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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:47 PM
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unregistered single women the key voting block in 04?
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 11:16 PM by buycitgo
seen the articles on this:

"Unmarried women, given what they think and feel, are the group with the greatest potential to be agents of progressive change in this country because of their size, their desire for change, and their record of under-voting," says Page Gardner, manager of the "Women's Voices Women's Vote" project.

Never-married, divorced or widowed women constitute a whopping 24 percent of the electorate and 42 percent of all registered women voters. In the 2000 elections, they represented the same percentage of the electorate as Jews, blacks, and Latinos combined. In terms of voting muscle, few can compete with the girl power of this constituency.

The good news is that they overwhelmingly vote Democrat. In fact, when viewed strictly in terms of percentage points, Bush led by one point among married women in 2000, while unmarried women preferred Al Gore by 31 points.

The liberal tilt among unmarried women voters is less a matter of feminism than economics. Chris Desser, who heads the Women's Vote project, says that unmarried women's politics are shaped by their position as the sole breadwinner. "From an economic perspective, they make less money and they're living much closer to the edge," she says. "They're just one income away from disaster if anything were to happen."


http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17289

I saw a story on this in today's Chicago Trib, which reiterated the above numbers, emphasizing how important it will be to get thata vote out.

did I miss this? haven't seen any discussion on this

it was also sort of peripherally mentioned here:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/16/mgrind.day.dating/

But back to single women, who pollsters Celinda Lake and Stan Greenberg will report today are "progressive" (read: Democratic friendly), are "seeking change" (read: open to ousting President Bush) and "have the power to decide elections" and "can be convinced to participate."

Census numbers show that unmarried women make up 46 percent of all voting-age women and 56 percent of all unregistered women, according to the poll. As of 2000, there were 16 million unmarried, unregistered women and 22 million unmarried women who did not vote. If unmarried women voted at the same rate as married women, there would have been more than six million more voters in the electorate.


SIX MILLION more voters? time to work that segment, I would think.

anyone know about this, have ideas how to proceed?

Greenberg was credited by those in the know with lifting Gore from the doldrums in the summer of 2000, by advising him to go more populist, distancing himself with the DLC line. It worked for awhile, til the media really started savaging him in September, and brought Bush back up to him in the polls.

lots of stories on that.

reason I mentioned it is that Greenberg is still out there, and any dem that wants to get some good polling/advice would be wise to listen to him

EDIT, thanks to La_Serpient, post below:

On how to appeal to unmarried women voters:

(Greenberg) "What drives them away is the remoteness of it, not listening to them, the powerless, a politics that (does not) address their problems. There needs to be a change in the topic of politics....there needs to be a politics that is relevant to them. They want a politics that deals with job security, that deals with education, and deals with health care costs."

(Lake) "If you think of the symbols and images of politics, the average politician out there is married, everybody in the family looks good, their lives are together, the two kids, the wife, the suit jacket over the shoulder. That's not the lives of these women. They are economically marginal, they are short of time, they are juggling, and hoping that one of the balls doesn't fall on their head at any given time.

The dialog and the symbols of politics don't address them.... We need a politics that reaches out to these women, that gets them information early .... a grass roots activity that doesn't come in two weeks before the election but actually starts early getting information and talking to them about the kind of issues they care about...."

http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/1217/p25s01-usmb.html
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:49 PM
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1. yep, the candidate that registers them and gets them to vote
will win in a landslide.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:57 PM
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3. EXACTLY!!!
will this become an issue?

will the dems wise up, and pound pavement, organize to go after this bloc?

or are they totally feckless (dumbo's word for the day, did you hear...)?

think of the 'great' (effective) job the pugs did with the loony religious nuts......thanks to Ralph Reed, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, etal, they've generated a seemingly perpetual base of, what fifteen, twenty million certain votes every selection?

dems better wake up and get on the stick
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:52 PM
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2. let's see......sixty-five percent of six million is..........
almost four million votes.

that would be TWO MILLION more, out of six million.

assuming that those votes aren't already heavily distributed in safely blue states, that's a very large, frightening number for KKKarl and his gauleiters.

as the tribune said, forget soccer moms (also NASCAR dads....and what's with THAT, anyway? how many of them ever voted dem in the first place?)

six million new voters....maybe more, since the article says that there are 16 million unREGISTERED SF voters, among the TWENTY TWO million who didn't vote, much less register.

time to get going on that segment
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:57 PM
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4. It should be easy to get lots of them to vote, once they realize
that another four years of Bush will lead to the ultimate overturning of Roe vs. Wade.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 10:58 PM
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5. There is also this one
Edited on Wed Dec-17-03 10:59 PM by La_Serpiente
Stanley Greenberg and Celinda Lake

Excerpts from a Monitor breakfast on unmarried women voters.

By David T. Cook

Stanley Greenberg is chairman and chief executive officer of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research. He founded the company in 1980 after teaching at Yale where he won a Guggenheim Fellowship. He has a BA from Miami University and a Phd from Harvard. He has been polling advisor to President Clinton, Tony Blair, and Nelson Mandella.

Celinda Lake is president of Lake Snell Perry, a national political research firm. She holds an undergraduate degree from Smith College, and a masters in political science and survey research from the University of Michigan. She has served as political director of the Women's Campaign Fund and Research Director at the Institute for Social Research in Ann Arbor.


<snip>

On how to appeal to unmarried women voters:



(Greenberg) "What drives them away is the remoteness of it, not listening to them, the powerless, a politics that (does not) address their problems. There needs to be a change in the topic of politics....there needs to be a politics that is relevant to them. They want a politics that deals with job security, that deals with education, and deals with health care costs."

(Lake) "If you think of the symbols and images of politics, the average politician out there is married, everybody in the family looks good, their lives are together, the two kids, the wife, the suit jacket over the shoulder. That's not the lives of these women. They are economically marginal, they are short of time, they are juggling, and hoping that one of the balls doesn't fall on their head at any given time.

The dialog and the symbols of politics don't address them.... We need a politics that reaches out to these women, that gets them information early .... a grass roots activity that doesn't come in two weeks before the election but actually starts early getting information and talking to them about the kind of issues they care about...."

entire piece

http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/1217/p25s01-usmb.html





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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:13 PM
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8. YES!
exactly what I was talking about....will add that one to the header, if you don't mind.

Greenberg is the populist pollster of the democratic party, the anti-Frank Luntz, if you will.

can you IMAGINE if yellowbeardhead would alternate Greenberg with Luntz on his execrable RW pornfest?

course, if he did that, they'd cancel his show
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:00 PM
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6. I have a suggestion for a general plan:
March 2004 --> By this time, our nominee's campaign has pored-over maps of the 1996, 1998, 2000, and 2002 elections. They now know which precincts are reliably Democratic (>55%). With this knowledge, we raise an army of volunteers to go door-to-door in each and every one of those precincts. With them, they carry voter education and registration tools. We keep the information non-partisan, of course. We get voter registration up in these core areas to its maximum.

(and please note.. any non-profit group, such as George Soros' Americans Coming Together, can do this themselves. This is a great way for the left to cope with the new campaign finance laws.)

August 2004 --> After the convention, our army of volunteers is once again out at work each weekend. This time, they're armed with the same voter education & registration tools, AND a new tool - the refrigerator magnet. On this magnet: telephone numbers. A voter can call one number for a ride to the polls, one number for locating where their polling place is, and one number to report voting irregularities. Once again, voter registration is UPPED.

October 2004: Door-to-door once again. This time, our volunteers carry the same information, with one extra thing - absentee ballots. Our volunteers get as many people as possible to vote early. This will accomplish a few things:
1) Turnout in that precinct goes up. People who would normally not bother to walk/drive/ride to the polls now have no major obstacle to their participation.
2) Polling places in more crowded districts are relieved of some pressure on voting day. With more voting ahead of time, the lines at polling places are shorter; this results in fewer people turning away from voting lines on Election Day.
3) Absentee ballots have more of a paper trail. Yup. I said it, lol..

If turnout in Dem country is at 65%, and in GOP is at 55%, guess who has a greater chance of winning? Yeppers. We do. And it's all perfectly legal.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:06 PM
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7. As a single woman, I'd like to get involved in reaching them.
Who can better reach a single woman than another single woman. I'll have to keep this info in mind and find a way to get involved in this.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-03 11:21 PM
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9. this looks to be a good start, judging from the last two posts, even
how to actually get some concrete results is the question.

anybody know anybody?

is Greenberg with a candidate yet?

this HAS to be acted upon.

wouldn't it be the BEST if some sort of coalition of minorities, women, the disenfranchised FIFTY PERCENT nonvoting populace, were motivated to make that trip down to the polling place?

my 105 year old grandmother, at the time (in 2000), went with me to the polls, and cast her vote (for Bush, but it's OK.....Illinois)

if she can do it, what excuse does anyone else have?
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TXvote Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-03 12:27 AM
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10. Try This, I Made It Just For You
Go here and send all the single women you know this teaser e-message.
http://votervirgin.com/getin/spreadlove/

Simply put, after years of preaching, pleading, and trying anything I could to encourage voting, I developed an idea called VoterVirgin.
Anyone who does not vote is a VoterVirgin. Chances are you are within 100 ft of one even as I write this.

I built this tool so you could use it. If new voters want a voice, they can enroll in the VoterVirgin Class of '04 where they will be polled next year. There is fun for anyone that wants to register voters. Make them smile and they will vote.

Peace,
Teresa


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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:09 AM
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11. very cool, heh!
something HAS to be done to get key segments out to vote.

I'm starting to get worried.

this latest Saddam blitz has potential to help the simp over the long haul.....as the press shows zero inclination to face the reality of what's happening in Iraq

just vid after vid after vid of Tonsil Hockey Hussein.

public seems to eat it up. did you see how CNN/Fox/MSGOP's numbers averaged a gain of over THREE HUNDRED percent during the height of show? they know where their bread is buttered.

and the CONSTANT drumbeat over this false economy could be even worse.

it's now a given that we're in a frick ing BOOM!!!!

at least according to most pundits.....ignoring, of course that it just happens to be a JOBless boom (unless you live on a curb in Bangalore)

this is scary stuff, which can only be counteracted by tapping into new, virgin voting demographics, like the aforementioned single women.

AND, according to NPR's Marketplace (my own interp here):

Pickup Truck Drivers.....the new soccer moms?

know what the biggest selling car in US is now?

that's right: the Ford F-100 pickup. know what that means?

I don't even want to think of the implications; Dean knew exACTLY what he was talking about with that gunrack quote, didn't he?

not saying I support him (rockrib ABB here), primary-wise at this point, but he's got some good demographers working behind the scenes, looks like.

so keep this thread up, hey?

GET OUT the unvoting VOTE, for christ sake

this is the KEY. I promise
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prisonerseven Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:15 AM
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12. Why not propose a large tax cut for single women?
Would that bring them into the fold?
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 02:21 AM
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13. love those targeted tax cuts!
problem with disenfranchised voters (maybe not SW), which comprise a LARGE %age of the approx HUNDRED MILLION nonvoters, is that tax cuts are pretty meaningless for them, as "tax cuts" translate into INCOME tax cuts, which a goodly number of them don't pay. they DO pay FICA, and those never get cut, mein freund.

so nice try on that
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:39 PM
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14. thread on what's effective reminded me of this.......
a HUNDRED MILLION non voters!!!!!!!!!

what more needs to be said?

forget EVERYthing else, and get those people to the polls.

you KNOW most of them feel their vote means nothing, and if they can be persuaded that it might make a difference this time, that they're the ones MOST effected by these criminals in office.

what could be more obvious?
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cirej2000 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-03 05:41 PM
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15. The key to my dating life!
Hmmm, campaigning for Dean! There's got to be alot of young, hip, unmarried girls ready ta go wild!

Yeah, I never thought about it before. That's how we do it!
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thissideup Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 04:24 PM
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16. When they marry they go conservative
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:27 AM
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17. why are you here?
seriously.....seen other posts of yours

why?

and what does this avatar mean, as if it's not obvious

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-03 01:31 AM
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18. almost forgot......
doesn't anyone else think this is imPORtant?

getting out the nonvoting vote in sufficient numbers has the effect of BYPASSING the information monitors in the complicit media.

is there ANY way to reach the HUNDRED MILLION?????????

nobody cares about this?

all the carping, complaining, backbiting threads.

put some of the excellent minds here to use, PLEASE!

anybody have ties to Stan Greenberg?
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