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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 03:47 PM
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Why I think Howard Dean would be the strongest candidate vs. Bush
I think Howard Dean will be the strongest candidate in a general election campaign vs. Bush for these reasons:

1) He is a former governor with a proven record that he can use to refute Bush/Rove's most outrageous charges. The American people tend to trust governors as candidate for president probably because there duties are more similar to that of a president.

2) He is the anti-Bush. For example, Dean can say, "I've balanced the budget and cut taxes while protecting valuable programs as Governor--This president (Bush) took the biggest surplusses in history and in only three years produced the biggest deficits in history to provide tax relief which by and large benefits the very wealthy." He can best explain why a balanced budget will ultimately lead to long term economic health such as we had during the Clinton administration.

3) He is the anti-Bush on health insurance as well. Dean can say, "During my administration we covered every child in the state of Vermont with medical insurance--compare this to the record of the Bush administration--44 million people are without health insurance up by over three million since he became president--I have a plan to cover most of these people."

4) Perhaps most importantly he is the Anti-Bush on Iraq. Iraq is becoming a potent political issue with each passing day. A recent poll said that 42% of the American people believe that going into Iraq was a "mistake"--that in my opinion is likely to grow as the US continues to be bogged down in Iraq with more sniper killings and growing chaos and more military families questioning why their sons and daughters, husbands and wives are still there. Dean as a passionate opponent from day one is best suited to make the case against the Iraq war and why "we are in the wrong war at the wrong time" and questioning why the US spent so much capital on Iraq instead of pursuing the war on terrorism against Bin Ladden--"do you remember his name, Mr. President?". Finally as it is becoming more likely, WMD are not being found in Iraq and Dean (like Graham and Kucinich) can correctly state that they were not taken in by the administrations "evidence".

5) Dean neutralizes the Gun issue. I have to admit as a supporter of gun control I was bothered by Dean's stand and the fact that he has gotten an endorsement in Vermont from the NRA--but there are enough issues I agree on with Dean that I can feel strongly for him. It can't be denied though that the gun issue has hurt democrats in rural areas and the south. It played a role in our defeats in 2000 in states such as West Virginia, Arkansas, and Tennessee. Dean supports such things as "The Brady Bill" but on the whole supports giving the states the rights to decide what gun laws they want.

6) Dean is bringing more people into the political process. Story after story on meetups indicates that Dean is bringing out people who had given up on the poltical process or had not voted before. These people are enthused enough about Dean to help organize states,cities, towns, preceints, wards on his behalf and this will be a powerful army to put up against the Bush $$$ in 2004. A true grass roots effort. Right now there are over 58,000 people as part of this meetup army. Imagine as Dean moves forward how this will grow in the coming months to the hundreds of thousands by the time Dean might be nominated!! Those Meetups will continue during the fall campaign and this army will continue to organize to GOTV on election day--it could be the most significant GOTV effort ever organized. I know I will proudly take the Monday before and Tuesday of the election off of work to help gotv.

7) Finally some people have said that Dean's signing of the Civil Unions Bill will be counter-productive in some places. Let the GOP bring the issue up because it will give Dean an opportunity to make an eloquent statement regarding equal rights for all people which is what this country is supposed to be about and end it by saying, "Vice President Cheney, don't you want your daughter to have the same rights to happiness as anybody else in entitled to?"
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 03:50 PM
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1. Very good reasons. I agree 100%. You forgot something, though...
The man would be the first non-redneck democrat president since Kennedy.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 03:51 PM
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2. hmm
Doesn't redneck equate to a racist white southerner?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 03:54 PM
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5. No, no, no.
"Redneck" just equals "Southern-accented." (to me). Living in Nashville, you get tired of the twang.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:27 PM
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13. Wrong
That is not what redneck means, and you are insulting everyone who ever had a Southern accent by saying that. Redneck implies a certain kind of lifestyle and beliefs, not just a regional accent.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 05:51 PM
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22. Read the post again. I said "(to me)". I live in the south, dude!
For a guy with a Hunter Thompson reference in your name, you certainly have a hard time spotting when someone has told a joke. Sure, it wasn't a funny joke, but still...

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 03:52 PM
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3. Why I think he won't...
Lacks national security credentials. Smirk has made national security bonafides a must in the next election.


This is the man who can retire bush.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 03:59 PM
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7. he might be a good choice for running mate for Dean
I agree with you that Dean could use some national security credentials behind him but overall I think his stand on Iraq especially by 11/04 will work in his favor. Clark would be a top choice for running mate in my opinion along with Graham and Richardson.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:33 PM
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16. And Smirk's National Security Bonafides . . .?
Were, Are, WHAT exactly?
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:43 PM
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19. Too bad
he hasn't declared candidacy yet, eh?
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 06:14 PM
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23. I agee that Dean would not be the best candidate becuase of the security
issue. But I do not think Bush alone made security an issue.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 03:53 PM
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4. What does Dean know?
... about:

Foreign Policy?

National Security?

Environmental Protection?

Social Security?

The United Nations?

There are a whole bunch more, but these are just starters. "Anti-Bush" IS catchy. Why advertise the moron?
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:11 PM
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10. and a candidate that votes for the resolution is more than antibush
come on? Dean was actually against the Iraq war, which is going to be a good thing.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 03:54 PM
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6. He's an excellent candidate
.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:00 PM
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8. Dean is a fiery speaker and a handsome man.
He totally defuses any comments that could be made about a boring or dry speaking style like they did with Gore. Dean's appearance is that clean-cut all american look that plays well on TV.

The ONLY thing the good puppy press will have to bash Dean with is his platform; that will force the media to focus on the issues.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:02 PM
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9. being a fiery speaker
doesnt' hurt either. He can really get attract a crowd and enthuse them to get out to vote.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:31 PM
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14. I think Dean is "handsome", too!!,,,and I think Gore is handsome....
and they got the goods to back it up!!



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:17 PM
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11. I've heard from Canadians that Dean was on CBC alot when he...
Edited on Tue Jul-08-03 04:18 PM by zidzi
was Govenor of Vermont...talking about the relationship of the two Countries,,,and this Canadian really likes Dean...

So that's some "foreign policy"!

And all the points you bring up CMT are valid, IMO!

If Dean had been one of those People who thought we should go bomb the Shyte out of Iraq...I would have looked no further...but he wasn't and I did!!

:kick:
DEAN'04
:dem:
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Frederic Bastiat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:24 PM
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12. Well I live across the border from Vermont
In Québec, nary a peep on Dean or the Vermont governor du jour. They probably never even heard of the guy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:33 PM
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15. More's the pity!!....Thankfully I spoke to some Canadians who,,,
have,,,but they are Well Informed!!
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 05:31 PM
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20. thanks Zidzi
since you are one of Dean's top supporters on DU I appreciate it very much.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:38 PM
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17. A message is necessary
You can't beat a something with a nothing, and you can't beat a somebody with a nobody. Anybody remember who Rick Lazio is? (Yeah, but it wasn't easy.)

You need a message to win, and the message had better be more than: "Message: I care"

General Clark cannot beat anyone. He doesn't even know if he wants to run. After he decides that, then he will have a snowball's chance.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 05:37 PM
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21. Yes he does project a message of "I Care"
which ALOT of people like.
But he is also outspoken with a message of

1. Balance the Budget
2. obtain healthcare for all
3. have a sensible foreign policy (not the bully on the block)

I could go on. I think its very unfair to say he doesn't have a message.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 04:40 PM
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18. What was Clinton's Foreign Policy Experience?
I think Dean has just as much experience as Bush did when Bush took office (more since Dean had actually visited other countries).

Dean isn't going to be isolationist and let's face it 'The UN' isn't a hot election topic. Security is. Job security. Financial security. Medical security.

Dean already has said he wants to put more troops in Iraq and reach out to other nations to help truly create a democratic nation there. That sounds like a reasonable plan to me and I think Dean has the resources available to him to bring in some of the better minds to deal with the job.
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