Daily Democrat: A positive discussion about Wesley Clark

[Skinner]

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We will discuss two Daily Democrats per day, and cycle through the list of presidential candidates in modified alphabetical order.

12/04 - Wesley Clark ...... and ... Dennis Kucinich
12/05 - Howard Dean ....... and ... Joe Lieberman
12/06 - John Edwards ...... and ... Carol Moseley Braun
12/07 - Dick Gephardt ..... and ... Al Sharpton
12/08 - John Kerry ........ and ... Wesley Clark
12/09 - Dennis Kucinich ... and ... Howard Dean
12/10 - Joe Lieberman ..... and ... John Edwards
12/11 - Carol Moseley Braun and ... Dick Gephardt
12/12 - Al Sharpton ....... and ... John Kerry
12/13 - Wesley Clark ...... and ... Dennis Kucinich
12/14 - Etc...

LET'S GET STARTED

Here's your chance for some positive discussion of Wesley Clark! Who wants to start it off?

[UrbScotty]

1. "I'm attacking the President for NOT attacking the terrorists!"

West Point valedictorian, Vietnam veteran, charismatic military leader...

Yeah, Wesley!

[Zomby Woof]

2. He was engaging on the Daily Show

Got to show his sense of humor, which is REQUIRED to endure the rigors of a presidential race. Pretty much countered the stereotype of cold Pentagon bureaucrat. His campaign should get interesting to watch as the primaries occur. He is learning as he goes, as this is his first political campaign, and that could be daunting for anyone.

[PissedOffPollyana]

23. My husband & I loved him on DS

He has a very engaging personality that really comes across in interviews. We're glad that we've had a different forum to see him in beside the debates. He's getting better at the debate thing, but off-the cuff conversation is where he's shone so far.

I hope he continues to expand on his platforms, to hash out the areas that are not as clear. It would be good to be able to better see a more detailed gameplan of where he would like to take us as a country. I find him interesting, which is odd for me. I generally am completely put off by the military thing but I find myself genuinely liking and respecting him more all the time.

Good luck to his campaign!

[Field Of Dreams]

37. Check out:

http://www.clark04.com/issues/

A lot of domestic policy stuff!

[PissedOffPollyana]

51. Thanks. I did read those when reading all the sites.

I hope more are added as the campaign moves along. He has some ideas I think warrant more attention.

[Zomby Woof]

67. Welcome to DU PHDiva!

:hi:

[Wonk]

33. quicktime & mp3 of that here for those who missed it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=100511

[bicentennial_baby]

3. Wesley got some good coverage this week!

Finally! He was excellent on Hardball and the Daily Show. Go Wes!

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. Wes Clark is the best medicine

for what ailes this country. He will be an extraordinary President!

KKKRove is scared to death of his candidacy because they know the brainless wonder doesn't have a chance in hell against the intellect of Wes Clark. Clark '04!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

5. 1. Stood up for free speech 2. Wont take crap from corporate media actors

Clark stood up for free speech and the right of Americans to criticize our government, especially in a time of war, when Bush and the Corporate Media were in lockstep calling anyone who didn't support Republicans "traitors" and worse. Clark put an end to that quickly. Bush and Rove are in no position to question Clark's patriotism.

When Clark has been attacked by the script-reading boob tube actors and the whores of FOX and the RNC, he's either quickly put them in their place with a witty one liner or subtle jab, or he's delivered a straight full-force punch to the face (not literally of course, but there's still time hopefully). It's nice to see Democrats not take any guff from these corporate media whores.

[ResistTheCoup]

6. He's the whole package

The resume, smarts, intelligence, savvy, military credentials, foreign policy credentials, compassionate, and most important, can win!

Oh, yeah, and he's really 'easy on the eyes'!

:loveya:

[MoonRiver]

7. The more I see and hear of Clark the stronger my support for him becomes!

His domestic policy is extremely comprehensive and offers a real plan to undo the * damage. And, of course, I firmly believe he's the best candidate to resolve Iraqmire and rebuild our shredded international relations.

GO WESS!!!!!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[chimpymustgo]

8. Clark can compete across the country.

Hey, great alliteration - but also the stone cold truth.

I can't fathom why we would nominate someone who can't do that. Clark also has a soothing, appealing demeanor that could unite our party, and our country. He has a trustworthiness, and he'll bring in independents, even some Republicans.

Clark can win.

[MoonRiver]

16. He has everything going for him. Everything.

I really believe that even with Diebold in play, it would be a slam dunk against bu*h, if we nominate Clark.

[Spazito]

9. Watching Wesley Clark grow and learn on the campaign trail...

certainly shows he is a quick learner, he is doing very well. I am glad he has been getting good press lately, he has earned it.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. Clark Is a Man of Honor and Integrity

Many people here seem to be suspicious of Clark, often by sole virtue of his military background. I am here to tell you, please do NOT be suspicious! I know it's sometimes difficult to believe in an honest politician these days, especially because we as a society are so jaded.

Wesley Clark is the real deal. I have met him personally three times, and when he speaks, his sincerity comes through as clearly as a bell. There is no way he is lying, there is no way he is doing this out of cynicism or some dire ulterior motive. He really MEANS it when he says he is doing this to serve his country. This is a man who believes in this country and in doing good.

I have met his son over half-a-dozen times, and I have met his friends and his colleagues. Without fail, their eyes positively shine when they speak about him, about his optimism, about his integrity, about his competence, about what a great man he is. You cannot fake that level of enthusiasm and respect, not across so many different people.

It is telling that some of his greatest exploits came to light only because of the reporting of others, and not by self-aggrandizing by Clark. When he heroically rappelled down a 300 foot cliffside in an effort to rescue French personnel in Bosnia, braving enemy gunfire and in defiance of Richard Holbrooke, the senior negotiator, he did it because it was the right thing to do, and the only reason we know about it at all is because Holbrooke reported it.

I trust Wesley Clark. I urge all of you to trust him as well.

DTH

[Tom Rinaldo]

11. In only 3 months

Clark has generated far more excitement thatn any Democratic Party candidate other thaan Howard Dean. Both men started out relatively unknown, but Dean, to his credit, has been running hard for two years. Why should anyone be surprised that Dean has a larger active following than Clark? It is amazing Clark has done so well so quickly. Add to that the fact that Clark has never campaigned before in his life. That's kind of like someone with an innate good sense of humor launching a new career as a stand up comic debuting on Jay Leno and David Lettermen's shows.

Politics is an art form removed from the realm of true leadership, that's why some empty suit actors can do well at it. The fact is Clark is mastering this job just like he has every other challange he has ever taken upon himself. Clark's "timing and delivery" is improving daily. The only Democrats in the race who have won over new converts in sizable numbers are Dean and Clark, plus in all fairness, the "bottom tier candidates" who have gained valuable and positive national exposure also, but who remain too far behind in money, standings, and organizing to successfully compete for the nomination this year.

Clark is all upside. If he could achieve this much in 3 months, think what he can do in 6 more months, especially if the party falls in behind him? Clark's appeal as an ex- military scholar from the South gives fits to the Republican strategists. My most recent personal conquest for Clark is the ex CEO of a prominent Silicon valley firm. Just got him to donate $500 to Clark, and he will not consider voting for any other Democrat in 2004.

[Catch22Dem]

12. I really think

Dean is going to take IA and NH, but Wes is going to pull off an "upset" by taking 2nd in NH followed by a win in SC and perhaps a few other states as well (how's he doing in Okla.?)

We're going to see some candidate withdrawls. Where will their supporters go? To anyone who thinks this primary race is "over with" or "sealed up" or any of that nonsense, I think you're in for a rude awakening. GO WES!

[DoveTurnedHawk]

14. Last OK Poll Shows Lieberman 10, Clark 9, Dean 9

So it's really tight!

DTH

[Catch22Dem]

17. Thanks Dove...knew I could count on ya

;)

[MoonRiver]

21. Wow, that is incredibly close.

Hope we hear info about some other states.

[OKNancy]

27. That poll was before the latest round of commercials

I've seen the biography one at least ten times....and I don't watch that much. $200,000 buys a lot of ads here in Okla.

[ajacobson]

13. Just watched the DS segment

on video tape. I thought it was really good and better than it was described here. I like the point about bureaucracy--everybody thinks that because he was a general, he would just snap his fingers and people would jump and that is the only culture he can function in. Well, there is some of that but at that level there are a lot of little fiefdoms and when you factor in the multi-national command structure, that's even more complicated. It takes some negotiating skill and people skills and intestinal fortitude to see your vision through in that environment.

I got on board with Clark a couple weeks before his announcement and its been inspiring to watch the growth of the campaign.

[lazarus]

80. The bureaucracy point

is a great one he made on TDS, and one he should add to his campaign.

Haele and I are both vets, she's retired and presently works for a military contractor. The amount of bureaucracy we know of first hand is staggering. For a man to be able to rise to the top of that, and gain the respect he has, really says something about him.

[pistoff democrat]

15. Clark's Positions on a Few Issues:

He will expand the Low Income Housing Tax Credit

He will Increase and Move toward Fully Funding Section 8 Vouchers

He will Invest in Public Transportation

He firmly believes in Reproductive freedom

He has a good plan for affordable health care

He knows that sexual assault and domestic violence are human rights violations

He will change things to ensure adequate funding for veterans' health care as well as provide services for homeless veterans

He will eliminate the "Disabled Veterans Tax

He wants to strengthen federal protections against hate crimes

He wants to raise the minimum wage

He believes in and therefore wants to empower workers to organize

He recognizes there is still union-busting in today's world and he won't stand for it

He prouldly supports affirmative action

He believes in self-determination for Puerto Rico

He will restore the Americans with Disability Act, as gutted by Bush

He will protect Medicaid

He will crack down on corporate polluters


In light of these times, here is a brief paragraph from him concerning war:

I will never ask our troops to risk the ultimate sacrifice or ask their families to pay the ultimate price of patriotism except as an absolute last resort, I will never send American soldiers into combat without a realistic plan to win and the forces necessary for victory, and the statements and actions of a Clark Administration will restore America's moral authority.


And for all of you DU'ers interested in college:

WES CLARK'S UNIVERSAL COLLEGE GRANT PLAN:
Going to college is an essential part of the American dream. Higher education is one of the best investments a person can make: economic studies show that an additional year of schooling beyond high school has a return of between 5 and 15 percent annually - more than the typical inflation-adjusted return on stocks and bonds. The importance of a college education has only increased in recent decades, with wages of college graduates rising while wages of workers with only a high school degree have fallen. Over the coming decades, even more jobs than ever will require at least a two-year degree. Under President Bush, average tuition and fees for public four-year institutions have risen by 28 percent after adjusting for inflation, a $1,032 increase and the fastest growth ever recorded. Student aid has not kept pace: the average Pell Grant and Federal education tax credits have declined from 80 percent of average tuition and fees in 2000-01 to about two-thirds of average tuition and fees in 2002-03. This places an ever increasing burden on students who want to go to college but cannot afford it. At the same time, the process of student aid is needlessly complex. Wes Clark has a plan to make the first two-years of college free for most Americans, while restraining tuition increases and encouraging families to save for college. More than half of the Universal College Grant is paid for by consolidating the existing Pell Grant and Hope Scholarship and eliminating billions of dollars a year in subsidies for banks that offer student loans; the remaining $70 billion over ten years is paid for as part of the Saving for America's Future plan. Wes Clark's three-part plan:

1. Make the first two years of college free for most students - providing a Universal College Grant of $6,000 per year

2. Restrain spiraling tuition increases

3. Enhance savings for college

(Wes Clark will be held accountable for achieving the goal of an additional 1 million students enrolled in higher education by 2008!)


MAKE THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF COLLEGE FREE FOR MOST STUDENTS
Financial aid has not kept pace with the ever-increasing costs of tuition. Between 1975 and 2002, the inflation-adjusted actual maximum Pell grant fell by 15 percent while the cost of tuition and fees more than doubled. At the same time, the needlessly complex financial aid process deters many high-school graduates from even applying to college. Wes Clark's plan would make the first two years of college free for most students - providing a Universal College Grant of $6,000.

Here's how it would work:
Universal College Grant of $6,000. The Universal College Grant would be phased in to provide $6,000 per year for the first two years of full-time college for any dependent student whose family's income is up to $100,000. Like the existing Pell Grant, the Universal College Grant could be applied to tuition, fees, room, board, and school supplies, including computers, at any qualifying public or private institution.

Making the first two years of college free for most students. The average tuition and fees for a four-year public university, $4,694 in 2003-04, would be covered by the Universal College Grant, meaning that the first two years of college would be free for most students. Ensuring that more students enter college - and stay there. Wes Clark wants to ensure that cost is not an impediment for students considering college. Once there, a student who discovers that they are successful in college is likely to decide to continue.

Simplifying the process of applying for financial aid and making families confident the aid will be there for them. Today a prospective student needs to fill out a 108 line form to even find out how much aid they qualify for, a complex process that deters many students from applying for aid and attending college. Much of the complexity of the form, however, is a direct result of the complex formula for calculating aid. By simplifying this formula - making the full $6,000 grant available for all students whose families make up to $100,000 annually - Wes Clark would greatly simplify the financial aid application process. In addition, most families would know that they would get the full $6,000 - an incentive to apply for aid in the first place.

Paying more than half of the cost of Universal College Grants by consolidating the Pell Grant, the Hope Scholarship, and increasing competition for student loans. The cost of the new Universal College Grant would be partially paid for by reserving Pell Grants only for those in their last two years of college (currently $12 billion for all years of college) and eliminating the Hope Scholarship ($3.5 billion). In the process, the Universal College Grant plan would reform the tax code to make it simpler. In addition, Wes Clark would eliminate the billions of dollars a year in subsidies that the government currently pays to banks that offer student loans and instead shift to direct, competitive lending.


RESTRAIN SPIRALLING TUITION INCREASES
Academic studies have found a direct relationship between state fiscal situations and tuition increases. Last year public universities increased tuition by 13 percent adjusted for inflation - more than twice the 5 percent rate of increase at private universities and clear evidence that a major part of the problem is the state fiscal crisis. By helping states address their fiscal crises, Wes Clark's plan will help to keep tuition increases down. President Bush's tax giveaways for the wealthy have contributed to the record fiscal crisis facing America's states. The states have tried to balance their budgets, in part, with rapid increases in tuition and fees. Wes Clark's Job Creation Plan includes a State and Local Tax Rebate Fund that would be devoted to relieving the fiscal crisis in states, reducing the pressure on them to pass tuition increases onto students.

Education and Training: $10 billion per year (or $20 billion over two years). These funds will be used to keep tuition increases down at public colleges and to help state and local governments train (and retrain) workers for new jobs and better opportunities. This is part of Wes Clark's State and Local Tax Rebate Fund.

Appoint a Commission to study the causes of tuition increases and suggest solutions. The State and Local Tax Rebate Fund will help alleviate tuition increases in the short-run but will not address the long-run challenge of ever rising tuition. As President, Wes Clark would appoint a Commission to study the causes of tuition increases and suggest solutions.


ENHANCE SAVINGS FOR COLLEGE AND BEYOND
America's working families need more help saving for college. Wes Clark's plan would increase the incentives for working families to save for college and other higher education:

Extend the Saver's Credit to Education IRAs - and make it refundable. Currently, couples making up to $30,000 annually get up to a 100 percent match on their contributions to IRAs. Wes Clark would extend this Saver's Credit to Education IRAs - and make it refundable. This would provide additional returns for working families that save for college and beyond, and thus an additional reason to save. This is part of Wes Clark's overall plan to reform the tax code and increases the incentives for saving.

[creativelcro]

19. Clark on the issues

http://www.issues2002.org/Wesley_Clark.htm

Wesley Clark on Abortion
Let a woman and her doctors decide about reproductive health. (Nov 25)
Undecided on partial-birth abortion. (Aug 1)
I am pro-choice. (Jun 25)


Wesley Clark on Budget & Economy
Home ownership is critical to economy. (Sep 25)
Push deficit reduction, even if unpopular. (Sep 25)
Short-term deficit ok in recession, but not long-term. (Sep 20)
Balance the budget & reduce long-term debt. (Sep 18)
Fiscal responsibility means no long-term deficit. (Aug 1)
Fostering small business is key to economic growth. (Jun 27)
Stimulate economy without creating huge deficit. (Jun 17)
Bush tax cuts didn't stimulate economy or jobs. (Jun 15)


Wesley Clark on Civil Rights
Constitutional amendment against flag desecration. (Nov 12)
Homosexuality is not a sin. (Sep 19)
Don't compromise freedom for problems like terrorism. (Sep 18)
End glass ceilings for women. (Jun 27)
Separation of church and state is fundamental. (Jun 27)
Full sunshine review of PATRIOT Act. (Jun 19)
Supports affirmative action; acknowledges racial discrim. (Jun 15)
Replace "Don't Ask Don't Tell" with Don't Misbehave. (Jun 15)
Supports University of Michigan's affirmative action plan. (Jun 15)
Disturbed that we suspended habeus corpus for War on Terror. (Mar 23)
Supports affirmative action, including in college admissions. (Mar 1)
Experienced racial prejudice in 1950s Little Rock H.S. (Jul 2001)


Wesley Clark on Corporations
Independent corporate boards needed for transparency. (Sep 25)


Wesley Clark on Crime
Concerned about Three Strikes & emphasis on lockup. (Jun 19)


Wesley Clark on Drugs
Against decriminalizing marijuana. (Jun 19)


Wesley Clark on Education
Education includes job transitioning for adults. (Sep 18)
Increase teacher training & teacher pay. (Jun 17)
Decries lack of funding for No Child Left Behind. (Apr 28)
Supports funding for all-day kindergarten. (Mar 1999)
More high school vocational programs. (Mar 1999)
Establish 18:1 student-teacher ratio for grade school. (Mar 1999)


Wesley Clark on Energy & Oil
Drilling ANWR doesn't help with energy independence. (Aug 1)
Look for replacements for internal combustion engine. (Aug 1)
Establish redline of protection in places like ANWR. (Aug 1)
Protection outweighs benefits from drilling in Alaska. (Jul 23)
Renegotiate Kyoto Agreement rather than reject it. (Jul 1)
Don't rule out nuclear, but focus on solar & wind power. (Jun 27)
Disappearing glaciers make global warming obvious. (Feb 20)
US energy overuse causes worldwide resentment. (Aug 2002)


Wesley Clark on Environment
Balance commercial exploitation with respect for nature. (Sep 18)
Assist market-driven population adjustments, like in 1800s. (Sep 18)
Environment is a legacy to our children. (Sep 8)
All that matters 100 years out is Constitution & environment. (Jun 17)


Wesley Clark on Families & Children
No stance on record.

Wesley Clark on Foreign Policy
End China's currency manipulation to help US manufacturers. (Nov 25)
Establish "Civilian Reserve" for times of military need. (Nov 25)
Use UN to gain credibility in Iraq. (Sep 8)
Contribute to democratization in Muslim world. (Sep 8)
American tourists in Cuba will end Castro. (Jul 23)
We need to be talking to the North Koreans. (Jun 17)
Rebuild European alliances-source of 50 years or prosperity. (May 7)
International institutions assist with US trade & commerce. (Apr 8)
International cooperation needs consensus-building mechanism. (Sep 2002)
The US needs allies. (Sep 2002)
Work with the International Criminal Court. (Jul 2002)
Invest 3% of GDP on development assistance abroad. (Nov 2001)
Shared risks, shared burdens, shared benefits. (Jul 2001)


Wesley Clark on Free Trade
Labor rights are human rights: promote free and fair trade. (Nov 25)
Reciprocal trade with enforcement against dumping. (Sep 25)
Address shifts in production that come with free trade. (Sep 18)
I believe in fair trade, not free trade. (Sep 8)
Prosperity depends on open borders. (Jul 23)
Free trade areas depend on international cooperation. (Jul 1999)


Wesley Clark on Government Reform
Balance government & market; balance state & federal. (Sep 18)
Ensure government culture of transparency & accountability. (Sep 18)


Wesley Clark on Gun Control
Supports ban on assault weapons. (Sep 19)
Supports the Second Amendment and uses guns himself. (Sep 19)
People who like assault weapons should join the Army. (Jun 25)


Wesley Clark on Health Care
Build on existing programs and stretch them. (Sep 25)
Comprehensive preventive wellness program. (Sep 25)
Does not support single-payer healthcare. (Sep 20)
Supports universal health coverage. (Sep 19)
Promote good health through public health measures. (Sep 18)
Healthcare safety net works in the army. (Jul 2001)


Wesley Clark on Homeland Security
Consider cutting defense spending. (Sep 19)
Talk about gays in military, but don't open the door. (Aug 1)
Be reluctant to use military force. (Jun 17)
Welcome gays into the military because they're already there. (Jun 15)
Address European and Russian concerns about missile defense. (Feb 2001)
Highest priority is quality of life for defense family. (Mar 1998)


Wesley Clark on Immigration
I am very pro-immigration. (Jun 27)
Immigration is vital to prosperity. (Jun 17)


Wesley Clark on Infrastructure
No stance on record.

Wesley Clark on Jobs
Stop rewarding companies that shift jobs overseas. (Nov 25)
Better job plan in 8 days than Bush made in 3 years. (Sep 25)
Create best business environment, to create 1M jobs per year. (Sep 18)
If labor assists with trade, minimum wage hikes will follow. (Sep 18)
Jobless recovery: need policy to create 1.3M jobs per year. (Aug 17)
Millions are unemployed and underemployed. (Aug 16)
Business growth makes jobs instead of outsourcing. (Jun 17)


Wesley Clark on Principles & Values
Incredible journey from Bush supporter to Democrat. (Sep 25)
Different kind of Democrat-without strong partisanship. (Sep 19)
Would not rule out vice presidency. (Sep 19)
Bush abuses executive power as much as Nixon did. (Sep 19)
The 100 Year Vision: physical and legal environment. (Sep 18)
30-year challenges: provide social framework. (Sep 18)
Ask questions to hold Bush accountable. (Sep 17)
Americans need straight talk, not fear and divisiveness. (Sep 17)
Neither party has a monopoly on strong leadership. (Sep 8)
Leadership based on experience & fighting for little people. (Sep 8)
Candidacy about national security going wrong. (Jul 9)
Considered 2002 AR gubernatorial run against GOP incumbent. (Mar 1)


Wesley Clark on Social Security
Protect Social Security system to ensure senior income. (Sep 25)
Stock market is for individuals, not for Social Security. (Sep 25)
Strengthen retirement security. (Sep 18)


Wesley Clark on Tax Reform
Repeal tax cut on top 2%--make tax code progressive. (Sep 25)
Freeze Bush tax cuts which haven't yet taken effect. (Sep 19)
Tax cut is a cut in essential services. (Aug 1)
Middle- & working-class tax cuts are an economic-growth tool. (Jul 13)
Tax relief for middle class, not for the rich. (Jun 27)
$5T tax cuts for the rich are legalized theft. (Jun 20)
Supports redistribution by progressive taxation. (Jun 19)
Irresponsible to borrow to give tax cuts to wealthy. (Jun 19)
Minimize taxes but enough to meet people's needs. (Jun 15)
Bush tax cuts were unfair; use progressive taxation. (Jun 15)


Wesley Clark on War & Peace
Bush used 9/11 as a pretext to implement Iraq invasion plan. (Nov 17)
Supported Iraq war while we were at war. (Nov 17)
Ask Bush where's the $87B for Iraq coming from? (Sep 25)
Retracts yes vote on Iraq: no imminent threat. (Sep 20)
Committed to survival and preservation of Israel. (Sep 20)
Would probably have voted yes on Iraq war authorization. (Sep 19)
Yes to Iraqi $87B if Bush makes exit strategy. (Sep 19)
Ordered attack on Russian troops in Kosovo. (Sep 17)
Avoid Bush's unilateralism and work with our allies. (Sep 8)
Exit strategy in Iraq won't work if we invade its neighbors. (Sep 8)
We went into Iraq under false pretenses. (Aug 17)
Get the Iraqis involved in taking responsibilities. (Jul 9)
Iraq distracts from the War on Terror. (Jun 27)
Need Marshall Plan for Middle East and Afghanistan. (Jun 17)
Israel: bring in Syria and Iran into peace talks. (Jun 17)
Include moderate Arabs in US-led Mideast contact group. (Jun 15)
Be wary of abridging civil rights to fight terrorism. (Jun 15)
Allies are key to victory in war on terror, not obstacles. (Sep 2002)
NATO was the reason for our victory in Kosovo. (Sep 2002)
Palestinians decided to return to terrorism after 2000. (Mar 2002)
Solution to terrorism is not bullets but world community. (Oct 2001)
Kosovo success shows military can achieve humanitarian goal. (Jul 2001)


Wesley Clark on Welfare & Poverty
No stance on record.

http://www.issues2002.org/Wesley_Clark.htm

[maddezmom]

26. here are a few links on Clark's plan on Welfare and Poverty

http://clark04.com/issues/childpoverty/

http://clark04.com/issues/cities/

[wndycty]

18. He has a turnaround plan for every state in the Union

http://www.clark04.com/issues/turnaround/map/

[tabasco]

20. Intelligent. Charismatic. Sincere.

Clark is in it for all the right reasons. Clark is a true patriot and a reluctant politician. He has enormous leadership ability, and I hope the Democrats are wise enough to make him their candidate. Clark can handily defeat Bush

[MoonRiver]

22. Yes! What's not to love about the General?

:loveya:

[Lefta Dissenter]

24. the fact that he's already married? :)

OK, it was just a JOKE, SORRY, Gert!!!!

I agree with every wonderful thing that has been said about Wesley Clark so far - and I'm glad that finally people are seeing that, despite rumors to the contrary, Clark has been VERY specific in his policies for domestic issues. If you have any questions about what he stands for, DO visit his website www.Clark04.com.

Clark believes in transparency in government, and obviously in campaigning, as well!

[MoonRiver]

25. So am I, very happily I might add!

Never hurts to point out the obvious! BTW, I think Gert is adorable and one of the General's strongest assets! Wes AND Gert, we
:loveya:

[JasonFromWaltham]

64. The best First Family

I think it is great to see them together. Both are extremely dynamic, intelligent, caring people. I had the extreme pleasure of participating in a half hour conversation with Gert after the Durham debate along with a handful of other supporters. It was the best experience I have yet to have on the campaign trail. Getting access to Wes is tough, you get the death grip, a smile and a kind ear, but there are usuaully a half does camera crews around. If you really want to understand the family and Wes better, why they decided to enter the race look in the back corner and see if you can find Gert. I assure you it will be at least as rewarding of an experience as talking to Wes. It is clear their family is a team, where each member contributes to the relationshio and we, as supporters, are welcome in to their "greater family". I almost feel like my own mom and dad are running for office. Truly heartwarming

[Myra]

28. Wesley Clark seems to have every kind of intelligence...

And the abilities to grasp huge issues and the finer details, to learn incredibly quickly, to articulate his ideas (when he hasn't lost his voice :)), and connect to people with his wit and empathy.

Yet as I've often noticed, the smartest people, like him, are the most humble.

[proud patriot]

29. I like Wes Clark

I believe he has brought a positive
aura to the primary in his refusing
to attack and take the low road when
baited by the media .

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

30. I need to add one more thing.

Never trust a person who won't look you in the eye.

There is not one person who has ever met the General and hasn't reported..."He looked me in the eye" and said whatever he said. I can contest to that fact...I shook his hand and he looked me in the eye and said, "Thank You for coming and Thank You for your support." He did the same to my son except in that conversation not only did he look him straight in the eye, he had both hands on his shoulders while he talked to him. He Is SO personable and warm. Watch him on TV if you have never met him. Whoever he is speaking to he looks in the eye....THAT is a man of honor. A man who is telling the truth. A man who believes in what he is saying. And a man who just HAS to be our president! If he's ever in a town near you, GO SEE HIM! You will NOT be sorry and I'll bet you become a convert to his campaign. :)

[MoonRiver]

31. And wouldn't it be lov-e-ly to have another AK Rhodes Scholar

cream another *! :D

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. LOL!

Sure would! I'm looking forward to it! :7 Election night will be unbelievably nerve wracking! Gotta stock up on some SAM ADAMS and CHEETOS!

"Man cannot live by Cheetos alone." Wes said so. :7

[Lefta Dissenter]

32. good point, Cog! :)

Firm handshake, direct eye contact. My dad instilled in us that those two are necessary when meeting anyone. I've always judged people by that, to some extent; fair or unfair, that's just the way I am. And the General has a GREAT handshake - not just slapping his hand past to 'allow' as many supporters as possible to touch him, but an actual, look you in the eye, grasp your hand handshake.

And SayWhat, yes, I'm actually married, too - have been for 24 years, but that doesn't stop me from a little fantasy! In reality, I don't think I'd be up to the job. Gert has not had an easy life, being married to the military. She sure must love the guy - to stick with him for all these years!

[Auntie Bush]

39. How could she not

stick with a guy like that. He truly respects her as a woman and he will transfer that to all woman. Man I love the guy! And I've been married for 43 years but my heart goes all a flutter and a smile creeps across my face every time I see him. I agree with everything he stands for. Don't have time now to write all the wonderful things I think of him.

Since I don't have posting privleges I just wanted to take this opportunity to wish you all a Merry Christmas...as my beautiful lovely Mother died today and I won't be back to this board for a few days. I'll miss you all as I spend alot of time here. In the meantime...all you Clarkies keep up the good work...and remember...no Dean bashing...just Clark enlightenment! Merry Christmas!

[MoonRiver]

40. So sorry for your loss. We lost my mother in law 2 years ago. It's hard.

:hug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. I'm so sorry for your loss.

My condolences to you and your family.

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. You're right.

A firm handshake too! There's NOTHING worse than shaking a man's hand and have it be a wimpy little handshake...sends up red flags. I'm female and trust no one who doesn't have the guts to look me in the eye and give a firm handshake. Especially, a man. Wesley fulfilled BOTH.
<sigh> I love the man! :loveya:

[HoosierClarkie]

69. I'll second that.

He absolutely looks you in the eye. As a person who has been behind the scenes, I can tell you he is genuine.

[gulliver]

35. Clark scales well.

It is easy to picture him in a national and worldwide context.

The one BBC reporter gal that appears on TV over here all the time said that Brits found Clark very interesting, for example.

Michael Moore likes Clark. Clinton reportedly likes him. We can be relatively sure that Clark's successful effort as SACEUR will help him worldwide -- not to mention his upcoming testimony against Milosevic.

Only neocons like Rove actively dislike Clark, but with them it is more like fear. Clark is our chance to isolate and destroy neocons and the perverters of capitalism who are, ahem, whoring our country.

[frustrated_lefty]

36. He's a bright man,

relaxed and self-confident. He doesn't have to posture like chimpy.

[Crewleader]

38. General Wesley Clark is The Sure Thing!

He's got my vote and alot of other voters across party lines for this great man who has the leadership to get this country secure and back with a strong alliance building a coalition towards peace!

And for the experience putting our domestic affairs in order like no other, he manage the whole economics of the military forces. His background along in his education and experience is a strong resume of hope for all of us.

He will stand toe to toe with George W. Bush and he's the only one that can out do him in all areas with four shining stars to go along with it!

Along with my vote General Wesley Clark, you're a man of honor, you came forth, stepping up to the draft and becoming a candidate we desperately need for President, I salute you, sir!

[sandnsea]

41. Old-fashioned patriotism

I really think he has it and I really think he's running because he sees this country going in a very bad direction. He'd be tough for Bush to beat.

[OKNancy]

42. Wesley Clark would be a great President

It is not just the campaign, it's the job.
He would make the best President. He has the smarts and the temperment for the job.

[1971]

43. "The One" to defeat the NeoCon Matrix (n/t)

[mdguss]

44. Clark is a good guy:

And, in my view, he is the kind of person who is moderate enough to earn a substantial share of the military vote. The military is none too happy with some of Bush's policies, but they also are a little bit tepid when it comes to supporting Democrats. Nominating Clark might be a good way to bring more people into our big tent.

[Moderator]

46. kick

[littlejoe]

47. Wesley Clark is a wonderful man

and I would be honored to have him as my Vice President.

[kaybea]

50. Trump card: Electibility among the mushy middle.

Then there's his personal charms and amenable policy positions. Now, put him at the top with VP being John Edwards, who has a great 'meme' of work vs. wealth and a genuine progressive tax platform, and there's a fantastic ticket.

Does it hurt that they both are telegenic? Is it wrong to acknowledge it?
Not on your life.

The fact that some women and men in the voting public might want to eat them with a spoon is a v. good thing. Motivation to go to the polls doesn't have to be pure, so long as the candidates on the ticket will do good things for the country. They would, hearts are in the right place. Just my gut instinct, don't mean to offend anyone.

[mlawson]

65. Yep. Without that, winning is virtually impossible.

They are the ones who decide elections (except when the SCOTUS does it).

[mzmolly]

52. He appears sincere and 'patriotic'

though the P word has been perverted by the right, I mean it in the best of ways...

[LWolf]

70. I can agree with this.

I believe he is sincere about what he says, and cares about the state of the nation. I also think he would be a long sight better than Bush. If he is nominated, he will have my vote.

[HoosierClarkie]

71. I do not know if you've seen this...

but in a town hall meeting a woman stood up and told him she was in the military and sexually assaulted by fellow military men. I will always remember the look on his face. Something between remorse for failing her as a General and disgust for some of the aspects of the military. It was such an honest expression. His honesty and complex feelings about the shortcomings of the military and its strengths are why I feel so secure in my decision with Clark as my candidate.

[JasonFromWaltham]

72. For those who wnat to see it

http://www.lifes-abeach.com/vidclips/c04092603_clark.rm

[Moderator]

53. kick

[DeepModem Mom]

54. "consigliere" and "theft"

Lest we forget, three years ago -- Statement from Clark campaign: "...Bush family CONSIGLIERE James Baker...was the driving force behind George W. Bush's THEFT of the 2000 election...."

[Cheswick2.0]

57. Yes that is my favorite thing about him... also

he can win swing votes. I think we would be just fine with Clarks as President.

[Moderator]

55. kick

[jpgpenn]

56. Clark is the man for the job!

President Clark!:kick:

[TexasSissy]

58. He's simply the best.

Wes is the best candidate. He's the smartest and the most knowledgeable in a variety of areas needed in a job such as President of the United States. He is an experienced leader. He has it all. He has an advanced degree in economics AND he has glowing military experience. Intelligence doesn't necessarily make for an excellent President, but it sure helps in grasping the complex global issues that a United States President must contend with. It also makes him less likely to be swayed by his staff.

He's also an energetic, hard worker. I doubt he'll be going down to Crawford to "rest" for a month or so, during his term.

He's not a skilled "politician," and this is to his advantage. It makes him appear somewhat awkward at times in comparison with the smooth talkers, but his vision, ideas, and message (i.e., the substance) are always there.

Clark's the one. I sincerely believe it would be best for the country's future, and best for our chances of winning the election in 2004, for Clark to win the nomination. He really understands that his run at Presidency would be as a steward for the country's future, rather than for his own glory. He would sincerely do his best to do what is right, after careful consideration of the consequences. And after listening to others. Oh, I could go on and on.

[Auntie Bush]

63. I second that!

I agree 100% with everything you said TexasSissy. Very good discription of how we feel about Clark.

[Cornus]

66. I third that!

I just wish that others would start seeing what we all see.

[mot78]

59. Where do I start

1. He's articulate and is now fending off RW puke.

2. He has a military record that gives him credibility on attacking *

3. In this growing age of the Internet, tv is still relevant, and Clark is well suited for it personalliy-wise.

4. His years of being apolitical will help him garner swing voters next year, and hopefully parts of the south.

[eileen_d]

60. Clark has some great one-liners

associated with the campaign -- "All Patriot, No Act"
And his description of Bush* -- "All Bully, No Pulpit"

And who could forget "The Wes Wing" :)

I made my first donation to Clark last night and am going to volunteer for his campaign (as much as I can from my remote location vis a vis the primaries). I am impressed by the leadership qualities that Clark demonstrates in his public appearances and in the accounts I have read about him. I am also thrilled that he does fall into the trap of attacking other Democratic candidates.

I want Wes in the White House. I don't want him as VP. I want to vote for his name at the top of the ticket in the next General Election (heh, no pun intended). And I think there are a lot of other Democrats, Republicans and Independents who will want to vote for Clark as well. And when they vote for Clark, they will be voting FOR a candidate -- not voting against Bush.

[FrenchieCat]

61. Wes Clark

Is the man for these times!

Some may want to take our country back
Wes Clark wants to take our country forward.......nuff said!

[eileen_d]

62. Yeah! That's another one of those one-liners

that I forgot. Not that those are essential parts of a candidacy... but I still appreciate them!

[JasonFromWaltham]

68. He has created new members of the Democratic Party

Several of us long time independents have become party members and local committee members BECAUSE Clark joined the party. For the first time in my life I say someone join the party who I felt a real kinship with and that if the party would accept a person like him, they would accept a person like me.

A Former Independent who has voted for Republican, Democrat, Green and independent candidates in the past. Having voted for a Republican does not make you evil as some people suggest. :)

[Gloria]

73. Clark seems at ease with himself.....which translates into a soothing

presence. He's not frenetic, doesn't scream or get red-faced.

Besides his impressive resume and his brains, he comes across as approachable and likable and someone who will wear well over the long term.

I think these qualities are an enormous advantage against Bush. The contrast is unbelievable.

[LTR]

74. Gee, where do I start?

I've said many good things about Wes Clark, and I honestly think he is the most intelligent and qualified candidate running for president in ANY party (including the GOP - sorry Shrub!).

Very personable, very genuine, and charismatic.

Reminds me of Bill Clinton in '92. Remember the contrast between the personable, caring Clinton and the aloof, distant and out of touch Bush Sr.? History can repeat itself, folks.

Wes Clark has many similarities to Bill Clinton, who I greatly admire. Only he's more progressive and has much less baggage. If you liked Clinton, you'll love Wes Clark. Even if you detested Bill Clinton, not much you can really dislike in the General.

I strongly believe Wes Clark is the best chance the Dems have in '04, and he may go down as the best Dem president since FDR and Truman.

[JasonFromWaltham]

75. AMEN!

"I strongly believe Wes Clark is the best chance the Dems have in '04, and he may go down as the best Dem president since FDR and Truman."

He is "my grandfathers democrat". My grandparents always voted Dem there whole lives, I had always been an independent until I saw Wes. Now I understand their devotion. If we only had more candidates like Wes.

[Donna Zen]

76. Clark get it.

Hour upon hour of defending Wesley Clark. Why do I do it? I do it because I heard something that I thought had died, but to my surprise was only buried, a belief in a democratic ideal. I do it because I really do want the troops to quit dying. I do it because the charges against him are never about policy but go to the heart of his honor, and anyone with a shred of decency left would do the same. Wesley Clark has awakened the child who listened in civics classes and knew America really could be a great place, run by smart honest people who respected the Constitution and wanted to do the right thing. Simple? Perhaps after Vietnam and Watergate, you to thought we didn’t have a chance to spare ourselves from ruin. And yet, here it is; a man that gets it.

The country is off course run by two parties whose self-interests trump the countries interests. The solutions are available, but the solutions are never discussed. Clark wants that dialogue, he wants to right the ship and steer it back to its foundation of a vision of a working self-government. That is no easy trick, but by demanding accountability of those we elect, and building on the rule of law, there is hope. While others may talk a mean game, Clark communicates through his words and actions how we can return to our better angels. I would like to give him that chance, because there is no one else who wants to give me, us, my child, the chance to live in a better world.

Can he win. Yes, he is the one of that I am quite sure. Does he have the political skill to govern and make our vision a reality. Yes. He is not a partisan politician and his position of being above the fray will serve us well. So as the Democrats play out their ridiculous power struggle toward no particular goal, and the republicans prepare their dirty tricks, I just keep working and hoping that the spirit that drove the need for this nation will come and rescue from ourselves before it is too late.

[Spazito]

77. Wow! Well said!

*

[tlcandie]

78. kick

n/t

[FrenchieCat]

79. Kick again!

:kick:

[Dr Fate]

81. Importantly, he is aware of media bias against him & DEMS...

...he never lets the media folks get the upper hand on him- very important for a DEM candidate....

[JasonFromWaltham]

82. Supports the ICC

Clark testifies at the International Criminal Court today and tomorrow against Milosivich. It highlights how he feels we need to fully support this organization and put Saddam before the international community for trial instead of a US court. International law vs American "Justice". Clark is the best counterpoint to Bush's wild west style posse mentality.

Either way, today was a bad day for dictators.... lets make sure it does not creat a new one at home.