Keith Olbermann discussing 9-11 now!

[Jim Sagle]

Mentioned Clark's blast at w's failure to uphold his oath of office.

[Cush]

1. bah, missed it

will have to catch the replay tonight

[eleny]

2. And he interviewed Gary Hart, too

And then talked about the Atta-Iraq connection. Did he report that the "evidence" looked like a forgery? I was interrupted and didn't hear what he said. Just got a word here and there.

[Armstead]

5. He did

He said that and added that it seems to be the result of a thriving trade in forged Iraqi documents.

[blm]

7. and that's why Bush doesn't want to face Kerry.

His team has the REAL goods on Bush. Nothing theoretical, nothing outlandish. Just the facts.

[thebigidea]

9. I'd be rooting for Kerry like CRAZY if he actually used these facts

my god, I'd name my theoretical children Kerry-Bob and Kerry-Sue if he started smacking down Bush with those real goods.

I'm not much of a Clarkophile, but man - THAT'S what all the Dems need to be saying in lockstep.

[calimary]

13. So WHY IN THE HELL doesn't he use them, if he has the goods?

What on earth is he waiting for? We had a long thread about this last weekend. What is with Kerry, anyway? Does he even have a clue about what kind of avalanche of support he'd garner from those of us just sick to death of the bush lies and thievery and scams and crimes? Doesn't he realize that THIS is how you stop Dean-Dean-Dean-Dean, if he's really that frustrated that Dean has made so manyinroads? He's got that so-called "tactical nuke" to use against the bushies and he's just SITTING ON IT. What's he waiting for, an engraved invitation on a ketchup bottle?!!?!?!?!?

His failure to jump on this with both feet and both hands and everything else he's got, frankly, does NOT tell me good things about him as a possible president. What it does tell me is that he can't answer the question I'd ask him right now: Do you really want to win this or don't you? Do you want to fight for this or don't you? His actions so far tell me he doesn't really want to fight that hard, and therefore doesn't really want to win that badly. And we cannot have a "warrior" like that as our standard-bearer. We can't afford a "I'm holding back til the right time" guy. I am STILL at a loss to understand it. We should be hitting with both fists, softening bush up for the KO, and doing it NOW!! So far, Kerry doesn't even appear to be in the mood to put the gloves on.

[welshTerrier2]

18. a few comments

don't you think if kerry had the goods on bush AND was able to use them he would use them ???

your question is a good one ... why not use them ...

but your speculative answer is less convincing ... His actions so far tell me he doesn't really want to fight that hard, and therefore doesn't really want to win that badly. ... i just don't believe that ... at least not anymore ...

here's another question to add to yours ... Bob Graham headed the Senate intelligence committe ... he's given strong signals about the bush administrations role, or at least failures, re: 9/11 ... and yet, he's provided no evidence either ...

my belief is the motivation of those in the know to not go public with information is more complicated than you suggest ... could it be as simple as honoring their security clearances? perhaps, but it's hard to believe that if they had knowledge of bush's treasonous conduct and crimes against the country that even those sworn to secrecy wouldn't have a duty to come forward ...

so what, then?

like i said, your question's a good one ... i have no answers ... beating up on Kerry, though, for not coming forward doesn't seem to get to the heart of the matter ... i wish i knew what would ...

[thebigidea]

20. hmmm

"beating up on Kerry, though, for not coming forward doesn't seem to get to the heart of the matter ... "

at the same time, neither does hyping his inside knowledge and so forth without any actual inside knowledge and/or goods reaching our ears.

[bpilgrim]

22. dig it... it's not JUST kerry

it's half the fucking party imho.

the only thing that makes sense is that they think appeasement is a winning strategy - :shrug:

or that they are in on it :shrug:

or they are too worried about upsetting the STATUS QUO - thats the one i think most likely, from where i sit, not having all the facts and all.

so... here i sit, waiting and proding for a BETTER explaination, straight from the horses collective mouths.

now i am certainly not the brightest bulb on the tree thats for sure so i certainly may have heard it and just not got it... or maybe i missed it :shrug:

this campaign season oughtta be good.

:hi:

peace

[welshTerrier2]

26. some additional speculation

in the movie All the President's Men, their was a scene between Woodward and Deep Throat in the parking garage where Woodward innocently asks whether "Justice" (i.e. the Justice Department) knew about the coverup and all the associated "Watergate" crimes ...

suppose that the Democrats know the deck is stacked against them? suppose they know that any allegations they make would be shot down by the FBI, the CIA, and all three branches of government ... even if the press picked up the story, where would it go if there was no chance of a real investigation and a real prosecution ...

unless they think they could prove their case in the court of public opinion, it could be disasterous for democrats to level such potent allegations ... this is all assuming, of course, that there are no honest people left in positions of power anywhere in the government ... let's hope that's not the case ...

i agree with your main point, though ... sniping away at our candidates probably has very little to do with why this story hasn't come out ... perhaps it's all just the political risks going public would bring ... but i think it goes much deeper than that ...

[bpilgrim]

19. not to mention ENRON, PREVENTIVE WAR, WAR PROFITEERING

ssshhh... it's a SECRET ;->

peace

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

24. What you said, in spades.

If he would only grow a pair of SOMETHING ovoid and related to the procreation process, I could be swayed. Now is not the time for Good Ol' Senate Collegiality. We need candidates schooled in the political equivalent of Brazilian JuJitsu.

The only thing I can think of is that most of them know Kean has da' goods, and they are waiting for that turd to hit the punchbowl.

[Catherine Vincent]

27. I agree! And if he doesn't use the info now,

he damn better give up that info to the nominee if he doesn't win it to help our party out.

[eleny]

15. K.O.'s comments are always so "schweet"

It was a matter of time before the truth came out. But this must be record time for a Repug ploy. Maybe 2 days?

Thanks for telling me what he said!

[welshTerrier2]

16. Atta - Iraq connection

here's a replay of my post from yesterday ... newsweek wrote about the forgeries and the "trade in fraudulent Iraqi documents" ...

source: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3741646/ (Newsweek article)


A widely publicized Iraqi document that purports to show that September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta visited Baghdad in the summer of 2001 is probably a fabrication that is contradicted by U.S. law-enforcement records showing Atta was staying at cheap motels and apartments in the United States when the trip presumably would have taken place, according to U.S. law enforcement officials and FBI documents.

<snip>

The Telegraph story was apparently written with a political purpose: to bolster Bush administration claims of a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam's regime. The paper described a "handwritten memo" that was supposedly sent to Saddam Hussein by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, chief of Iraqi intelligence at the time. It describes a three-day "work program" that Atta had undertaken in Baghdad under the tutelage of notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal, who lived in the Iraqi capital until his death under suspicious circumstances in August 2002.

[pinto]

3. quotes Clark's blunt assessment of Bush* pre 9/11:

I papraphrase

...Nine months before 9/11 Bush took the oath that every Commander in Chief takes to defend the US. For nine months he failed to live up to that oath....

Very strong words.

[evil_orange_cat]

6. bravo... Clark might be the one to attack Bush over his 9-11 failures...

the buck stops with him...

[pinto]

10. Clark went on to say that Bush chose to focus on a missle defense

system and ignored warnings about al Qaeda.

That in itself fits with my gut take on B*shco....give 'em gee whiz! comic book geo political secret weapons and planning but spare 'em that day-to-day there's a guy with a gun down the street stuff...

[Cha]

4. It all comes back to 9/11!

That's where bushco dropped the ball Big Time and they should be held accountable instead of ..."the terrorist pres" bush is a TERRORIST all right! :grr:

[w13rd0]

12. Bush's presidency is BUILT ON S11....

...and the myth (coincidence theory) generated around that attack. That's the foundation of his "pillar"...if that crumbles, these men will be driven into their own "spidey holes"...

[leetrisck]

8. Was a good report

Happy about Clark's comments too.

[BootinUp]

11. Its too bad

Obermans show is like the lowest rated evening cable news show except for Abrahams, because he is also the only one covering the important stuff!

I'll give a small kudos to Matthews tonight for getting pretty tough on Peggy Noonan on whether Sadaam was personally involved in 911. 52% of Americans say yes.

[Norquist Nemesis]

14. Noonan the loonan

I was ROFLMAO with Noonan tonight. Matthews nailed her and she knew it!!!

[thebigidea]

17. Olbermann is saying all the right things

especially to that sickening squirrel Carlson.

"The Democrats don't need to prove that the President is evil." she says.

"George Bush is not the kind of person that's easy to hate."

uh, no.



looks like all that lobster went to her head.

[Mountainman]

23. If he is not easy to hate then why does the right talk about Dem hatred ?

All I'm hearing lately is Dems hate Bush. I think he is very easy to hate when you know the truth about him.

[Ksec]

21. Olbermann really went after it also

I must be in an alternate world where truth is truth and reality is real. They went after Bush on the Iraq war and lying about why.

Jeeeebus , media is actually doing there jobs for a change.

I like Olby, he is smart and stinging without being too blatant about it.

[kentuck]

25. K.O. was a KO tonight !

He cut right to the chase.