times in the days before the attack. He then tries to send a fax to Bush, but is denied permission hours before the 9/11 attacks. German police later confirm the calls. Prosecutors later say Ali had no foreknowledge and his forebodings were just a strange coincidence. They say he is mentally unstable. Similar warnings also come from a Moroccan man being held in a Brazilian jail. Deutsche Presse-Agentur, 9/13/01, Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01, Sunday Herald, 9/16/01

And then there's David Schippers, former Chief Investigative Counsel for the US House Judiciary Committee and head prosecutor responsible for conducting the Clinton impeachment:

Schippers received information from "impeccable" US intelligence sources, including FBI agents, that a massive attack was being planned by terrorists targeting the financial district of lower Manhattan. (He went public with this two days after the attack in an interview with WRRK in Pittsburgh.) He said he had tried warning Ashcroft and other officials six weeks before the attacks.

"According to Schippers, these agents knew, months before the attacks, the names of the hijackers, the targets of their attacks, the proposed dates, and the sources of their funding, along with other information. At least two weeks prior to 11th September, the FBI agents again confirmed that an attack on lower Manhattan, orchestrated by Osama bin Laden, was imminent. However, the FBI command cut short their investigations into the impending terrorist attacks and those involved, threatening the agents with prosecution under the National Security Act if they publicised information pertaining to their investigations.

"The agents subsequently sought the council of David Schippers in order to pressure elements in the US government to take action to prevent the attacks. Schippers warned many Congressmen and Senators, and also attempted to contact US Attorney General John Ashcroft without success, managing only to explain the situation to a lower-ranking Justice Dept. official who promised a return call from Ashcroft the next day. The Attorney General did not return the call despite the gravity of the situation. Schippers is now legally representing one FBI agent in a suit against the US government in an attempt to subpoena their testimony, so that he can legally speak about the blocked investigation on public record." (From Ahmed, The War on Freedom, pg 107)

FBI Special Agent Robert Wright "…an active FBI Special Agent filed a complaint last week concerning FBI/Justice Department interference in and mishandling of terrorist investigations. The FBI Special Agent, who wishes to remain anonymous at this time, alleges that he was retaliated against when he continued to push for and pursue certain terrorist investigations over the objections of his FBI and Justice Department supervisors." Judicial Watch Press Release, Nov 14 2001.

"On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly cancelled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns."
Newsweek, Sept 13, 2001

[Efilroft Sul]

55. Hey, Minstrel Boy!

You forgot to tell Thrak he's O W N E D !

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

61. He blames "Frank Church"

You know this is right wing talking points. Blame Clinton, sure, but to blame a true American hero like Church for "preventing FBI and CIA from sharing info" proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this troll not only hates America, but specifically our Constitution as well.

I hope I'm not breaking any rules, but this (argument) is Freeper trash.

[eissa]

39. You're brave

Your courage is inspirational. I'm somewhat ashamed to admit that I'm too chicken to put anything on my car. I'm in California, which people might think is the perfect place to place an anti-repuke sticker. But the area I live in is closer to Alabama than L.A. I'm almost positive that either my car or myself would suffer from some violent act if I placed anything anti-* on my car :-(

[DemExpat]

44. How I wish that people could feel free to make these statements....

but I honestly feel it is too risky - especially with children in the picture.
It's a great lesson if all goes well in standing up for what one believes, but I'm afraid that the possibility of something really ugly, violent happening would make me chose safety for my family over activism.

I was in therapy in the 70s with a woman whose father had been executed by the Germans here in The Hague - he had been active in the Dutch resistance. This woman's personal experience - the trauma of losing her Dad in that manner (along with anger that he had risked this!) - made me look at these things in a different light.

:-(

DemEx

[cmd]

45. Thank you.

Not everyone who fights for our country wears a uniform. You are doing a great service. Thanks again.

[rucky]

52. This post made me smile

a simple phrase that makes people think

and since the media's not doing it...

[Ksec]

54. You are very cool

You remind me of myself. I have signs denouncing Dr Evil Bush on my front windows of my home. Signs in the yard, bumperstickers on my car. Oh I get some looks but Im a 230 lb nose guard also so they usually dont last too long.

[prolesunited]

59. Interesting

that you would get so many more confrontations here. Go figure. :shrug:

[arcane1]

62. I would call it "curious" but

I think we know why....

[donsu]

63. good going proud patriot!

nt

[ElementaryPenguin]

64. I LOVE what you did, PP!!

We can overwhelm the Right with our tenacity - our relentless exposure of the truth - and we MUST!

[Bushknew]

65. You are brave

more power to ya

[pmbryant]

66. Quite a story!

Thanks for telling us this. And thanks for being so outspoken!

:bounce:

--Peter

[proud patriot]

67. I couldn't be any other way

I've always been very outspoken , sometimes
it's a good thing other times it's not .