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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:54 AM Original message |
Give me you best reasons for the Progressive Income Tax. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. to compensate inequality in income distribution |
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san antonio (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. One thing you're forgetting... |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Strawman alert!!! |
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san antonio (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Ummm. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:42 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. No! Don't go into your hole! |
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san antonio (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Thanks |
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Valarauko (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. STRAWMAN ALERT II! |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. They should justify making that much more money |
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Valarauko (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. What do you mean? |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
82. And management thinks that only they know the best way to do anything |
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matt53 (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. that's pretty rare |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
85. Here is a link with corporate wages |
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nhtfopo (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
47. It's called supply and demand |
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political virginian (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. Incone is EARNED, not DISTRIBUTED |
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prolesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:04 AM Original message |
Prepping for the show tomorrow? |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. Yep. Already written some of it. |
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prolesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Here's something you may find useful |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. People who make more benefit more from the status quo |
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alpizzy (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Expanding on the idea of... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
6. I can't say it better than Dennis does |
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Coldgothicwoman (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
7. Social Viability |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. This is the one I buy |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. Since the tax cuts, they don't pay that much anymore |
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trogdor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
8. progressive (small p) taxation is the most equitable means... |
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meti57b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
11. The wealthy have created an economy and society that benefits themselves. |
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fishguy (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
12. Look at Network Lobby website |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
86. Did a quick check and I like it |
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brainshrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
13. Watch me get in trouble: |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. With a big caveat |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. It's not evenly applied if low incomes are exempt. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:17 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. ROTFLMAO! |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Yes it is |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. They get the same (edit: except the AMT) rates now. |
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brainshrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. OMG!! |
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apsuman (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:48 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. agreed n/t |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. No trouble, just a question. |
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brainshrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
33. No |
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Valarauko (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
69. I don't believe in progressive taxation either. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Then I guess you like, believe in, Regressive Taxation? |
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Valarauko (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. How so? |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Why should the very poor pay less than the simply poor? |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:42 AM Response to Reply #70 |
90. It is worse in states and local taxes. |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. No trouble, just some disagreement... |
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brainshrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
35. Answers: |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. OK, I've found a few openings here... |
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brainshrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Here are some more answers |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Thanks for the SS answers, but I'd appreciate answers for... |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:48 AM Response to Reply #44 |
91. I agree with eliminating the cap. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. How about a "flat income" too? |
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Valarauko (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
75. I don't believe inheritance should be taxed in the first place |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:52 AM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Inheritance is income |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. There is a reason you'd the only liberal who thinks this |
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matt53 (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. Flat taxes are the bane of rich republicans AND democrats with connections |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Studies have shown that a flat tax would have to increase |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
66. It all depends on the floor and what you tax |
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Valarauko (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
68. You're not the only liberal who thinks that way. |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
72. Didn't we discuss this before? |
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Valarauko (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. And? |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. No one is denying the wealthy men more money |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
89. There was a study and it found that the flat tax would cost us more |
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prisonerseven (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
14. Because wealth redistributrion is good for the less wealthy people |
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Hammie (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:02 PM Response to Reply #14 |
64. Hello? |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
15. Discretionary Income |
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Code_Name_D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Thus, progresive income tax helps to secure an adiqute money supply. |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 07:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
63. Actually, the money in savings acocunts is not locked up. |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
49. I refer to this as "taxing REAL-LIFE disposable income" |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
22. There are several distinct arguments |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Or just say that progressive taxation is the only alternative to communism |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
24. Best reason to me is |
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seasat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
26. Progressive tax mobility enhances social mobility |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
37. umm...just look at the social democracies of Europe |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. also read the thread "fighting for the welfare state" |
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matt53 (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. How long will that last? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
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matt53 (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 07:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. oh, come on |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. First off, Western Europe is not "socialist" |
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matt53 (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 07:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Not according to the previous article |
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cryofan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 09:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. your labels do not make your arguments for you here on DU |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
41. We don't live in isolation |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
51. Simple. Class war. A truly progressive income tax is fair. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
52. My idea about taxation? |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
79. I like that |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
54. Wealth should be taxed at a higher rate than Labour |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:06 AM Response to Reply #54 |
83. OK and could you suggest a why for that ? |
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DjTj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
56. Everyone gives up an equal amount of utility. |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Good points. I think the "flat tax" proponants, the honest ones... |
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fob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
58. No Taxation Without Representation! |
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arewethereyet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
84. ask a DC resident about that |
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Hammie (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
62. It is simple really |
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not systems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
65. Prevent the creation and continuation of oligarchies. |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
80. The way I see it... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-03 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
81. Because the poor live closer to the margins |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-03 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
88. Because, if you do the math, it makes sense. |
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