I'm not hateful. I feel out of place.

[poskonig]

I mean, as long as Lieberman is not on the ticket, I feel ideologically and politically comfortable about our chances in 2004. And realistically, this will probably be out of the pool of Clark, Dean, Gephardt, and Kerry. Kerry and Gephardt have been around a while and know how the game works, Dean has a lot of organizational advantages, and Clark has a great bio. Plus Gore is a decent human being, and I respect the Clintons, and still will when they endorse Clark.

Am I alone here?

There are some people who speak like, "well, if my candidate was getting killed in the polls, I'd be mean and bitter too." This says a lot, as if being mean and bitter is the default state when a campaign is underachieving.

I think we can do better than this.

[rbnyc]

1. Look around a little more.

Lots of people feel the way you do.

[Gman]

2. Personally,

I just like to put the Deanie Boppers into a tizzy by saying things like "Dean will be cast upon the same bloody heap of losers as McGovern and Dukakis."

It's fun. Try it sometime.

[Mz Pip]

5. The last 3

Democratic Presidents have been from the South. The also rans have been from the North/North East - McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis.

The South controls the board. Like it or not, it's the fact. With four Southern Dem Senators retiring, it would be nice to have some coat tails here with a Southern candidate. The way things are dusting out here, we may even lose our fillibuster. But what the hell, we'll have our anger, we'll have our purity, we'll have our passion while we lick our wounds. Life is good.

MzPip
:dem:

[bpilgrim]

13. clark seemed angry tonight, not that i blame him...

must be the polls :shrug:

peace

[Gman]

15. A good Democratic Southern strategy would have been Graham/Edwards

it would absolutely gut the South and have coattails here. Too bad it may not be that way. That's why I expect to see Dean on the trash heap that contains McGovern and Dukakis. I was there for both McG and Dukakis with as much fervor and working as hard or harder than any Dean supporter today. I learned my lesson. Unfortunately, the Deanie Boppers won't listen to wisdom.

[GURUving]

19. Won't listen to wisdom?

A message that speaks to the vast numbers of people on ISSUES.

That's wisdom.

The people that refuse to listen to wisdom are sitting comfortably, for now, on the other side spouting their propagandized knowledge.

I choose not to be one of them.

[hey2370]

17. All the Presidents elected in years ending with zero

have been shot in office. Should we be looking for Gore to be shot sometime in the next year?

Yep, all historic trends are absolutely predictive of the future. That's why only a general with no (and I mean NONE) political experience in running for an elective office could possibly win an election against an incumbent President.

[Military Brat]

3. Well said.

I was just thinking, after reading some of these threads (particularly about the Gore endorsement), that a lot of us are beginning to sound like little kids squabbling over who gets the window seat.

Thanks for a bit of fresh air.

:toast:

[Closer]

4. Umm

"those people" who are saying those things have the right to be saying that seeing as how they're facing a wave of anti-Dean and anti-Gore bias on this website.

I have NEVER seen so much hate SPEWED at Al Gore. Never. I think most of you folks have Free Republic beat on that. Why is this happening? Well we KNOW why!!!!!!! OF COURSE!

As for this post, schmoozing to that hate, and saying "shame on you" to those who speak back, it's complete crap and pathetic to say the least.

[bhunt70]

11. the original poster wasnt pointing fingers specifically at one group...

so why do you have to allude to one?

I agree with him/her and whoever said "The candidate who is not my choice is not my enemy" (paraphrase).

[sendero]

6. I agree completely...

.... and have tried to say so many times.

The candidate who is not my favorite is not the "enemy", period. You'd never know that reading way too many threads here.

[Rowdyboy]

7. I like to follow the lead of my candidate, Wes Clark...

I don't trash other candidates(unless attacked first). He's a class act and I try to follow his lead.

[Killarney]

10. I am appalled

that people here would say that they would stay home and not vote if Dean got the nomination. How old are we? 5? Are you going to take your ball and go home if you don't get your way? We need to unite behind whoever the party chooses and get Bush out!!!!

[Scott Lee]

12. I'll say it again - Clark is a class act.

He'd be a wonderful VP.

[sendero]

16. I completely agree...

... Clark is not only smart as hell and cool as a cucumber, he has taken the high road with other dems. Should he get the nom, he would have to take a tougher line with the Reps, but I think he could do it and do it well.

I don't know about this Clark/Clinton stuff - some of it sounds plausible on the one hand and far out on the other. I guess we should be concerned about the back-room machinations, but I'd rather focus on the candidates and issues.

I'm going to be one happy Dem if Clark or Dean get the nomination. And I think one of them will. Preferably, both :)

[Rowdyboy]

20. That would be my personal Dream Team

Clark/Dean would kick ass, Dean/Clark would satisfy my soul. Whats to lose?

[PVnRT]

21. That's what I keep saying

That's what I've said from the beginning. Unfortunately, there is the very loud group of supporters on both sides who just feel the need to do nothing but throw mud at each other.

[YNGW]

8. Reply

I think people need to keep in prespective what has happened the last 2 days and why.

Gore endorsed Dean because he's trying to help wrestle the party away from the Clinton's, and I'm thinking that many of our leaders in Congress are tired of Clinton & Co. screwing the party into the ground. I have every reason to believe Bill & Hillary would love for the Dem party to fall flat on it's face this coming election so they can come along and pick up the pieces and claim to have saved the day and have everyone grovel at their feet, and I think you've got some leaders like Gore who are tired of the Clintons being the "be all to end all" of the party. If Dean gets the nomination, Terry McAuliffe is a goner. We all know that's Clinton's man. As the last presidental candidate, Gore should be the head of the party, but Bill Clinton won't exit stage left and let the party move forward. And these other candidates aren't just going to bend over with the attitude that Hillary is the next annointed and everyone should just stand back and wait for her. Quite frankly, I'm surprised it's taken Gore this long to step up to the plate and take his place as the party leader. I don't think there's any love-loss between the Clinton's and the Gore's. I'm sure Clinton's scandals, etc. is one of the main reasons why Gore feels like the 2000 election was as close as it was, and for him to blame Clinton is certainly resonable.

Now the question is, will Clinton's go down without a fight? Are they willing to fracture the party for their own selfish reasons? I willing to bet they will. They love the limelight.

But I just logged on. This has probably already been hashed and rehashed tonight.

[Scott Lee]

9. test

[sweetheart]

14. I'm prayin' for a party unity administration

Where the candidates come together in a consensus to cooperate right now and pooling their resources like knights of a round table to, as a team restore democracy in this great nation. Clark would indeed make an ideal secdef, and all the candidates together running for the democratic party as a whole and the people of the free world to take back the nation from the racists.

[nomaco-10]

18. I feel exactly the same way.....

This morning I made some awful remarks to a poster and I really regreted it. I deleted myself and apologised. The atmosphere here has been really tense, especially since the endorsement came out. I left the board for the rest of the day to gather my thoughts and decide if posting here was really even worth it. To attack another for their point of view because it differs from your own is just plain wrong, and it was certainly out of character for me. I do, however think it is also wrong to attack the candidates and Al Gore with such vitriol and venom that has gone here since yesterday. I certainly intend to think twice before I click 'post message' in the future, I wish others would too. Nice post, poskonig.

[mzmolly]

22. Piss off man!

;)

I agree 100% I would actually support any of the candidates, although not a passionately as I support my own of course ;)