If Kucinich, Sharpton, Braun, and Lieberman drop out of race..????

[kentuck]

Who do their voters go to? Will it change the frontrunner status of Dean? Will it create a credible challenger to Dean? This could very well happen immediately after the NH primary...

[TLM]

1. I think CMB, DK, and Sharpton's support would go to Dean...

as those folks are the anti-war black and female base of the party that Dean excites.


Lieberman's support splits off between Kerry and Clark... but some would go to Dean.

[Renew Deal]

4. Lieberman is the anti-Dean...

in personality, politics and style. He is the complete opposite. I doubt Dean gets much of anything from there. Lieberman voters are not Dean voters. Also Clark's Jewish roots really help him with the crwd that is interested in that.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

25. What Lieberman voters? nt

[hlthe2b]

32. he's got Freeper support!

But, somehow, I don't see them voting for any other Democrat! LOL

[truthseeker1]

27. "Clark's jewish roots?"

This is the first I've heard.....

[tsipple]

40. Dean's Wife and Children Happen to Be Jewish

Some people think that's relevant, I suppose.

[MuseRider]

8. Don't count on it.

Dean does not excite me in the least. My vote will go elsewhere. Sorry. I can't speak for others but my vote will never go to Dean.

[veganwitch]

10. keep dreamin'

this anti-war female is voting green

[Rainbowreflect]

14. Speaking as an anti-war female,

my vote will not go green. I will vote for Dennis Kucinich in the primary and the dem candidate whoever he/she is againt bush.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

17. great

veganwitch has just said the vegans and anti-war females are voting for Bush again. C'mon! I'm a vegan at heart, even though I eat cow and fowl and a host of other animals. Can't we all just agree that to have a Chimp running the country is at least animal cruelty? Please vote for Dean or Clark or somebody other than the Green (Bush), please vegan - please?

[Iverson]

19. attempt accuracy, please

Greens are not synonymous with Bush.
Greens are less like Bush than the party you prefer. Examine party positions instead of hurling insults, if that isn't too much to ask.

[elfwitch]

29. I think what the point of that was...

A vote for Green in the national election only helps Bush get elected. Greens are not taking votes away from Republicans, they are taking votes away from Dems. Of course a Green would not vote for Bush. But if you vote Green you might as well be adding another tick on his side, because you sure aren't helping the Dems.

[Iverson]

31. I think that that was the attempt.

It is possible to deliver that argument, which I consider misguided, without insult.
I wonder why Greens have to go hat in hand to other discussants here for minimal courtesy.

[elfwitch]

33. no discourtesy intended....

If you want to vote Green, by all means, go ahead. The Green party has many things to offer a thinking feeling person.

But the fact remains that Green votes do not adversely affect Republican candidates. The odds of a Green voting for a Republican if no Green is available, I would imagine, are pretty slim. The fiesta at RNC HQ will be a blow out if a Green jumps in on the POTUS ballot. They know, as do a great many people here, that Greens candidates in a three-way race only help THEM.

[veganwitch]

35. let us start another thread

if we are going to discuss greens/democrats.

but of course this has been discussed as nauseum before.

but i would like to add, before i go, that if dean is really "the one" its not going to matter how i vote or any other green because everyone else is going to rally behind him. however if he plays the gore card and does not truly distinguish himself, that is nobody's fault but his own.

[youngred]

43. Sorry

but Dean has managed to turn my support of him towards dislike of his candidacy.

He doesn't excite this anti-war base leftist

[Renew Deal]

2. Here's my view

Kucinich goes to Dean, Sharpton, Clark in that order.

Sharpton goes to Clark almost exclusively. These two are tight.

Braun go to Sharpton, Kucinich, Clark, Dean. Not sure about the order.

Lieberman go to Clark, Gep, Kerry, Edwards in that order. Jewish vote goes to Clark big. Washington vote split between Clark, Gep. Liberals go to Kerry, DLCers go to Edwards.

I think that Lieberman dropping helps Clark big. If the Kucinich people are too offended by Dean they stay with him. He could Naderize the race on the far left.

[Ficus]

3. I am DK

and if he drops out my support goes to Kerry or Clark. I BET DK will be in it till the end, money or not, because he hasn't had hardly any money this whole time anyways.

Alan Keys stayed in the race all the way up to the convention in 2000, even though he had 1 delagate.

[LuminousX]

6. Alan Keyes was also paying himself a healthy salary to run

So the longer he kept in, the more money he personally made. Kucinich has a real job and may (MAY, not WILL, no SHOULD) drop out this spring (March/April) if he didn't get the groundswell of support he is expecting.

[Renew Deal]

11. I like DK but

I don't think he is going past Feb. 3. There is going to be incredible pressure to get out after Feb. 3 and I think he will drop.

[Ficus]

13. I understand that

my point was, that I think DK is in this race to bring out issues more than anything, and the longer he stays in, the more that goal can be accomplished.

I think he may surprise us here in Iowa. MAYBE a 3rd place. Most likley 4th.

[Renew Deal]

7. I was Alan Keyes one delegate.

OK, maybe not. I have compared DK to AK many times. I think DK does more for us and takes more votes than AK did for them.

[Ficus]

15. I agree

DK has a deeper base and a better sustaining grassroots organization.

Alan Keys did however enter Michael Moore's moshpit here in Des Moines in 2000 when no one else would. I remember Michael Moore endorsed Alan Keys (mostly as a joke) because he was the only one to mosh in his pit.

[Iverson]

5. just a guess

I think that Kucinich's, Sharpton's, and CMB's people would deserve the courtesy of an explanation from the remaining candidates as to why they should throw their support behind X, not just demands for support based on party loyalty.

I must say that I find this scenario too realistic for comfort, with liberals getting no attention, dropping out, and then being taken for granted. I hope that it doesn't develop that way.

[Ficus]

9. my worries as well

I don't wanna hear, "Get in line and vote ABB!"

[MuseRider]

12. Reminds me

of a football game.

[goodhue]

16. DK will be in race until convention

Think Jerry Brown.

[corporatewhore]

18. mine will go to nader

i know i will get flack for this but i cant vote for selling america out through free trade or the death penalty besides i live in texas which is already going to bush

[kentuck]

Nader's not running.....

He's going to throw his support behind Dean.... :) Just kidding but he might?

[Paulie]

20. Kucinich all the way to the end

No one else has EARNED their position with me. I trust Dean and Clark about as far as I can throw them... so they have quite a ways to go.

[Padraig18]

21. What weight will their personal endorsement carry? DK, for example...

I know that all 4 have very loyal followings, so I am curious how far the loyalty extends? If, for example, DK were to say that "I personally urge my supporters to get behind Candidate X", would you do it? What if he urged you to vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is? He is principled, and you guys rightly respect and trust him for that, so shouldn't you trust his endorsement just as much?

Just curious...

Edit: typos

[Paulie]

23. Not in my book

Do you buy sneakers because you trust the athelete selling them? :-)

It's about ISSUES, and where people stand. They are either on the side of good, or not. More of the same keeps George in the White House.

[MuseRider]

24. That is something

I have thought a lot about. I don't know how to answer it yet. I have such respect for him and I assume he will endorse the nominee, I can't imagine he would not but I do not follow endorsements. That being said, I believe I will have to follow my own heart on this one, at least that is where I am right now.

[Padraig18]

26. Fair enough!

:hi:

[Ficus]

28. I would strongly consider it

Very strongly, but not FOR SURE.

[Padraig18]

30. Again, fair enough!

:hi:

[goodhue]

34. a lot of weight

If and when DK were to bow out and throw his support to another candidate, it would carry a lot of weight with his supporters I think. But again there is little chance of DK doing this prior to the convention.

[corporatewhore]

36. if he endorsed some one

like sharpton

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Lieberman's supporters

will go to Clark...mostly. I think his Jewish Father will have a play in that with the Lieberman Jewish voters. Braun....will go to Gephardt or Clark. Same with Sharpton...Gephardt or Clark and Kucinich...since Clark and Kucinich are very close on issues...Clark. A few may go to Dean, but I highly doubt it after the Gore endorsement.

[elfwitch]

37. from a Jew

Don't assume that Jews will only vote for Jews. Lieberman masn't made a whole lot of friends outside the Orthodox Jewish community. The Refrom Jews are not really happy with him.

And, so what if Clark has a Jewish father? Dean has a Jewish wife and kids....

In spite of common beliefs, Judaism is not a fraternal oraganization where it's members blindly support other people in "the club".

[hedgetrimmer]

38. your question is pertinent, but if one were to look at his/her Dem history

and it's foundations you would find Kucinich most on line with dem ideals, support and impact...

at this junction i feel that truely the "deanies" , "clarksies" and "kerrysaurus" blocks find the passion of the true democrat party where the country is ruled by the people and 'draft' these candidates to throw their support behind KUCINICH...in name and deed, the only democrat candidate ...

and if this is the wishes of the candidates supporters and the candidates do not do so, the answer to how they will operate if elected is: not in favor of the people...

[catherineD]

39. Research All Candidates -- clark04.com

If all of us haven't looked into every other candidate and simply relied on our gut feelings, than we're not much better than those who voted for Bush. We've all been here long enough to know that you can't trust the media to tell you the truth about them. Go to their web sites. Clark's is clark04.com -- he's got a new turnaround plan which gives a state-by-state breakdown of how many lives will be saved by his tightening of clean air requirements, how much the standard of living will go up for families, how many more will be insured, etc. I think that as a military man, he is used to setting goals and attaining them. Please consider Clark.

[GreenArrow]

41. Mixed bag

DK's votes will go to Kerry, Edwards and Clark, or Green/other third party. Dean'll pick up some of Dennis', but most of the Kucinich voters I know personally consider Dean a fraud.

Lieberman's vote will go to senate colleagues Kerry and Edwards.

Sharpton's will go to Clark and Dean, primarily.

Mosely Brauns will probably go to Dean and Edwards.

[youngred]

42. THis Kucinich supporter

wwould go Kerry