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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:12 AM
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Al Gore Reads DU (and other like minded sites)
He HAS TO!

how else would he decide to go against the wishes of the DLC and support Dean? the DLC HATES DEAN!

yet, Gore comes out and endorses him. early. Terry McCuliff must STILL be bleeding from the slap Gore just gave him. Terry is DONE.

note: i in no way intend to start a pro-Dean, anti-yourcandidate flamewar here. i simply want to discuss Gore, the DLC and the SLAP AL just gave them collectively.

DLC=OUT OF TOUCH
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:14 AM
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1. optimism is good
But ,considering that Clinton made NO appearance during Gore's run for the presidency, considering that Gore was very probably ousted from the race by the DLC I believe that McAuliffe's job is safe for now.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:17 AM
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2. Dean is the new leader of the party now
Watch for boot prints on McAuliffe's hide as he is sent out the door. There was bad feelings after 2000.
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:53 AM
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28. Gore told Clinton
to lay low, he thought Clinton would hurt him. He finally realized his mistake near the end, but it was too late.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:55 AM
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29. That was the conventional wisdom at the time
which also indicates why he choose Lieberman, one of Clinton's vocal Democratic critics.

I think Gore learned a lot.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:19 AM
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3. Nice theory, matcom
but I can't imagine the President or any other candidate spending much time around GD without becoming schizophrenic or just plain disgustipated from all the flaming and nitpicking that can occur in, say, five minutes!

DLC = Repug Moles.

Cheers,
:smoke:
dbt
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:32 AM
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5. love that word "disgustipated" ! n/t
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:42 AM
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8. disgustipated
It's the name of a Tool song.

Great band.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:31 AM
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4. Dear Mr. Gore
my wife and i have voted for you for president everytime since you first ran in a primary. we wrote in your name during both clinton runs. we wanted you to be our president.

that said, i cannot fathom what has brought you to this premature endorsement. you, of all people whould have a keen apprechiation for the value of the vote. i would hope you have gained an appreciation
for the value of an full primary fight as a shakedown cruise for the general.

given that, i cannot understand this move to endorse before even one vote is cast. i fear you have abused your place in our hearts in a move of revenge against the DLC and the clintons.

also, as little credance as i give Mr Lieberman, even i would have granted him the courtesy of a phone call regarding your plans, especially considering the loyalty he showed you in delaying his announcement until you stated your intentions.

sir, you will never have my support again.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:35 AM
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7. Gore has my respect and my vote for Dean
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:49 AM
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16. Thank you
and Dennis has all of my respect. I'll help him however I can.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:39 AM
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23. LOL
That is hilarious!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:51 AM
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27. This will help you understand
Dean Daily Dose
December 9, 2003


Al Gore Endorses Dean for President



NEW YORK--During a breakfast here today, former Vice President Al Gore endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Governor Howard Dean, M.D., citing his vision for the country and the Democratic party, as well as his grassroots-based quest to take back the White House.

Speaking at the National Black Theater's Institute for Action Arts in Harlem this morning, Gore praised Governor Dean's grassroots-based campaign and the broad coalition that Dean is building to help Democrats retake the White House in 2004. Following is an edited transcript of Gore's remarks and Governor Dean's remarks:

"...Howard Dean really is the only candidate who has been able to inspire at the grassroots level all over this country the kind of passion and enthusiasm for democracy and change and transformation of America that we need in this country. We need to remake the Democratic Party; we need to remake America; we need to take it back on behalf of the people of this country. So I'm very proud and honored to endorse Howard Dean to be the next president of the United States of America," Gore began.

"Democracy is a team sport. And I want to do everything I can to convince the -- anybody that is interested in my judgment about who, among these candidates has the best chance to win and the best chance to lead our country in the right direction. I want to do everything I can to convince you to get behind Howard Dean and let's make this a successful campaign as a group. It is about all of us and all of us need to get behind the strongest candidate. Now I respect the prerogative of the voters and the caucuses and the primaries. I'm just one person, but I'm offering my judgment and I'm also going to say one other thing here," Gore continued.

"Years ago, former president Ronald Reagan said in the Republican Party that there ought to be an 11th commandment, speak no ill of another Republican. We're Democrats and we may not find that kind of commandment as accessible, but to the extent that we can recognize the stakes in America today, I would urge all of the other candidates and campaigns to keep their eyes on the prize. Here we are in Harlem. We need to keep our eyes on the prize. This nation cannot afford to have four more years of a Bush-Cheney administration. We can't afford to be divided among ourselves to the point that we lose sight of how important it is for America. What is going on in this Bush White House today is bad for our country. And it's slowly beginning to sink into more and more people out there. And we don't have the luxury of fighting among ourselves to the point where we seriously damage our ability to win on behalf of the American people this time around," Gore said.

"Now, one other thing, I've spent a long time thinking about national security and national defense. And I've heard a lot of folks who, in my opinion, made a judgment about the Iraq war that was just plain wrong, saying that Howard Dean's decision to oppose the Iraq war calls his judgment on foreign policy into question. Excuse me. He was the only major candidate who made the correct judgment about the Iraq war. And he had the insight and the courage to say and do the right thing. And that's important," Gore said.

"Because those judgments, that basic common sense is what you want in a president. Our country has been weakened in our ability to fight the war against terror because of the catastrophic mistake that the Bush administration made in taking us into war in Iraq. It was Osama bin Laden that attacked us, not Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein is a bad guy and he's better off not in power, we're all better off, but it was a mistake to get us into a quagmire over there, so don't tell me that because Howard Dean was the only major candidate who was right about that war, that that somehow calls his judgment into question on foreign policy, so whether it is inspiring enthusiasm at the grassroots and promising to remake the Democratic Party as a force for justice and progress and good in America, whether it is a domestic agenda that gets our nation back on track or whether it is protecting us against terrorists and strengthening our nation in the world, I have come to the conclusion that in a field of great candidates, one candidate clearly now stands out, and so I'm asking all of you to join in this grassroots movement to elect Howard Dean President of the United States," Gore said.

Governor Dean thanked Gore for his endorsement:

"Mr. Vice President, I want to thank you for your generous and thoughtful words.... I thank Al Gore for his extraordinary leadership in this party in the last couple of years. I told him, I say what I think, for better or worse, I told him the two best speeches in this campaign were given by somebody who is not running for president and that was his March and September speech about the war and about foreign policy.

"We have needed a strong, steady hand in this party, and I appreciate Al's willingness to stand up and be one. This campaign is not about Howard Dean going to the White House. This campaign is about us going to the White House, all of us, and I look forward to the day on January 20th, 2005, when we do what Andrew Jackson, another great Tennessean did, we will open the doors to the White House and let the American people back in," Governor Dean concluded.

Gore, a former U.S. senator from Tennessee and two-term vice president under President Clinton, was the Democratic nominee for president and won the popular vote in 2000.

Following this morning's breakfast, the two men will travel to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, for a rally before Dean heads to Durham, New Hampshire, for tonight's candidates' debate.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:59 AM
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31. Gore never forced Lieberman to make his silly vow
That was Lieberman's doing.

And considering that it was Lieberman who stabbed Gore in the back at the DLC convention in July last year when Lieberman said that it was Gore's populism that cost them the 2000 election despite the facts that the polls showed that it was the reason Gore won the popular vote, I have NO PITY for Lieberman. Gore owes NOTHING to Lieberman, it is Lieberman who owes Gore big time for taking my whiny pro-corporate senator from obscurity and giving him a chance of a lifetime.

Lieberman currently suffers delusions of grandeur. If he wasn't, he'd realize what a jerk he is making of himself.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:33 AM
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6. The DLC has been out of touch
from the beginning - note my sig line - and while I was never a huge Gore supporter, his endorsement of Dean should help a lot with undecided Democrats.

This is a revolution folks, so if you can hop onboard with us Deaniacs and help us work at taking back Congress, as well as the WH.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 08:17 AM
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9. NPR had a good piece on it this morning.
They were talking specifically about why Gore endorsed Dean and not Liberman, who was his running mate in 2000. They talked abut how Dean and Gore have more n common, like running a populist campagin, which Liberman spoke out against, the anti-war stance...a few other things which I did not commit to memory at 70 MPH.

If anyone hears it again please post the rest of it here.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 08:26 AM
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10. Gores endorcement of Dean is a major blow to the Lieberman campaign.
I suspect Leiberman was counting on Gores endorsement to give him a much-needed boost before the primaries. The Leiberman campaign in finished.
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Hypoxis Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:15 AM
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11. Gore has basically repudiated Clinton
This is so apparent.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:56 AM
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17. Hillary this Sunday may have pushed Gore over the edge
Hillary's presentation this Sunday on the talk shows was commanding but her message was solidly hawkish. On Russert she and Newt were basically on the same page. It was interesting that in Gore's endorsement he emphasized "changing the Democratic Party" as much as changing the country and defeating Bush.
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:37 AM
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22. As we know,
* has managed to break what was left of the democrat party and it's been apparent that they've sold the people out.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:40 AM
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24. I like Hillary..
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 10:41 AM by deseo
... as a tool for sending freepers into apoplectic fits, but when it comes to policy she applies negative pressure. I would not happily vote for her.

Edited to avoid inflaming any more people than necessary. :)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:22 AM
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19. Is it possible to "repudiate" Clinton without repudiating his policies?
Democrats cannot afford not to run on the great economic record of the Clinton years.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:41 AM
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25. Al wants Bush gone and took the steps to see it happen. EVERYONE
wants a powerful good party and that's where we're headed.

Dean '04...
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:27 AM
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12. Hi Al!
Loved you when I saw you in Toledo during the '92 campaign and was on the podium with you. Likewise when you came to Macomb County, MI during the 2000 presidential campaign. You are my president and I respect you. Don't be such a stranger!
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:30 AM
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13. I heard it too
I think most of us were still furious by the 2002 elections in which the DLC told us to just "shut up and vote." We weren't supposed to notice that too many of our Democratic Senators/Congresspersons were voting with the Republicans more than 50% of the time -- it was supposed to bring the swing voters over to our side. It didn't. It didn't in 2000 and it didn't in 2002.

The Dean campaign was one of the earliest campaigns to tap into that anger. I think something happened to a LOT of us after that 2002 election. Speaking strictly for myself, I knew I was watching a train wreck but I "went along." No more. "Getting along" has gotten us into a war of aggression and thousands have been killed as a result. And the killing isn't over. "Getting along" has virtually eliminated the 4th Amendment of the United States Constitution. "Getting along" has been the biggest boon for the MIC since the Viet Nam war. I could go on but DUers know the rest.

I think President Gore made an error in judgment in allowing the DLC to run his campaign. Nader, Florida, the USSC aside, Gore's pathetic DLC-run campaign is why Gore is not in the White House today. I think President Gore has had 3 years to think about this and I think he has decided the DLC has got to go -- and he's correct. They do. They had their chance after Clinton and they blew it. This endorsement is President Gore's way of telling them that they're finished -- as they should be.
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Kira Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:04 AM
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18. Plus when he won in 2000
who among the other candidates came out and demanded that an injustice occured and that we all needed to stand up and make our voices heard? None. Only the black caucus did. Gore owes them nothing. And the only reason Lieberman "waited" was because he knew that he couldn't win against Gore so there was no point in running if he ran. He wasn't trying to be polite. That's bs.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:30 AM
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21. dispite waiting for Al to decide, I am sure Joe was part of the DLC plan
to keep Gore from running.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:32 AM
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14. Terry wants this.
Don't kid yuorself. Terry M. wants the race over ASAP. This move is right in line with Terry.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 09:33 AM
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15. Terry McAuliffe going down
I have always thought he is the worst leader for the party. We need someone with a little more street cred
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:25 AM
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20. I haven't paid attention to Terry other than hearing or reading the news
on him...but...the Democratic party has a data base complied...just like the rethugs...and we are debt free...is he responsible for that? I think so...maybe his talents were right where they needed to be at that time...he raised money and got us a nation wide data base to contact.

We just need to get our base out to vote and remove that slug from the white house.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:43 AM
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26. I think Gore prefers populism
and I think he wants to be relevant as a power broker or the anti establishment candidate in 2008 (against Hillary most likely).
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 10:58 AM
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30. The DLC doesn't hate Dean. They helped him cast himself as a liberal,
and then invited him to speak at the conference weeks later.

Gore is total DLC.

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