Are we doomed to another 4 years of Bush?

[Frangible]

"Fifty-eight percent of Americans now approve of the way Bush is doing his job, six percentage points higher than the number just before the former dictator surrendered to U.S. forces in a hole near his hometown of Tikrit. Bush's disapproval ratings have shrunk to 33 percent from 40 percent prior to the capture."

It seems the timing on Saddam's capture was eerily good. Not to invoke any sort of Mulderesque theories here, but it seems entirely possible that we may capture Osama and/or find WMDs before the elections roll around.

The more stuff that blows up, the more popular Bush gets. And the democrats aren't helping.

In fact, it looks like lately the democrats are attacking each other more than Bush. I don't think Bush has attacked any of the dems as much as they've attacked each other.

So in the end, as more shit blows up, and more people get captured, Bush's popularity increases.

Meanwhile, the dems eviscerate each other and Bush doesn't even have to dirty his hands making them look bad.

Meanwhile, America declines the longer he is in power.

:scared:

[demnan]

1. My hope dwindles every day.

[rumguy]

2. I do not think we are doomed

If we pull our collective heads out of our asses and start acting and thinking like winners and not beautiful losers.

[Iverson]

3. with or without electoral fraud?

with - yes
without - maybe, unless the Democrats nominate a pro-war candidate, in which case probably

edited for clarity

[bahrbearian]

4. With all the crap that Chimmpy pulls

and he still gets 58%... I feel we are doomed!

[kentuck]

5. Isn't 58% a little low for a leader at war?

Considering that some of those are probably Democrats, and probably would not vote for Bush even if they approve at this moment in time of the job he is doing. I do not see anything inevitable in those numbers...

[stinkeefresh]

9. sure is

[Nadienne]

10. Indeed!

And look how the media must scramble to cover his ass!

[forgethell]

12. 51% is enough

this is a binary situation. They have a man in the WH, or we do. There is NO in-between.

[Frodo]

15. Do we get a "war handicap" next November?

"Sure, he's ahead... but he needs to win by at least five points to stay in the White House after the 'war president' correction to the Electoral College"

Will people say "Sure I approve of the job he's doing, but I know that's just because of the war and should discount that when voting".

[Bucky]

18. But 58% is really high for a lying crook who got 1000s needlessly killed

So I'm thinkin' he's doing okay for right now.

[stinkeefresh]

6. I had the same fear

not about WMDs (they really don't exist and they really can't plant them without getting caught by Europe) but about Osama. Rolling him out next October would just plain suck.

But my brother pointed out that, unlike Saddam, OBL has been an expert at evading capture for years and years. Saddam lived in big palaces. OBL lives on the run. Plus, we took our intelligence eyes off that ball when we went into Iraq, so he's really hidden now.

I agree that the well-timed capture of OBL would really help Bush's chances, I just honestly think he's got a 15% chance of pulling it off at best.

[Droopy]

7. No

These are the primaries. These people are trying to show why they are better for the job than each other. You're going to see them go after each other in an attempt to distinguish themselves and get more votes. There will be plenty of time to take it to Bush after the primaries.

[elfin]

8. It may just depend on the news the day before or of the election

Those 5-6 points he keeps gaining or losing seem entirely dependent on very recent news. The US is a nation of AADDs when it comes to making up its mind about this jerk.

They will have a series of October "surprises" planned - we need to do the same despite their chokhold on the media.

[forgethell]

11. Of course,

we're going to find Osama, and the WMDs. Why did you ever doubt it? You know whose in charge here.

[YNGW]

13. Polls

These polls are up and down like a float in a toliet. One week this, the other week that. Who can say.

[kaitykaity]

14. This rah-rah effect is shorter-lived every time they use it.

I can't give up hope. We know how this works now,
and won't be caught with our pants down like we were
in 2000.

[Bucky]

16. Which is why they have to keep on updating their latest stunts

I'm givin' up too. Perhaps I'll vote for Smokey D. Bear.

[kaitykaity]

19. No, don't give up.

Pretty please???

Listen to Malloy and to Randi and you'll buck right up!

[underpants]

21. Right, the numbers go down they pump them up and then they go down

Bush is using 9/11 for all he can. He was going no where fast before that (about to unleash "Communities of Caring" anti-Hollywood Repube family values tripe) when that happened.

For someone who was almost cannonized after that and the incredible succes of the military part of the war in Iraq he should have higher numbers than that. Again they are treading water and the complete lack of criticism is letting them tread at a higher level than reason permits.

I might start a thread on this but his trip to Baghdad on Thanksgiving was a big error. The one thing he had going for him (pointed out by many) was that the press loved him. His joking around with them kept all of his past out of the papers and continued once in the White House including how he got there. He messed up freezing many of them out of the story. The Saddam capture should have been a slam dunk but it was not rah-rahed like they expected probably because of the T-day trip.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. If we elect Clark, No

we are not doomed to another 4 years. Otherwise, I would say yes. :(

[TrueAmerican]

20. Right, we have to nominate Clark

He is our best hope.
Vote in the poll.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=929481&mesg_id=929481

[William Seger]

22. "Approval" ratings aren't the important numbers

In poll after poll, his "re-elect" numbers are around 45%.

http://pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

I don't think his numbers against specific Dems really mean anything yet, considering that most people probably don't know anything about the candidates. But it would certainly be nice if what they "know" by next November doesn't come from other Dems' negative campaigning.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. I feel that we're doomed. If Bush is this high up in the polls after all

of the scandals (Iraqgate, the energy task force), after the average American has lost 39% of their investment portfolios (they estimate that it will take 10 years to make this money back), after all of the lies about Iraq and the failures there, the Taliban taking over Afghanistan.

A lot of this is due to the media AND to Americans not paying attention. The media is allowed to select our candidates for us and we (Democrats) don't mobolize ourselves to do anything about it. We are more into being victims and whiners. We run out to vote for Nader and then whine when Bush gets into office. Repubicans care much more about winning that we do. They are proactive - we are not.

Moveon.org is the only hope for us. At least they are being proactive.