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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:19 PM
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Poll question: Is Clark a Liberal?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 10:21 PM by Mattforclark
Liberal internationalist means that he is a liberal but thinks more in international or 'world-wide' terms than many liberals. That's my best description, anyway :)
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:34 PM
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1. liberal internationalism does not = politically liberal.
It's a term unto itself and can and does, traditionally, include both Dems and moderate Repubs. It's a fine guiding principle for international relations, but has nothing to do with liberal politics. Here's a quickie description: http://www.qthelights.com/writing/libvsreal.html

Liberal Internationalism on the other hand dismisses power as being the most important facet of international relations. The ideas of primary importance to Liberal Internationalists are those of ‘freedom, justice and peace’, a far cry from the power struggling world of the Realists. To attain these goals it is necessary to do so through international cooperation and economic affairs, or trade. Their belief being that such trade and international ties is conducive to peace and preventative to war which would harm trade and international interests. As Zacher and Matthew point out, different Liberal Internationalist will argue upon how and how much cooperation is needed, but that some of the ways it could be achieved is through international laws or the inter-linking of international organisations.




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kerryistheanswer Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 10:38 PM
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2. what a silly poll
clark is not a liberal or progressive. neither of your options illustrates this -

he is a centrist - votes republicans some years and democrats others. i find it hard to believe that liberals would vote for reagan.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:12 PM
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3. Not quite
Clark is very liberal on social programs. You must never have listened to him speak and you must never have read a word he has written.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:15 PM
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4. Clark Is The Furtherst Left On The Political Compass
excepting the one and only Dennis K.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:18 PM
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7. Prior to him entering the primary
how was he a liberal?
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:22 AM
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12. Because
he had written an amicus brief to the Supreme Court defending affirmative action. He was also on the record supporting liberal positions on lots of other issues like abortion, education, and seperation of church and state.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:31 AM
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17. Record?
What record? Is it a public record? How old is the record?

Is THAT what you think makes someone a liberal?

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:17 PM
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6. Reagan democrats
49-1

Still having trouble believing?
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:17 PM
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5. Other
He has no political experience or record so he is not anything.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:52 PM
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8. He's a REGISTERED
DEMOCRAT and voted for Clinton and then Gore in 2000.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 11:57 PM
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9. Yep, he registered democrat
on October 17, 2003!
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:18 AM
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11. There's no check box
for choosing a party on voter registration forms in Arkansas. It seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:28 AM
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16. Yeah, but
there is a check box on the FEC form to register for the primary, and he checked it UNK.

When he entered the race, he was not a registered democrat.
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:25 AM
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14. Psst! No one but the anal retentive care.
I know it eats a lot of folks up, but he's a Democrate now, and depending on which poll you read, doing pretty damn well for a Dem of such new standing. Switching from Independant to Dem in a state that requires no affiliation at all worked out well for him.


retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”

So I read this book
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:15 AM
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10. By your logic
I am not anything because I don't have any political experience or record. Unless you have been a mayor or something, you are not a liberal or anything either.

BTW, Clark does have a record on issues like education, childcare, and housing. When he was SACEUR and base commander, he was responsible for all of these things for the soldiers under his command and their families. He is also on record stressing the importance of these things in testimony to the house.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:23 AM
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13. I don't know what a MIC PNACNIC is
But it sure is fun to say.

Mick Penack Nick

0000Mick Penack Nick

0000 - - - - 0 0 Mick Penack Nick !

hee hee
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-03 12:26 AM
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15. It means
Military Industrial Complex - Project For the New American Century (nic)

Lol @ "Mick Penack Nick"
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