Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Gore Endorsement - Your Take

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-03 11:47 PM
Original message
Poll question: The Gore Endorsement - Your Take
Edited on Mon Dec-08-03 11:48 PM by rucky
I know there's some strong opinions out there & there's no need to repeat 'em here. Just trying to get some perspective on how many people feel whichever way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
saoirse Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:06 AM
Response to Original message
1. It just proves Clinton's assessment of Gore was correct
Which was that his political instincts are terrible!

And yes, I not only voted for Gore, I think he would have
been an excellent president. But the 2000 election may well
be the ultimate proof of Clinton's diagnosis.

As a Clark supporter, I feel that the real campaign is only
just getting started. Dean used to be the "outsider," now
he's the anointed choice of the insiders. Clark is rapidly
becoming the consensus choice of Democrats who don't want
Dean to be the nominee - which is another way of saying
those of us who want to WIN in 2004.

I started out supporting Dean, but if you have even the
slightest amount of objectivity you have to admit that he's
sounding more and more like a typical politician every day.

The insiders and pundits are jumping on the Dean bandwagon
like crazy. If you trust their judgement, go ahead and hop
on too. After all - look where it's gotten us.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. I agree with you, but you're wrong
Your analysis is right. Gore is clunky where Clinton is smooth. Obviously Clinton won't endorse anyone until the nomination is sealed. But it's unfair to say us Clark supporters are those of us who want to WIN in 2004.

Dean has a clear strategy (however naive of Flyover Country it may be) and his eyes on the prize. I think he's entirely the wrong messenger for this year, but he's not a "go down in flames but never compromise" type. He's tapping that anger, but he's not of that stripe himself.

He will lose and the collaterals in Syria and North Korea--and probably South Korea, too--will pay the price. But please don't say he isn't interested in winning. That's just not fair.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 12:14 AM
Response to Original message
2. This Point- Makes No difference
but if Gore says anything to the effect that he announced his support now to shorten the primary then the gloves are off.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 02:53 AM
Response to Original message
4. Okay, so lemme get this straight. Out of 100 people, only ONE person...
thinks that maybe they were wrong about Dean if a man of Gore's stature would stand up and endorse him. Only ONE? That's how much Gore's word counts?

If you lost as much respect for Gore as the one-third who says they have, then maybe you didn't respect him so much to begin with...

So we all want a united democratic party, right? Just as long as everybody is "united" behind our own personal views, and damn anyone who doesn't fit that bill. Sounds like the Bush definition of "united" to me.

God forbid our last nominee and our current front-runner be the ones to lead our party.

Dean's not going to lose it for us - like some folks are predicting. We're doing that just fine on our own. But if it makes you feel better to name a scapegoat, or hedge your bets as we move forward... I just hope the "I told you so" is worth it.

I was undecided until today, but Gore's nod solidified my support for Dean. I know what side I'm on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:18 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. welcome to the dean campaign!
:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. You answered your own question.
"If you lost as much respect for Gore as the one-third who says they have, then maybe you didn't respect him so much to begin with..."

Gore is a corporate centrist. Not everyone is a big fan of that. Just because he has a (D) next to his name we are supposed to feed him grapes and give him backrubs?

TWL

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:40 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. bull
Gore is not a corporate centrist. Though I understand that is the lie Nader ran on in 2000. If you actually paid attention to what Gore said rather than what you are told by other's you wouldn't perpetuate that lie.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Hmmmm....

Kerry was the frontrunner eight months ago. Clark was the frontrunner two and a half months ago.

As for nominees, I don't remember the same imputation of leadership being given Bill Clinton, Michael Dukakis, Jimmy Carter, or Fritz Mondale. And I don't think you quite remember how many Democrats agonized and all the sophistry expended that fall on Lesser Of Two Evils arguments about whether to vote Gore, vote Nader, or not vote at all.

But when it's Gore bestowing some bit of his tainted nimbus on Dean, suddenly the Divine Sanction of Tradition descends upon it all.

Let me point out that Bill Clinton has one foot in the Kerry and the other in the Clark camp. How's that finger of yours in the wind doing?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #7
13. and I'll take Clinton's endorsement over Gore's any day
Kerry/Clark sounds like a winner to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scotia Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 03:34 AM
Response to Original message
8. This gives me a great respect for Al Gore, clearly Dean can beat Bush!
As a Howard Dean Supporter this is one event that has made my day, month and year...(so far!) Better yet would be to have Dean knock Bush out of the white house. Better yet to have Wes Clark join Dean as VICE PRESIDENT.

But I have one main worry. Its concerning voter fraud and electronic voting. The democrats need to get cracking on making sure there is a paper trail to these devices or no one wins. They need to make sure companys like DIEBOLT don't hand the Presidencey to George W. Bush, like the Supreme Court did in 2002.

Howard Dean said he would look into this problem. He is aware of it...and if we are to have a free and clear election, this has to be a major, major issue.

Deanies can celebrate today...but We need those damn electronic voting devices checked ...their programing checked, and a paper trail is necessary for a fair win in 2004.
<img src=""
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:27 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. Dennis Kucinich HAS been "cracking" on Diebold.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:43 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. but hes unelectable so lets just ignore him
:( Sorry everyone, but sigh I cringe with sorrow whenever I hear about DK doing something newsworthly like his work on Diebold, him speaking out against how we went about in Afghanstan, or his work to save a local hospital. You wont hear about that in the news :(. Sigh I'll shut up if I offended anyone, its just I think the media is up to somethin.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 04:44 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. No he has not...
Edited on Tue Dec-09-03 04:57 AM by ThirdWheelLegend
The media would have covered it if he had.

:hi:


TWL

ON EDIT: Sorry for the sarcasm again...
I am just so beyond the point of frustration with the complete lack of knowledge of people concerning Kucinich's campaign, his positions and HIS ACTIONS. He is by far the best leader in the race and is the most progressive. He takes action and he inspires. He speaks and takes actions for us all. Apparently if you don't have magazine covers and alot of money then you are not worthy of attention.

TWL




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC