Ed Rollins on CNBC: Gore and Dean talking as if they are targeting

[Gloria]

conservatives who don't like what's going on in Iraq. If that's there aim, Dean is going to lose bigtime.

Discuss.

[rumguy]

1. Why did he say they would lose?

It's not like some don't have a myriad of other reasons for ditching
Bush.

[SahaleArm]

2. Dean should take Gore's endorsement but not strategy *nm*

[David Zephyr]

3. Ed Rollins is a Complete and Total Idiot.

Is he still breathing?

[Myra]

10. Complete & total & corrupt idiot. Another pug who blocks black votes

He helped Whitman steal the NJ gov position by supressing the black vote about 10 years ago (see, it's nothing new). Then he oppenly bragged about it at a *press converence."

Whitman was incensed. How dare he disclose that! It should only be discussed with good ol' boys in a dark room at an *exclusive* club!

http://archives.cjr.org/year/94/1/cynicism.asp

"...At a November 9 Sperling breakfast, Rollins, boasting about how he had just helped win a governorship for New Jersey's Christine Todd Whitman, said the campaign had spent about $ 500,000 to suppress the black vote. He said GOP operatives had made payments to Democratic precinct workers in black areas on condition they sit on their hands on election day. And he said the Whitman campaign had contributed to church charities in return for black ministers keeping mum on the virtues of Democratic incumbent James Florio..."

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. I'm sorry, but this is the reason I don't like New Jersey.

I realize it's a Democratic stronghold, but when New Jersyians pick Florida to retire, they bring with them their bad habits and it has made this state just a little more vicious than it was before they came.

[Myra]

13. Ok...has nothing to do with the point of the post, but dislike away.

NJ's too crowded anyway. So spread the bad word to keep the overpopulation from even getting worse.

(New Jersians are undeniably rude though if that's what you're saying.
It's a stereotype, and a true one. But I love 'em anyway.
At least they're up front about it. In your face but not
stabbing you in the back...unless of course they're carjacking
you in Newark.)

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. It goes a lot deeper than just bad manners.

*

[grytpype]

4. With crossover appeal Dean can win in a landslide.

A lot of Repubs are on to Bush.... I think they will be the "Reagan Democrats" of 2004.

[loyalsister]

6. or new meaning to "Rockefeller Republicans"

if Jay is on the ticket?

[ClintonTyree]

7. With Dean's reputation...............

as a fiscal conservative that just might appeal to many who voted for Bush the first time he lost the election.

[Selwynn]

17. Too bad dean has no cross over appeal

[Cleita]

5. Many think of the Iraq war as an immoral war.

I don't think whether it could cause anyone to lose the election should even be considered in the same breath.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

8. Ed Rollins is truly clueless on this one...

...because the true conservatives (not the NeoCons) are losing kids in Iraq, too.

[Selwynn]

18. Yes, but they are not anti-war, and see those who are as unamerican.

[JNelson6563]

9. haha those supply siders hate all Dems

Hell I thought Liesman was gonna cry the day Pete Stark was on there kicking Pug ass. It was a golden moment.

Julie

[Le Taz Hot]

11. It's already been discussed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=512471

[AntiCoup2K4]

14. Guess Ed wasn't watching C-SPAN last night.

There are conservatives who don't like Iraq, or other things the Fraudministration has done, and they won't be voting for Junior. Whether they will vote for our nominee remains to be seen, but the fact that they WON'T vote for Bush is significant. And if another right wing candidate jumps into the race, Junior will lose even more votes.... Anybody got Pat Buchanan's phone number?

[AWD]

15. He's right....

...because NO politician EVER won by trying to attract voters from the opposite side.

I mean, the "Reagan Democrats" were actually a Double-A baseball team in southern Caleeforneea. Right?

They are TERRIFIED of Dean and Clark.

[Selwynn]

16. I agree - dems once again fundamentally underestimate what anti-war ...

will win them.

I am anti the iraq war of course, but quite honestly the best position a Dem candidate could have for winning election is "I supported the war at the time but slowly began to have serious doubts as to this administrations ability to handle it." Why? Becuase that's what the majority of Americans identify with. The majority of americans are not peaceniks - they supported the war whole-heartedly but now have their doubts about the administration's handling of it.

[el_gato]

19. you are wrong

support for the war was an inch deep at best
people know, if even on a visceral level, that the war support was manufactured and justifications phoney

[OneTwentyoNine]

21. Dean should say he supported the Iraq War?

Why should he do that when he never did support it to begin with? We need to be pounding Bush and his thugs over Iraq not trying to worry about being politically correct. Hell,even an idiot like Newt Gingrich has figured out that the invasion was flawed from the begining and that Bush is in a spiral.

Dems like Gephardt and Kerry have come out and tried to cover their ass but it never has rang true with anyone. None of these gung-ho Joe sixpack guys have jumped on their bandwagon because they NOW say they made a mistake when they supported Bush and his trumped up death for PROFIT invasion.

David

[BurtWorm]

20. Why would that be their aim?

That seems so off I don't know where to begin. Rollins seriously thinks Gore stuck his neck out in such a big way to woo a tiny portion of the conservative population? I kind of doubt it, to put it extremely mildly.

[LTR]

22. The true conservatives are starting to get irritated

Remember that true conservatives (or Goldwater Conservatives) are big on efficient government. They hate reckless spending. And they tend to be isolationists, so this Iraq thing rubs them.

The invasion of civil liberties is also very non-conservative. True conservatives are becoming disenchanted.

Take Pat Buchanan. Ever think he'd be dissing Bush?

Or how about the callers on C-Span last night?

There is a small groundswell of conservative backlash against the Bush Administration. The Dems should take advantage of this.

I'm not saying become another 'Party of Goldwater', but stress things like responsible spending and correcting the mistakes in Iraq. The Dems are in favor of this already.