Email I received: "I wish I had terrorists like that on my side."

[DuctapeFatwa]

Let me start by saying that I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. I don't think Russia were involved in the JFK assassination, or that Area 51 is home to aliens. I am a rational person, who I like to believe, thinks logically.

So lets look at recent events in a logical way.

On November 20th 2003, London was gearing up for a huge protest against the visit of President Bush. The media had been hyping up the protests, as the largest protests 'ever seen against a head of State'. More people were expected to attend than had ever protested against Saddam, or Mugabe.

However, Bush seemed unnerved. He would smile when asked about the protests and he said it didn't affect him at all. I couldn't understand this. This man was being told he was the most hated man on the planet, and yet he didn't seem to mind. Almost as if he 'knew' somethingno-one else did.

The news of Michael Jacksons sex scandals were given 2nd rate coverage in light of the protests, which would culminate in a ceremonious 'toppling' of Bush's effigy, to replicate the staged toppling of Saddams in Baghdad.

I was thinking all the while, unless the world should end, there is no way Bush can divert the worlds media attention from this. If anything, there was nothing he could do, to avoid the British public from seeing that his war against terror was a phoney war. I was hoping the worlds media would broadcast the protests and images of the toppling effigy would be beamed throughout the world. Bush's calmness unnerved me.

It just wasn't logical.

On 20th November, I woke up expecting the news to be full of the protests. But it wasn't.

Someone had bombed the British consulate and HQ of the HSBC bank in Istanbul.

At 09:10 GMT the first blast had gone off outside the HSBC HQ, and minutes later, the second bomb went off. At 09:18 GMT, news channels in Britain were stating 'Al-Qaeda has bombed the British consulate'.I didn't understand. I watched the tv, to see how they had already figured out within 6 minutes that Al-Qaeda had done this. I searched frantically and all I could find were statements being released 'the bombings had all the hallmarks of Al-Qaeda'. I wonder even now, what these 'hallmarks' are.

I was at work, and I joked to a friend, that soon an e-mail would arrive at some Arab newspaper, where Al-Qaeda would acceptresponsibility. By lunchtime, a Turkish newspaper had received that e-mail. To this day, Al-Qaeda hasn't accepted responsibility for 9-11, 'their crowning achievement'. The faked CIA tape of a fake Bin Ladin, gloating about 9-11, has funnily stopped being shown on tv, since it was ripped to shreds by all who saw it. Al-Qaeda hasn't owned up to any of the terrorist acts that it is blamed of. Not until the perpetrators are in custody, do any admissions come out.

The Bali bombings, the first WTC, the Karachi hotel bombings, the Kandahar hijacking, 9-11.nothing. Al-Qaeda just don't do that. They don't admit they have done anything. Well not until recently, well..not until the US bombed Afghanistan and 'destroyed Al-Qaeda's communications capability'. Not until, Al-Qaeda's network has been dismantled, and the cells under close watch, and all communications between Bin Ladin and his followers, is now being made via messenger boys on donkeys. When Khalid Sheikh was arrested, he even said that Al Qaeda was no longer using e-mails or telephones to keep in touch, as it was too risky, and the CIA had tapped everything.

So I don't understand how these messenger boys send the e-mails on their donkeys.

It just isn't logical.

As the crowds gathered for the beginning of the protests, Bush and Blair gave a televised address to the world. They re-affirmed the war on terror, and cited the Istanbul bombings as an example of the kind of terror they were trying to fight.

Bush seemed to have almost memorised what to say, through days of practice. He condemned the acts and in his now familiar stage voice told the invasion on Iraq, was part of the fight against terrorism. I didn't know Saddam was part of Al-Qaeda until recently. Actually, I don't think Saddam knew he was part of Al Qaeda until recently.

The news networks all over the world were showing the picturing of bloodied faces, and the carnage in Istanbul. There was a small side mention of the 150,000 protestors who had marched through London, and toppled the effigy of Bush. But nothing more.

I sat there and watched Bush's interview again. The smile, the confidence. It was just perfect.

If ever there was a time that the US and UK needed an attack to occur against BRITISH interests, it was well.at about 09:10 GMT on 20 November 2003.

Many commentators have said that the 9-11 attacks happened at the right time for the US. And I think it is even more clear today that the Istanbul attacks have happened at just the right time for Bush and Blair.

Either Al-Qaeda doesn't know what it is doing, or this wasn't Al Qaeda. Al-Qaeda want the world to see the evil that Bush and Blair are doing. And the protests would have done that. There was no need to bomb Istanbul. The only, and reiterate ONLY people to benefit from the bombings are Bush and Blair. It diverted attention from the protests, to the 'terrorists'.

I wish I had terrorists like that on my side. The kind that bomb the UN in Baghdad, the day after the UN say that US forces should leave Iraq.


The kind that bomb a Bali nightclub, the week 250,000 Australians took to the streets to protest the war. The kind that bomb a Riyadh compound full of Arabs, when Saudi Arabian citizens are beginning to become increasingly vociferous in their condemnation of the Iraq invasion and occupation.

Since 9-11, and some say including 9-11, Al Qaeda has practically done everything the US govt would ask its CIA to do. They have killed muslims. They have killed their European supporters. They have timed each
bombing to maximise the amount of criticism they will receive and minimise the support for their actions.

Is that the actions of the 'biggest threat to mankind, freedom and democracy' ? Logic tells me, that it isn't Al-Qaeda at all.

Now tell me, what does logic tell you ?

[grok]

1. Al Queda is MUCH smarter than you think..

However, the people they have trained and have unleashed, are uncoordinated with the central core. So they can't attack for maximum demoralizing effect. Quite stupid actually. To actually think just maximum carnage is enough. They have no sence of political timing. Their own worst enemy. And ours.

Bin Laden Upset At The Killing Of Muslims In Turkish Blasts
Dec 18, 2003
Source: The Irish Independent
Osama bin Laden proposed attacking a Turkish military base used by the United States, but militants stymied by tight security bombed civilian targets instead, killing Muslims and upsetting al-Qa'ida leaders, Turkish officials said yesterday.
The information came from interrogations of a top suspect in last month's deadly bombings in Istanbul that authorities believe were carried out by Turkish militants trained by al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan. The suspect, Fevzi Yitiz, told interrogators that bin Laden approved attacks in Turkey on condition that Turks were not killed, a top intelligence source said. But the militants instead bombed two synagogues, a London-based bank and the British Consulate, killing 62 people, mostly Muslims.
The attacks appear to be part of a growing trend in terrorism - bombings by al-Qa'ida trained activists who have returned to their home countries and are maintaining only weak ties with the central group, terrorism experts say.
"They planned and carried out the attack independently after receiving the blessing of bin Laden," said the Turkish intelligence official who is part of the investigation. The Istanbul bombings, simultaneous attacks against two synagogues on November 15 and two attacks against British targets only five days later, bore the signature of al-Qa'ida, an anti-terrorism police official said. A break in the case came when Yitiz was arrested on December 10 after infiltrating Turkey from Iran. Yitiz, a bearded man who appears to be about 30, confessed to police that he was trained by al-Qa'ida in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, in 1994 and helped make the bombs used in the attacks inside a front workshop called "Rainbow Detergents" that was set up in an industrial section of Istanbul. Yitiz told police that two of his accomplices - Habib Aktas and Ibrahim Kus, who have been identified as key suspects - met with bin Laden in Afghanistan in 2002. The two militants told bin Laden "they wanted to do something in Turkey for the jihad," the intelligence official said. Yitiz told police bin Laden replied, "I am approving it on condition that it is directed against the Americans and their allies but not the Turks."
The killing of mostly Muslim Turks led top al-Qa'ida officials to criticize the attacks, according to Yitiz. Almost all of the world's terrorist attacks attributed to al-Qa'ida since 9/11 have taken place in Muslim countries.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.hts/front/2301277
(sorry about the source, but I DID read it in my local paper too)

Grok

[Devlzown]

2. I'm not sure Al Qaeda exists.

I know that just because I've never seen any members of Al Qaeda doesn't mean they don't exist, but we've all been lied to so much that I have no reason to accept their word about the existence of Al Qaeda.

[Name removed]

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[mac56]

27. Welcome, newbie.

A friendly word of advice: You may want to find another intelligent way to respond to questions like that. You'll be happier here.

Again, welcome.

[Mis-an-thrope1111]

3. every time al qaeda makes a move...

Bush's hand gets stronger...


think about it

EVERY TIME

Not to mention the Anthrax terrorist

For not having any sense of political timing, their political timing is uncanny

My conclusion:

Al Qaeda is the boogeyman they wheel out when its time to go to sleep

[madrchsod]

4. logic tells me

the black death of nazism has mutated into the plague that is sweeping across our world today. we killed the cats and we live in our filth, we are destined to die.

[Charlls]

5. at this point i dont know what to think about this whole issue

Call me crazy, but now i only believe in one answer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=25124

[maggrwaggr]

6. I'm with you on this one

I'm not a conspiracy theorist either, never was one bit.

It just shows how these folks have managed to wrap the media around their little fingers that they can spew out anything as "the official story", no matter how absurd.

And anything that isn't the "official story" is then labelled "nutty" or "conspiracy theorist".

I wish I could do that in my life.

"Honey, no, I didn't cheat on you, and the fact that you've found some other woman's pubic hairs in my teeth is no indication that I cheated on you. In fact, your insistence that I've cheated just means that you are seriously delusional and need to be locked up".

[mindless]

7. LOLOLOL...cause Al-Qaeda attacks on day of Shrub protests?

I am fairly new here but that is tin-foil hat if I ever heard it. If what you say is true then Clinton was lying when he spoke of al-qlaeda and osama. NOOOOO they dont exist!!!! Well they did exist in the 90s and President Clinton said so many times.

As for why they are blowing up other tagets. Obvious, easy to hit and they for many in a row, were pro US. Hit the UN, A way to try to enrage the rest of the world. Hit the Red Cross, same reason.

Please lose the tin foil and open eyes. They dont want any democracy of any sort in the world unless it is muslim.

Sorry I dont mean to be inflamitory. But sometimes reality is obvious and tin foil needs to be used for cooking.

[Charlls]

8. he didnt mean necessarily that Al-Quaida doesnt exist

Only that some of the more 'figurative' recent attacks attributed to them may well be done by 'someonelse'

[mindless]

10. Is that meant to assume that we here have more

intellgence then the intellegence communities of all these countries?

[Charlls]

11. depends whose interests you assume

other countries intelligence agencies attend

[mindless]

13. Even the Saudis are picking em up now...

And its cause al- Q is admitting to it. And even if it isnt al-Q, do you accept terrorists attacts as ok? They could change the name everyday or add new groups daily. Do you accept terrorists as a normal part of society? I dont understand why it is wrong to stop them.

[Charlls]

15. the question would be

if the terrorist argument isnt being used as a decoy for intervention

pearl harbour? ring a bell?

[Mis-an-thrope1111]

9. tinfoil?

you think because clinto was a demo he was a hero or something?


I hate to be rude, but I fear your handle may be accurate

can you tell the nice people who trained Osama?

[mindless]

12. Yours may be accurate also....

I was pointing out that if al-qauda was a myth, then it was also held by Clinton. Please try to read a post before making judgment. Thank you.

[mindless]

14. I need to go to bed so I guess I am bed laden tonight

:) Have a good night and see ya soon, I hope :-)

[interceptor]

16. It wasn't just Clinton

His DCI and Democrats in Congress recognized Al Qaeda as a threat, and so has the UN. They do "exist," in other words. The UN is trying to reorganize its counter-terrorism branch to deal with them more effectively, and Kofi Annan is starting to lean on member states to close down the money loopholes and weapons-smuggling (non-WMD :) ) that they depend on.

Here's who the UN says Al Qaeda "is" (or at least was back in March).

http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/committees/1267/pdflist.pdf

[Don Claybrook]

17. I always get something thought-provoking from your posts

I've been wondering, too, whether Al Qaeda is our replacement for the Soviet Union as a means to spend trillions of dollars on unneeded defense. Sure, there's really a guy named Osama who really had an organization called Al Qaeda, but has our government inflated it way beyond its real and one-time parameters. I think so.

Who benefits from all of these bombings?

Good point. Thanks for bringing it up.

[Charlls]

18. exactly

[AngryAmish]

22. Ring-Ring

[K8-EEE]

19. I Thought The Gave The Green Light on MJ....

cuz of the Shrub protests! I really did...cuz here the news was Michael Michael Michael, I pictured GWB picking up the phone and phoning in a favor to our new gov to move on that, LOL!

O dunno it's just such a strange GWB Bush world we live in now! SURREAL!

[Don Claybrook]

20. And now they've stopped an Al Qaeda drug boat

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/19/alqaeda.drugbust/index.html

As someone in the referenced thread asked, how did they know the drug runners were Al Qaeda? Were they wearing their "I Heart Al Qaeda" T-shirts?

[PsychoDad]

21. They may be evil terraists

But they are very considerate of bush. Always willing to help in diverting the media from the scandel or embarassment of the day.

The truly sad thing about all this, to me, is that we can no longer have any trust in our government or media, none.

[Ficus]

23. if you watch Al Qaeda

they claim responsibility on their big terrorist acts before hand by releasing tapes. Bin Laden put one out pre-9/11. And before the Cole bombing, and before the embassy bombings, and so on....

[maggrwaggr]

24. Well we have proof that we've been lied to, so why believe what they say?

They lied about Iraq, they continiue to lie about Iraq, they've exposed a deep-undercover CIA agent .....

These people have no credibility at all.

So why should we believe anything they say?

They were willing to lie and wave forged documents in the air in order to GO TO WAR and KILL AMERICANS.

That's about as heinous as it gets.

I believe nothing they tell me any more.

Why should I?

They killed thousands of people in Iraq, what's a few more in Turkey if it helps them consolidate their power.

They have no respect for human life, or morals, or anything at all.

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[Charlls]

28. Good Lord

What a clever Argument, Virginian. Its satisfying when people really chew their jibba-jabba before spitting it out

[GiovanniC]

29. I've Been Saying This

For some time now. It's truly uncanny just how convenient every single attack is for Bush.