I'm sick of this line...

[antineocon1]

It's environmentalists fault that we're in Iraq right now because we won't let them drill in the US. I try to explain to them that even if we did so it wouldn't last but more than ten years. Does anyone have good links to back this up. My effing computer blew up and I lost most of my good links. Dammit all. Thanks;-)

[redeye]

1. How about having the best of all worlds...

...buy the fucking oil from Iraq instead of start a war to usurp it?

[antineocon1]

3. Yes, I agree with that too...

But wasn't Saddam attempting to cut us off of oil deals in more ways than one.

the euro

contracts with France, Russia, Germany, and China.

[unblock]

5. that's just dumb

even if saddam wasn't giving our preferred corporations juicy contracts, we still had access to iraqi oil. even if they think he didn't deal directly with americans (which he did), once the oil is on the world market, we can buy more oil cheaper from someone else.

[antineocon1]

6. That's a great way to look at things.

Thanks.

[izzie]

2. I have not heard that in a long time, that is weeks.

Are we getting ready to do the Alaska thing once more? We should make a list on things that drive us up a wall and are things GOP say to us. I hate this one. We would all be speaking German if it was not for us saving the world or what ever country you are speaking of. It, Eng, Fr. and it is mostly Fr. which means they know nothing of history. We fought Ger. as a group and one half of German army was fighting Rus. as this group fought the other HALF of the German army. We alone did not save the world from the Nazi or later from Commies. This was a group of countries lined up with us. Which is also way we are in so much trouble around the world. We would take in that group slime him self if the country would do as we wanted.

[antineocon1]

4. Great idea..

We need to come up with these lines and cut these people off immediately with hard hitting and easily understood facts in a way that won't make us sound unamerican.

[blm]

7. Same computer problem here (lightning)

But try the ANWR debate links...I think you'll find most of your info there. Also post a request in the environment forum. Those folks are ON this and have accessible links more readily at hand..

[amazona]

8. you're both wrong

We have lots of oil remaining in Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, not to mention the Gulf of Mexico. Ask anyone who has an oil lease on their property. You can't force the oil company who owns your mineral rights to drill, and right now they're not drilling. The oil is there, the environmental OKs have been in place for decades...but they won't drill the damn oil at these low prices.

When we fight these wars, we are fighting to keep our oil and gas workers in Louisiana and Texas out of a damn job. The sad thing is that so many people in the south then turn around and volunteer for military service. They're harming their own neighbors -- their own family members in some cases.

I know too many bright people with degrees in geophysics, petroleum engineering, etc. who haven't worked in years.

We are actually no where close to running out of oil reserves. There are other factors in our desire to steal Iraq. Basically, we didn't want to admit that we were surrendering to Osama's demand to get out of Saudi Arabia without having another beach-head in the Middle East. Since Iraq had been effectively disarmed for so many years, they became a convenient target. The cheap oil there is just a bonus for Halliburton and the rest of the thieves.

We don't need cheaper oil. We need reasonably priced oil so we can get back our damn JOBS.

There is some political reason or perhaps a number of political reasons why "they" (both on the right and left) want people who are not in the oil business to believe that we are running short on oil. However, it is simply not true.

I often think it would be quicker to list all the places where oil can't be found than to list the places where it is.

[sandnsea]

10. Control price & production

The first priority of any corporation. Iraqi oil is waaay cheaper to produce. In the short run, too much oil getting into the market would seriously affect the profitability of current production in the Gulf of Mexico and of other traditional U.S. suppliers. U.S. corporate control of that oil ensures production is controlled, thereby controlling price and corporate profitability.

In addition to all the other ME stuff you mentioned.

[BeFree]

9. Guilty as charged

They admit that it was about oil.

That all the other reasons were junk.

Ahhh, behold the truth finally coming from their mouths.