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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 12:58 AM
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Wash Post editorial about the group running the Dean attack ad
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 01:07 AM by pruner
Is Secrecy a Progressive Value?

Sunday, December 14, 2003; Page B06

SOME HARD-HITTING ADS have been running in Iowa. One compares former Vermont governor Howard Dean to President Bush, citing both men's "top grades" from the National Rifle Association. The latest notes that "Howard Dean and George Bush stood together and supported the unfair NAFTA trade agreement." At the end, the announcer intones, "So if you thought Howard Dean had a progressive record, check the facts. And please, think again." But it's not any of Mr. Dean's rivals who are seeking this reconsideration. Instead, it's a new entity that calls itself "Americans for Jobs, Healthcare and Progressive Values."

Values that don't include letting voters know who's footing the bill. The group has spent $230,000 for the first week of ads, but it won't say where the money is coming from. Under the out-of-sync reporting schedule that governs such groups, donors' names don't have to be revealed until early February, after the caucuses are safely over. Meanwhile, its identity is getting more and more mysterious: Early last week, its president was Timothy L. Raftis, a former aide to Sen. Tom Harkin; now, a new president has suddenly appeared on the group's Web site: former representative Edward Feighan (D-Ohio). The group's treasurer is fundraiser David Jones, who has worked for one of Mr. Dean's chief rivals, Rep. Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri -- but suddenly, it has a new spokesman, John Kerry's former press secretary, Robert Gibbs, which might suggest, to the conspiracy-minded, an effort to deflect attention from a possible Gephardt connection. (The Gephardt campaign says it knows nothing about the group.)

So is the money from unions that back Mr. Gephardt but don't want to be publicly connected to this anti-Dean campaign? At least some such unions have been solicited. Or is it from a few wealthy donors who don't like Mr. Dean -- and perhaps are backing another one of the trailing Democratic candidates? From Republicans who want to take Mr. Dean down a few notches? There's no way for a voter in Iowa to know, not in time for that information to make a difference. The group could voluntarily disclose its backers before the legal deadline, but it won't. "The reason is that's what we've chosen to do. . . . We want to ensure that we have full disclosure rather than piecemeal," Mr. Raftis told us.


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This outside-group dodge is troubling enough when employed by those who don't pretend to believe in campaign finance reform. From those who pose as champions of "progressive values," it's despicable. "I believe strongly in the view of Thomas Jefferson that an informed electorate helps insure the strength of democracy," Mr. Raftis said on the group's Web site. Informed, that is, of what he chooses to tell them. What hypocrisy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61289-2003Dec12.html
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:01 AM
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1. kick for the lying liars
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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:06 AM
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3. lying liars?
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 01:10 AM by curse10
come on. :eyes:

and, on edit: it doesn't need a kick 3 minutes after it was posted :eyes:
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:06 AM
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2. Gephardt's Unions
Either with or without his knowledge. That's the latest refinement to my theory. :-)

DTH
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:08 AM
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4. if the Dean campaign somehow gets to the bottom of this
after they release the ad (I don't think they'll link Kerry or Gephardt to it, just the generic Washington establishment Democrat that is afraid of the people behind Dean), I think they'll come out with it after the primaries or before the primaries if their info is solid.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:08 AM
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5. I just edited the original post…
to include the paragraph referring to the possiblity of Gephardt's union buddies being behind this.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:14 AM
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7. then pooh on them!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:12 AM
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6. Could be...
have to chew on that idea. Not sure that it fits... but it could. Still doesn't bode well - but is less awful than a hidden campaign effort (eg from actual dem campaigns.)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:16 AM
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8. Interesting thesis, DTH (n/m)
:D
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:16 AM
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9. I'd say so, this seems like union stuff
Especially the NAFTA part because Kerry isn't anti-NAFTA. They're pretty vicious. I hope not though, it's the kind of thing that's given them a bad name for years.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:27 AM
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11. although....
That's true, the anti-NAFTA segment kind of surprised me, as quite a few dems are a-ok with NAFTA. Maybe it isn't Kerry and/or Lieberman...
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 01:26 AM
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10. I am not so sure about Gephardt...
The tone of the Osama ad reminds quite a lot of Kerry and Lieberman's latest debate talking points, which really bothers me.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:29 AM
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13. who knows?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 02:28 AM
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12. kick
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 03:21 AM
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14. Oh, I'm sure none of Dean's rivals have anything to do with this...
So I expect them to denounce this group immediatly...

Right?

...

Right... ?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:10 AM
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15. that's the sound of crickets chirping
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:17 AM
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16. Here in MO
The Unions funded a group called the "Coalition to protect Education and Healthcare." Funding the PR and transportration for lobby\rally purposes is something they do pretty regularly.
FYI Gep's people run the state to a certain extent. Who will be financed by the party to run, etc. They Unions are his muscle. Wouldn't surprise me if the Unions did it. Just a transfer of Gep's machinery. That isn't to say that it was done with his knowledge. I suspect they would play it smart and keep him in the dark, but I would not be surprised if his people are behind it. They seem to believe that they are an overt political mafia of the midwest.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:18 AM
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17. ugh, some unions suck
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