Does George Bush Jr. have a chance in 2004?

[Stephanie]

His numbers are dropping into the basement, his WMD and Iraq=Al Queda lies are being exposed daily, he's catching hell for censoring the 9/11 Report, someone in his admin. has treasonously outed a CIA agent to the press, it's been revealed that Cheney and his oil pals were divvying up the Iraqi oil fields in 2001, he has trashed the economy and put millions out of work, he has cut military benefits while our soldiers are overseas dying for his oil war, Iraq is a quagmire, and the voting machines might just get fixed in time for 2004.

So, does Bush Jr. have a chance?

[bookman]

1. Yes he does..

..the numbers are down, but not terrible. Also read the quote below...

[Stephanie]

2. I should have said, does Bush Jr. have a snowball's chance in hell.

My answer: NO

I have greater faith than you in the street smarts of the American people. They're starting to wake up to the lies.

[madmax]

3. It's amazing how he got close enough

in '00 to steal the election. I don't trust the government and those who count the votes.

[Ouabache]

4. my answer is no way he can win

Unemployment and UNDEREMPLOYMENT will do him in...
among all the other fraud, deceit, lies, and corruption.

Even more than we already know about will surface.
It will show a pattern of malfeasance, misfeasance, and incompetence.

[punpirate]

5. One can't underestimate the power of...

... campaign money and the degree of press time he will get, in addition to the time he can buy. The carrier landing was an expensive extravaganza, paid for by the taxpayers, but it was, nevertheless, as close to an actual kick-off to his campaign as anyone could imagine.

That is the incumbent's power.

That said, I hope you're right about the people waking up. It will still depend on how diligently the press keeps up on the lies, and if the last campaign is any indication, they will do a pitifully poor job of that.

I would like to see election results that would be an absolute repudiation of Bush and his ilk, but I don't expect it. If anything, by hook or by crook, it will probably be even closer than last time.

Cheers.

[TacticalPeek]

6. Only because math or something requires a noninfinite bad time.

I am more convinced almost every hour sometimes that this crowd is doomed.

I prefer ignimonious electoral slaughter, with all the R's clutched to his flaming coattails, rather than impeachment or resignation.
But I'm good with whatever crashes their horror house of cards.

Agreed, since it's a way's away, there is the teensieweensie chance that the D's could totally self-destruct, giant third-party treachery appear, shock and awe terror occur, etc.

But even with all that he could still lose, because the cancer that is reaching Condi now is headed steadily toward Cheney, and this will lead to weeks, months of calamity and terror for them. Imagine how weakened aWol will be with his public. The slow and weakened fare poorly at dinnertime, and the press has fresh meat and more coming.

TPM has a thing that makes me think it could be whizzing even faster than I imagined.

link http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

[Stephanie]

8. You have a way with words

And that's great news about Condoleeza. Let the resignations begin!

[TacticalPeek]

9. thanks...

just follow the yellowcake road,
just follow the yellowcake road,

subpoenas and statements and oaths,
subpoenas and statements and oaths,
subpoenas and statements and oaths,

just follow the yellowcake road.

[Exultant Democracy]

7. I see a landslide.

Either one way or another depending on what all happens between now in then. I don't think this is going to end up being a close race hopefully in our favor, but there is always a chance that someone bombs Disney land, or they "find" (and by find I mean plant) a huge stockpile of nukes in Iraq.

[Stephanie]

10. So if bush fails yet again to protect us from terrorist attack

you think that will lead to a landslide in bush's favor? I have to disagree there.

[Trek234]

22. You have as much chance stopping a terrorists attack

As Israel does stopping suicide bombers.

No way to know where, when, and how a person or group of people will strike. Add to the fact they are willing to die themselves and you have a dangerous mix of factors.

You can't hold Bush responsible for a failure to stop people like that just as you can't hold Israel responsible for failures to stop suicide bombers. The American people mostly see it this way. It is the only logical and fair way of seeing it.

Unless your president is omniscent or omnipresent a terrorist attack will only help them. Especially if they are wannabe fascists...

[geomon]

18. I always thought

it would be osama that they bring out of hiding. This would cinch it!

The drooling fools would shower Bush with flowers! If they pulled Osama out of their hat they would take %65 of the vote.

[Bake]

11. Hell Yes He Has a Chance!

1. He's the incumbent.
2. He's got the money behind him.
3. He's got the corporate interests behind him (OK, that's redundant).

We'd by God better not write him off! Whoever ends up with the Dem nomination absolutely MUST run a flawless campaign, and people, WE have got to work our asses off to make sure that Smirking Bastard doesn't get a second term, if that means driving people to the polls, going door to door, contributing $$$ to our campaign--GETTING OUR MESSAGE OUT!!!

Complacency will kill us.

Bake

[geomon]

20. "He's got the corporate interests behind him"

and the democrats don't???

[imax2268]

12. I don't really think so...

I work on a military base and I can tell you there are a bunch of military famalies who are sick of this...

so that's one group that will not vote for him...unless they are stupid...

Then we have the Vets...enough said...

We have about 3 or so million people who are out of work...there's another group...

My parents go to these get togethers in their retirement community and they say that the retirees are sick of hearing him talk of nothing but "tururism" and "nukalur weapons"...plenty of them are saying that they are not going to vote for him...

It's my opinion that he will not have a chance if he uses the "war" card for his campaign...everything he said in his campaign speeches the first time around he hasn't done...he'd done the exact opposite...

His numbers are slipping daily with every soldier that has been killed over in Iraq...

So do I think he has a chance...NO...unless he buys his way into it...it will be interesting to see what happens to say the least...I'm waiting for the debates...I want to see him explain himself...but he will probably weasel his way out of that to...

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[JackSwift]

13. 200 or 300 million bucks in campaign money

and media control would be impossible to beat if he were doing his job at all rather than raping the treasury. We have a good chance to beat him.

[Stephanie]

26. "...if he were doing his job at all rather than raping the treasury..."

That's the bottom line behind all of his actions - how do we communicate this to the voters?

[JackSwift]

14. double post edit

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[stickdog]

15. Not if we give the people a real choice and use our energy

on the grassroots level with grace and intelligence.

Not a chance in hell.

[rhite5]

16. We can only beat him IF .....

We can only beat him if we get electronic voting under control and get a good start on the road back to hand-counted paper ballots right at the precinct BEFORE any totals are transmitted upstream.

If we can do that we will win easily. The WH is in meltdown. There is a "piling on" happening with more new revelations to be expected as the next week or so go by. Too much for the press to ignore. And its enough to provide some cover for more insiders to leak more stuff.

I agree with others another 911 can't help Bush.

But electronic voting is supposed to take care of his problems, and it will if it is not stopped.

[geomon]

17. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!

and I am voting for him!!!

(be very careful because assumptions make you look like a fool)

[peabody71]

19. Deal is, the establishment may simply choose the Dem.

I believe Bush may be toast, but if the powers that be simply arrange the winning Dem candidate are we really better off?

[geomon]

21. Excellent post!!

It makes me happy to see someone ask this question....it means you are starting to realize...the way things may be..or are.

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[liberalpress]

24. Watch out...

I don't know how to paste a link to a message so I;ll repeat what I said in response to a previous post...

I'm driving in a very dense rethug area, see a soccer mom in a minivan (soccer decal on the window, "My kids an hinor student at...." bumper sticker,, the whole thing. Newly affixed (i.e. not weatherworn) bumper sticker sez: "Bush 2004."

He's wrecked thee economy, the Constitution, and our relations abroad, and they still love him.

Folks, if we don't quit the infighting and unite quickly behind ANY candidiate, Bush is gonna win by a landslide that'll make Reagan II look close.

[west michigan]

25. seen a few stickers.....

....around Grand rapids myself. He can and will be defeated IF ... we the people make it happen.

[NicRic]

27. Not if we wake up & unite !

ASAP, as of now ,the best thing bush has going for him is the divisions within the Dem party ! I know I will get some reponses of the negative type ,but what the hell ! I mean whats the purpose of posting ,if you cant express your true feelings ? I think Al Gore ,the DNC or who ever was giving Gore advice about running or not in 2004 , was way off ! I think about how strongly united our party would be under a Gore re-election bid. I still think he is the most qualified and the one that will win in 2004 ! Others are a long shot at best ! Al Gore has all of the things lacking in the others , plus he will bring real feeling of being involved in something important to the process.GORE 2004 Flame away !!!!!!