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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:00 AM
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Is it too late?
There seems to be a lot of pessimism regarding next year. There seem to be a lot of people angry. But the Republicans have more control than any political party has had in American History. Can we avoid this. Is there even a glimmer of hope for 2004?
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JailBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:03 AM
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1. Sure, there's glimmer of hope.
But it would be foolish to be complacent; frankly, I think the odds are against us. And even if we give Bush the boot, will his replacement have what it takes to get this ship back under control?

Regardless of the outcome of Campaign 2004, anyone who cares had better plan remaining involved for a long time to come - like the rest of our lives. Politics has to become a way of life - and I'm not talking about "politics," as in business as usual.
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Blade Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 04:04 AM
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2. Hell no!
People now realize the mistake of electing the republicans to political office. I think by this time next year, Democrats will be leading the country and the republicans will be sitting there whining like they always do.

Give it time, my friend.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:45 AM
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4. I tend to agree with that.
This is at best a two-edged sword for Bush. In the end, we all know that we have fought an unnecessary war to create an unresolvable mess. Capturing the wrong guy (not Osama) creates a Pyrrhic victory for the United States in a War on Terrorism that Bush has bungled.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 11:40 AM
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3. I'm one of the pessimistic ones.
Bush wasn't elected in 2000. He came to power in a coup, and isn't about to give that power up. There is no reason to assume there will be a fair, free, and honest election next November. Let me suggest a few ways by which it can be rigged.

Black box voting, no paper trail. This has been discussed at some length on DU.

Purging of voter rolls. It worked in Florida.

Cancel the election. If some kind of major terrorist threat or alert occurs at the very beginning of November, people may be required to stay home. Can't get to polling place. Maybe the election would be rescheduled, maybe not.

Red alert in certain, predominantly Democratic parts of the country. Again, people can't get to the polls. What a shame!

It's the state legislatures that actually certify the slate of electors who actually elect the president. All it would take is a very few Republican controlled legislatures to decide to certify the Republican slate, even if the Democrat won the popular vote in that state. Remember, three years ago that's exactly what would have happened in Florida had the Supreme Court not shut down the ballot count.

And none of this takes into account a phenomenally dirty campaign, in which the Democratic candidate will be utterly vilified, and any opposition to Bush will be framed as treason and probably terrorism. I expect a major theme of the Bush campaign will claim he's done so much to protect the Homeland against terrorists, and how he's turned the economy around. The three million lost jobs will be invisible unless we (us Democrats) bring that up over and over. The Bush campaign will selectively highlight people who've done better under their adminsitration, and all the cuts to education, health care, and every thing else will be ignored.

We are naive if we think we can win this election the old-fashioned way, simply by telling the truth and getting out the vote.
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