Civil rights hero Andrew Young to endorse Clark

[meow mix]

yay! =)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/12/10/politics1436EST0675.DTL

Andrew Young, a civil rights trailblazer and former U.N. ambassador, plans to endorse Democrat Wesley Clark for president, giving the retired Army general a boost in primary states with a significant number of minority voters.

[pruner]

1. this is pretty fucking undemocratic if you ask me

black people didn't fight for their right to vote just so some uncle tom can can tell them who to vote for.

[TrueAmerican]

3. Who are you calling an Uncle Tom?

Andrew Young? I didn't think he was. What's your basis?

[ima_sinnic]

21. hello? sarcasm

[neuvocat]

79. Like hell!

[Terwilliger]

4. as much as I dislike your Deaniactions...

I agree with your sarcasm here

I'm waiting for the Clarkies to reject Young's endorsement as "undue influence"

[JVS]

101. They won't

Only endorsements of non-Clark candidates are perversions of Democracy.

[Toucano]

142. Just like national polls

that show Dean in the lead are suddenly no longer mere "name recognition" at this point but signs of inevitability. :)

For the record, I have not been bothered by Gore's endorsement. If Gore were running, he'd be the nominee and Clark wouldn't even be in the race. I respect both Gore and Dean and wish them the best.

[Myra]

145. Here's my "me too" post. Gore and Young have every right to endorse.

I wish both endorsements had been for Clark, but I'm glad the
General will get this one. I hope he gets a lot more.

And voters have every right to ignore endorsements.
Declarations that endorsements of candidate x are
a commandment to support candidate x are histrionic.

[Clark Can WIN]

141. I didn't know that Young was making a power play

to become the "elder statesman of the party" maybe that's why.

Maybe because TRADITIONALLY Presidents and VP's have held off and stayed out of it LETTING THE VOTERS DECIDE instead of asking them to bow down and give up. Maybe that's why.

[neuvocat]

8. Somebody's opinion is undemocratic, huh?

You mean like Al Gore's?

[ibegurpard]

15. But NOT ONE VOTE HAS BEEN CAST!

How unfair to endorse someone before ONE VOTE HAS BEEN CAST!

[FrenchieCat]

23. ok....

Pruner....Mr. Confederate Flag Jesse Jackson Jr. supporting Dean guy!

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[jeter]

55. Andrew Young is an important civil rights leader

Has been for many years.

[Padraig18]

83. SHAME ON YOU!

Calling a fine public servant like Andrew Young an 'Uncle Tom'! :grr:

[TrueAmerican]

2. Finally a Geninue endorsement

I am sure there were no strings attached.

[ibegurpard]

5. Before even one vote has been cast?!

The nerve of him! Off with his head!
<sarcasm>

[meow mix]

6. its not a presidential endorsement

i mean, he isnt the prez!
sheesh!

[ibegurpard]

9. I'm confused

If it's not a presidential endorsement then what exactly is he endorsing him for? Most congenial?

[meow mix]

14. young, is not the prez! i meant!

sorry, messed up hehe =)

[dave29]

11. So every endorsement counts

except for Al Gore's? That doesn't sound very Democratic.

[theboss]

That's actually my position

Al, Bill, and Hillary should not endorse anyone until after the election. People who poll higher than the candidates they endorse, should not endorse. Their influence is too big.

[meow mix]

24. exactly!

its not vote-stealing, its vote-drowning.

[ibegurpard]

34. I disagree

A person of Mr. Young's stature will have an undue influence upon the primary process. And remember...not one vote has been cast!
:evilgrin:

[theboss]

36. You're just being cute

Young does not outpoll the Democratic field.

[CWebster]

39. No really important endorsements

allowed!!!

[theboss]

44. Now you are getting it

It's not that hard a concept.

[ibegurpard]

50. If you are being serious

then my jaw is dropping at your political naivete.

[theboss]

59. My political naivete?

I've been in the pits since I was five years old. I sat in the WV Supreme Court and watched my mom win the right for women to run for elected office (I'm not joking). I helped with my first state-wide campaign at age 7. I went door to door for Dukakis in '88. I helped organize events for Clinton in '92. I've covered campaigns for newspapers. I've read more books on politics than most people have read magazine articles.

And big-time players should only say, "We got a great group of candidates" until the convention.

[fishnfla]

116. Best face ever!

thank you for your hard work.

[Jerseycoa]

133. Hear, Hear

Don't you just love it? :crazy:

We were all born yesterday, don't you know?

[KittyWampus]

111. The Issue Is Gore Appeared To Say We Should All Rally Around Dean

and Gore should have made an effort to phrase his endorsement so that he didn't seem to be undermining the democratic process.

[maddezmom]

42. no campaign should throw in the towel before any votes are cast

That's my point. I have no problem with Gore's endorsement of Dean.

[Eloriel]

118. I disagree with that vehemently

And not because of Dean.

I was thoroughly in favor of ALL the candidates being in -- and staying in -- until the first primaries. But after viewing all these debates and realizing that some candfidates don't really HAVE viable campaigns even while they take up equal space on a very crowded stage, I've changed my mind.

They don't have the money to wage viable campaigns, they're not even going thru the motions that well. I believe they brought a valuable voice to the campaign as a whole, but thry shoulcn't be entertained for much longer -- certainly not in any more debates.

Of course I fully expected that those who couldn't wage viable campaigns would drop out as that became obvious, buy yhey show no signs of doing that. They are, in that case, taking time from all the other candidates as they get their free air time.

They've been mostly fine so far, but they should be excluded from any further debates.

[maddezmom]

128. so who do you think should drop out? n/t

[deminflorida]

7. Thanks for calling Andrew Young an uncle Tom...I'm sure he and

every other African American out there appreciates that one.

[ima_sinnic]

17. oh right, like you can't tell sarcasm

the whining sour-grapes Clarkies like to dish it out but they sure as hell can't take it

[Justice]

63. Hmmm

Uncle Tom is not sarcasm -- it is rude.

[retyred]

130. And you wonder why dean has trouble relating to blacks!

Uncle Tom, Confederate Flag, "I requested not one but two black room mates"......With support like this, I don't!



retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
So I read this book

[HFishbine]

10. I resent this

The people should decide, not the power elite!

[ibegurpard]

18. Absolutely

And before even ONE VOTE HAS BEEN CAST!

[chimpymustgo]

89. Exactly. Andy Young is NOT the power elite. Al Gore is.

Gore and the Clintons are in a league of their own.

Nobody cried foul when Jesse Jr. endorsed Dean. Young's endorsement of Clark is similar.

And it's sweet.

[dsc]

138. Oh really

I guess you didn't read the several threads that did exactly that. He was called an adulterer, liar, and yes uncle tom. So try again.

[wndycty]

12. Hey Black DUers who support Clark. . .

. . .we should all fly to South Carolina for the endorsement announcement so that we can hold the "African Americans for Clark" signs.

[Terwilliger]

19. are you rejecting this endorsement?

like you reject Gore's endorsement?

After all, Young is telling black folks to vote for Clark BEFORE ONE VOTE IS CAST!

[FrenchieCat]

27. I'm black....

and will hold a "African Americans For Clark" sign......

[Field Of Dreams]

33. Me too...

wish I could take off work to make such a trip!

[Terwilliger]

78. might want to check with xultar about that

he doesn't respect you for that

[xultar]

87. Yo! I am no "he" I'm a She...Just think of Hillary Clinton as a black

woman. That's me.

[Jerseycoa]

136. No

Just hold a "Clark for President" sign and stymie them all!

:smoke:

[wndycty]

32. Tell me where I have rejected Gore's endorsement of Dean. . .

. . .you are projecting. I never criticized Gore's endorsement of Dean I criticized the pandering and the manipulaiton of images to make it appear it has if Dean had a lot of Black support, but I never criticized the endorsement and I actually continue to praise a number of people who have endorsed Dean. Take your week insecure argument elsewhere.

[Terwilliger]

76. you mean running around in a panic over Gore's endorsement?

that's not rejecting the endorsement?

Now you're attacking Dean over the Rangel remark centered on the Gore endorsement....PLEASE! Get a hold of yourself.

[theboss]

35. It's not the same

The only endorsements that should be withheld are the Clintons, Gore, Carter, and maybe Ted Kennedy. And those last two are a stretch.

National Democratic leaders should not endorse. Young is not a national leader. His influence probably does not go outside Atlanta at this point.

This is why no one freaked out at Jesse Jackson, Jr, or frankly anyone else endorsing Dean. Just Al.

[goobergunch]

38. Ted Kennedy has endorsed Kerry

He endorsed him back in February, IIRC.

[ibegurpard]

40. WHAT?

Off with his head!

[goobergunch]

Linky

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2003/01/22/kennedy_backs_kerry.html

Dated January 22.

[ibegurpard]

53. I know goober

I'm just seeing how people react to their ridiculous rhetoric and talking points being thrown back in their face.

[KittyWampus]

115. Well, Here's Your Own Blindspot-

The problem most of us had was Gore suggesting we should all just coalesce around Dean.... because HE says so.

Some made issue about the timing... MANY did not.

And it is a guarentee that if Gore'd endorsed Kerry you'd be hollowing yourselves.

[theboss]

62. I didn't know that.

Interesting. Has he said anything since?

Glad I gave him a maybe.

[theboss]

46. Are you sure?

I completely missed that.

[goobergunch]

49. See the unnumbered post by me above (n/t)

[KittyWampus]

114. Did Kennedy Suggest That Everyone Should Just Rally Around Kerry?

and that Kerry should run without any oppostion?

[JVS]

98. Oh the horror! What will befall our fragile republic when the people's...

will is so brutally suppressed? ;-)

[Clark Can WIN]

143. Are you distorting the content?

I read the article, I didn't see where Young is "telling black folks" anything.

I certainly did not read anything about him telling other candidates supporters to just bow down, quit and get behind his choice BEFORE ONE VOTE IS CAST.

[angee_is_mad]

144. did he say that?

did he tell black people to vote for Clark or did he just say that he was endorsing his campaign?

[xultar]

30. Hell Naw. I'm gonna go but I'm gonna hold a Clark '04 sign I'm already

black. I wouldn't wanna confuse any one by holding a redundant sign.

If I see any signs AA for Clark I will make sure that they are trashed and the campaign will apologize for patronizing the black vote.

You don't have to worry about black folk tellin you like it is. We will.

[Tatiana]

88. I wish I could! n/t

[Kosmos Mariner]

13. Big time endorsement!

Andrew Young has big pull in the south. Very well respected. He helped Carter win in 1976. Go Wes!


:dem:

[BootinUp]

16. Jeopardy question: What is Out-of-control?

This forum..............................................

[xultar]

20. I don't think any endorsements should be given before

the first primary. Andrew Young isn't a Democratic Party leader, nor is he a union president or representive. Andrew Young is a Private citizen not even an elected offical.

No one made a stink about Jessie Jackson Jrs endorsement. Because He isn't a "party official". Jessie Jackson Jr isn't trying set the "framwork" or "Pace" of an entire political party.

When I say endorsements that also includes all of the trade union endorsements that Dean has received.

NO ENDORSEMENTS SHOULD BE GIVEN BEFORE THE FIRST PRIMARY!!!

Turra

[xultar]

26. BTW calling Andrew Young an UNCLE TOM isn't sarcasm...it is an INSULT!!!

Dean supporters with all of the FUs to Rangel and the Uncle Tom to Andrew Young you are proving my point.

If this is how the Dean supporters are going to behave, Dean does not deserve the black vote. I will make sure everyone knows how you are behaving.

No one called Jesse Jackson Jr an uncle tom or sad FU JJJr. You guys are really really really sick.

[pruner]

56. Al Sharpton called Jesse Jackson Jr. an Uncle Tom…

and Clarkies defended him.

[xultar]

64. What are you ignorant Al Sharpton is running for President, and He's

a black man. You are comparing Al Sharpton a Black man to an un named white DUer?


OK, you're going on ignore cuz you are ignorant.

[pruner]

75. Al Sharpton is clown shoes

you're outta your fucking mind if you really think he's running for president

[SahaleArm]

129. I bet you were praising him before he criticized Dean.

Long live the hypocrites.

[Justice]

69. What?

I did not support that. Please don't generalize - I am so tired of a few Dean supporters and a few Clark supporters slamming each other and each others candidates and then generalizing as if we were all doing it.


BTW: I never saw any posts supporting Al Sharpton saying JJJ was an Uncle Tom or never saw Al calling JJJ an Uncle Tom.

[theboss]

29. I don't go that far

I just think that certain national figures should withhold until after the primary season.

This would be any former or current Presidents or Vice Presidents.
Past nominees.
First ladies or former first ladies.
The head of the DNC.
And maybe Ted Kennedy.

These people have enormous influence and should withhold it until the process sorts itself.

Union endorsements don't bother me since they are of local influence. A union can help you win Wisconsin, but maybe not Louisiana. I think that's fine since these are local contests.

[xultar]

68. I wasn't saying till after the season, I was saying just before the first

primary.

I could however get with your program. I just want to be consistant and fair in my statements

[theboss]

80. That makes sense to some degree

Though it would limit the effectiveness of unions in Iowa and NH. I just don't think unions have the influence a Gore or Clinton have nationally. They aren't going to interrupt the Today show to announce that the Welders are backing Gephardt.

[Jerseycoa]

139. I wasn't upset about Gore endorsing Dean

I grew upset after seeing a thousand posts at DU telling us how the primary was over and the rest of us could all board the Dean Express or go home.

I became further upset when Al Gore suggested something similar. Telling us how democracy is a team sport, we all have to get behind the strongest candidate, and anybody who criticized Dean would be hurting the party.

I then became suspicious. Dean has a planned event in Harlem. Dean and Gore were to make the announcement in Iowa, according to the first reports. Then Gore goes to Harlem first. Two blocks from Clinton's office. Rangel is snubbed in his own district, and if Dean didn't know any better, Gore certainly did.

If there is an embroglio in the Democratic Party, Gore and Dean asked for it, and so did those Dean supporters here who overstepped the bounds of civility and democracy reacting to this endorsement.

I don't believe Dean is a racist, but he hasn't found steady ground, either, and he needs better counsel than he has been getting in this area.

[HFishbine]

58. What a convoluted load

It's getting really funny now to see the logic knots some people will tie themselves into in order to sustain an untenable position.

"Young isn't a Democratic Party leader" -- neither is Gore.

"Andrew Young is a Private citizen not even an elected offical." -- Gore is also a private citizen and not an elected official, unless you want to count the fact that he was previously an elected official, which, of course, Young was too.

[ibegurpard]

66. Yeah, I'm enjoying it quite a bit too.

n/t

[Turkw]

91. I havn't said one thing about any other endorsment

for another candidate, including Dean, but, then, none of the other endorsements were hailed in the press as being from the Leader of the Democratic party. None of the other endorsemnts for any candidate got the same kind of press coverage. Why do ALL of the press reports see this as being unexpected and a real surprise if it were just another endorsent?

Because it is not. It is different, and you know it. I'm happy to see endorsements for my candidate, but I don't want the "Leaders" of the party to descide for me who I can vote for, even if it is Clark. I'm getting pretty sick of having my vote taken away from me, I live in Florida.

[theboss]

72. Gore should be president

That gives him a little more credibility than Young.

Hell, Gore would beat any candidate in the field right now. That's too much influence for one endorsement. That's the issue.

I like Edwards. But if Clinton enodrsed Edwards, I would be very very uncomfortable with it.

If Gore wants to be involved, he should run. Otherwise, wait until the convention and give a prime-time speech, screaming "Avenge me, lads!!!" at the end. That would rock.

[HFishbine]

92. If Clinton endorsed Edwards

I'd be giving you a big ol' high five, with no gripes.

[theboss]

107. I'd be pissed

And Clinton knows better . . .I think . . . I hope.

[xultar]

77. Not vice president. Gore's endorsement was seen as validation

by an ENTIRE party.

Jessie Jackson Jr, Charles Rangel, when they endorsed it was basically ok they go with candidate X.

Andrew Young is seen as a leader of the Black community because of his work with MLK and the civil rights movement. Andrew Young's endorsement is a big Deal to Black america and the South.

I was watching a documentary on endorsements. When Andrew Young endorsed Carter the black vote was very strong. Yes, Andrew Young is a private citizen. To me he is a leader and a man to be respected. That was what I was taught growing up.

[chimpymustgo]

93. Got mirror?

nt

[JVS]

112. Yup. Evidently Gore doesn't deserve to speak his mind

[KittyWampus]

119. No, Gore Doesn't Deserve To Tell Other Canidates To Fall In Line

Behind Dean.

Gore, if he had any class, should have given Dean a hearty endorsement without appearing to suggest that everyone else (candidates and activists for others running) should follow his lead WITHOUT ANY PRIMARY VOTES BEING CASTE.

[JVS]

121. I don't take kindly to your calling Gore classless.

Are you sure you are on the right board?

[w13rd0]

22. Congrats on this endorsement...

...n/t

[maddezmom]

31. Thanks :) n/t

[maddezmom]

25. December 21st will be a good day for Clark

:)

[Field Of Dreams]

28. Cool! Clark has a great chance to dominate in the South.

n/t

[goobergunch]

41. Congratulations to Clark and his supporters on this endorsement

It's a good endorsement from the man who I wish was going to be the next Senator from Georgia. It also will help with Clark's support among the African-American community, especially in the South.

[tnlefty]

57. Yeah, it broke my heart when I read that he wasn't going to run for

that senate seat.

[phillybri]

43. Great pickup!

:kick:

[ibegurpard]

45. Despite my sarcastic comments above

I congratulate the Clark campaign on this endorsement. An opinion from someone with the stature of Mr. Young will reflect very positively on General Clark.

[usregimechange]

47. congrats, clark supporters

[CMT]

48. Congratulations to the Clark supporters

from a Dean supporter for getting a big one!!

[Turkw]

51. The difference is

That this endorsement, like all of the other endorsements for ALL the candidates, including Dean and Clark, except Al Gore's are seen as being appropriate. Carter, the Clintons, and a few others are seen as having so much status and power in the party that their endorsements would be seen as undue and inappropriate influence until a much later time in the process. Gore stated that the purpose of his timeing was to get a win early, so HE desided to try to pick a winner, using his influence and stature. So, yes, we are upset at Gore. Other endorsements, such as Young or Jackson Jr. are status quo, appropriate, and though the other candidates may want them, are not seen as having disrupting influence.

[ibegurpard]

54. Lame parsing.

n/t

[Turkw]

65. So you would welcome

Carter, the Clintons, Terry McAuliffe, heck throw Nader in, if they all endorsed another canditate, perhaps the same one, right now?

[ibegurpard]

71. Bet your ass I would.

And if they didn't endorse the candidate I was supporting I would be pissed and disappointed but I wouldn't go off on the lame track of trying to say that endorsements are inappropriate.

[Turkw]

81. This is what the Republicans have done to their party, and now

Slowly, more and more Republicans are wakeing up to the fact that their party has been hijacked by a narrow few intrests. For Republicans to think this is saying something, not like they were a broad group to begin with. They quached McCain, who had real legitimate support in their party, sorry if I don't want coronations to happen in my party.

[theboss]

86. See, I would be pissed even if it was my candidate

I think the primary process is too important.

[meow mix]

73. that would put me off

that would look like serious kingmaking to me,
and i would rebel...
and not vote for thier candidate.

but since gore already did that, he opened your "floodgates"

[Turkw]

84. Hopefully not, but

it could happen, I happen to think that the endorsemnt is more about Gore than Dean. I do think that helping Dean and counciling his was more than OK for Gore to do.

[JVS]

113. If they have something to say then they should say it

[meow mix]

60. gores speech

as far as his "reasons" went, thats pretty much what i got out of it too. highly insulting.

[Turkw]

61. forgot to say

just to make clear, I'm not upset at Dean, he is trying to win the nomination, I'm mad at Gore! I don't know that I want the flood gates to be wide open and Carter, the Clintons, etc. to endorse now, even if they were to endorse my candidate. I would rather all of us vote after looking at the various candidates and their positions. I am confidendt in the person I am supporting.

[eissa]

52. Andrew Young is a good man

and Clark is lucky to have the endorsment. Congrats!

[Walt Starr]

67. Congratulations!

This endorsement is HUGE and should translate into a great deal of support in all states!

[Justice]

70. Great News!!

Congratulations Wes Clark on this endorsement.

[slinkerwink]

74. who's Andrew Young? It's nice Clark got the endorsement though

go Clarkies!

[meow mix]

82. i have a feeling

youll become well accquaited. dont worry hehehe =)

[maddezmom]

90. slinkerwink thanks for the congrats

here's a link about Andrew Young for some background. I'm sure there are others that are better, but it was the first one I got. :)

http://search.eb.com/blackhistory/micro/650/54.html

[chiburb]

102. Never mind. Don't you get it?

She's a very bright young lady...

[maddezmom]

131. yes...after reading the response

Andrew Young is a lot more important than just Georgia voters...oh well I tried.

[chiburb]

97. Hey Slink ! :

Andrew Young has been at the center of some of the most important events in the second half of the 20th Century. A champion of domestic and international civil rights, Mr. Young has helped to shape our country’s policies as an activist, Congressman, and mayor of one of America’s flourishing cities.

Andrew Young is co-founding Principal and Chairman of GoodWorks International. This involvement allows him to execute his life-long mission of energizing the private sector to advance economic development in Africa and the Caribbean. He puts corporate executives in contact with leaders and key influences in the regions' emerging markets, facilitating the formation of successful business partnerships. He also offers strategic advice to corporations on doing business successfully in those markets, and advises several governments on sound policy-making.

Ambassador Young's vision of advancing economic development with private sector involvement was honed during comprehensive leadership positions in public service and private industry. He began his first of three terms as an U.S. Congressman in 1972. In 1977, under the appointment of President Carter, Ambassador Young represented our country on an international level as the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.

From 1982 to 1989, Ambassador Young served as the Mayor of Atlanta, fostered a time of great prosperity and growth for that city, and played an instrumental role in bringing the 1996 Summer Olympic Games to Atlanta.

http://www.harrywalker.com/speakers_template.cfm?SPEA_ID=233

[slinkerwink]

103. that's great for the people of georgia

and for clark supporters there.

[chiburb]

104. I'm sorry I was stupid enough to respond to your "who's he"...

Its been a long day or I would've gotten your dig at the 1st reading.
My bad, just try and catch me again...

[DancingBear]

105. He's Dean's bass player

Hiding just to the left of the rock and rock animal in your sig line.

:)

[xultar]

85. For those of you who know of Andrew Young and what he is

all about and are congratulating Clark on his endorsements.

Thanks. We appreciate that. Maybe some Clarkies acted "ugly" in regards to other candidates endorsements. That was inappropriate.

Andrew Young is a BIG deal. Charlie Rangel is a BIG deal to the black community as well. Though I think it is early for any endorsements the postive that will come out of it directly affects the black community.

Maybe now the black community will begin to pay attention. Maybe now we will begin to get the ABB attitude instead of being apathetic and ignoring what GWB is doing.

Andrew young has the ability to get Preachers, teachers, and community activist to register people to vote and to get people to sign up to take people with out cars and elderly people to the polls to vote in November. That will help the democratic party as a whole.

[ajacobson]

94. Is there going to be a flurry of endorsements?

Will Gore's endorsement be seen as green light to others who may have been waiting to check out the field? Thoughts?

[BootinUp]

95. It appears that way

Makes sense too.

[Anaxamander]

96. Congrats to General Clark. As for the rest of the board...

...take a pill, please. All of the biting remarks from Deanies and Clarkies that may or may not be sarcasm is really derailing any kind of useful discourse.

But back to the topic at hand, I am proud that one of my fellow Georgians is endorsing General Clark. I hope turns out to be a shot in the arm to his campaign.

[OKNancy]

99. Hey, with Kris Kristofferson and Young

what more do you need?
;-)

[JVS]

100. Congratulations on the endorsement Clarkies

Even though your candidate is a Republican plant and I know how deeply opposed you all are to people endorsing candidates before elections. This really shouldn't have happened, terrible timing ;-) But enjoy it anyway, because god forbid that Clarkies who were enraged that Gore endorsed someone would be consistent a day later.

[kayleybeth]

106. My take on the Gore endorsement

was that some supporters of Clark, Gep, DK, Kerry, etc. were pissed because Gore apparently said the other candidates should stop bashing Dean and unite behind him (I can't vouch for the accuracy of Gore's statement as I didn't read the transcript of Gore's endorsement, it's just what I read here from several different DUers).

Anyway, if Gore actually did say that, I can understand why they would be pissed. No votes have been cast and Gore is asking the other candidates to unite behind Dean? Come on.

What if Clinton had endorsed Clark at this stage of the game and instructed the other candidates to stop bashing Clark and unite behind him? The Dean supporters here would be FURIOUS, and rightly so. We haven't even had the first primary yet.

Just for the record, I am a Clark supporter and I'm not pissed about Gore's endorsement at all. What does piss me off is that some of the Dean supporters here seem to be insisting that the race is now over and Dean has the nomination sewn up and everyone else should just fold up their tents and go home.

A lot can happen between now and the convention. As much as you may want it to be so, a Dean nomination is by no means inevitable, Gore endorsement or no.

[theboss]

108. Gore did say that

I had the biggest problem with that. I would be angry if he simply said this is the best man for the job. But he basically told the rest of the field to quit and unite behind Dean as well. It was ridiculously condescending to hear it from someone of Gore's stature.

[kayleybeth]

109. Thanks for confirming that Gore did say that

I didn't see the transcript but after reading about Gore's remarks here on DU that was my problem with the whole thing too. I notice no Dean supporters have come forward to refute this particular point. I guess it's just easier for them to write it off as "sour grapes", LOL!

[mmonk]

110. I'm sure he'll say

we can't afford to be divisive so lets keep our eyes on the prize and line up behind Clark so we can defeat Bushco.:hi:

[kayleybeth]

117. And if he says that, he would be out of line

and an awful lot of Dean supporters will throw hissy fits and say it's not fair for Young to make such a suggestion this early in the game. And an awful lot of Dean supporters are going to look like bleeding hypocrites in light of the way they wholeheartedly defended Gore's recent (and almost identical) remarks regarding Dean.

[MoonRiver]

120. Great News!

Now that Al Gore has opened the presidential endorsement flood gate, bring 'em on!
:bounce: :D :bounce:

[IndianaGreen]

122. This is another blow to Kerry!

Kerry has better liberal credentials than anyone else running. Having Young endorse a newbie like Clark over Kerry says a lot to those that are still doubtful about Clark's commitment to civil rights.

[sleipnir]

123. Andrew Young is just angling for a 2008 run or a Cabinet post.

It's soooo obvious...

[IndianaGreen]

125. I disagree, Andy Young is honest and straightforward

Young is not the type to have a secret agenda, or play the ass-kissing-back-stabbing political games that are so popular in the Beltway.

If Young is endorsing Clark, it is because he is comfortable with Clark as a Democratic candidate for President.

[sleipnir]

126. That was sarcasm...Those types of "claims" come out with every endorsement

"(Insert endorsee's name here) is just angling for 2008", or "they're just looking for an easy cabinet post" or "It's so obvious that (endorsee's name) is looking to gain political ground for the next election"

I'm just trying to point out how silly it is that those claims come out each time and endorsement arrives.

[IndianaGreen]

132. You are right, sleipnir!

I'm just trying to point out how silly it is that those claims come out each time and endorsement arrives.

This is the silly season!

[Q]

124. Wow...the children are fighting again...

- Comeon people....you're acting like a bunch of children. Be glad when someone, anyone endorces a Democratic candidate. It's great that Gore supports Dean. It's great that Young supports Clark.

- What's with this bunch that follows each other around sniping about which endorcement is credible and which is not? Will DU have to suffer this shit every time this happens?

- Meanwhile...GWB* is laughing his ass off as he rapes and pillages our nation and future.

[IndianaGreen]

127. GOD endorses Bush! (No need for an election)

you're acting like a bunch of children. Be glad when someone, anyone endorces a Democratic candidate. It's great that Gore supports Dean. It's great that Young supports Clark.

I must add my support to what you are saying Q! This sniping about who endorsed whom is another version of "my dick is bigger than yours."

Let's act as mature adults and congratulate each candidate's supporters for each hard-won endorsement their candidate gets. In the final analysis, it is up to the voters who the nominee will be, not the number of endorsements.

No matter how many endorsements a Democratic candidate gets, it pales next to Bush's. Bush's supporters are convinced that GAWD himself endorsed Bush. How can we compete with a Supreme Being that doesn't pay taxes and doesn't have a Green Card to enter the country?

[goobergunch]

135. Hear, hear

It's good to hear a voice of reason in these threads.

:thumbsup:

[meow mix]

134. ty

well im off to a hotel for a few days. my gramma sold us a house gotta get it termited grr. byyyye

[mot78]

137. His endorsement helped get Carter and Mondale nominated

I hope it has the same effect on Clark. Looks like the Deanies arn't the only ones getting a big endorsement.

[cosmicdot]

140. Andrew Young is good corporate citizen

Andrew Young serves as member of the Board of Directors of numerous businesses and organizations, including Archer Daniels Midland, Atlanta Market Center, Cox Communications, Delta Airlines, Film Fabricators, and Thomas Nelson Publishing. He serves on the Advisory Board of Argus Newspapers, Barrick Gold, The Martin Luther King Center for Non-violent Social Change and The United Nations Foundation.

http://www.whartonglobalforum.com/africa/andy_young.asp

I sure hope he keeps Peter Monk's Barrick Gold's exploitation of mines in such places as Africa and South America, and the locals it employs, within humane conditions.

I'm sure as serving on Barrick's International Advisory Board, he knows nothing of Barrick's shady dealings.

Barrick Gold, of course, employed Poppy Bush for awhile after Poppy left office ... Poppy virtually gave away some gold mines in the USA.
http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specials_2003-04/articles/10437-2.html

Bruce Babbitt, called Barrick’s claim the “biggest gold heist since the days of Butch Cassidy.”

It would have been nice if Andrew had beaten Zell-out Miller ... what a difference that would have made.

I still sense - with an endorsement here, an endorsement there - we might have a brokered, draft convention.