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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:41 PM
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Why are the Righties so afraid of Howard Dean?
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 06:42 PM by Must_B_Free
they always seem to be trying to convince us not to run Dean because we'll lose.

Well, why should they be concerned with the Dems losing, if defeating the Dems is their goal.

I think they know Dean would easily defeat the worst president in American History and they won't be able to hide.

I say let them get out of office, THEN investigate their crimes, when they can no longer pardon themselves for the crimes they have committed.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:43 PM
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1. They're not
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:44 PM
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2. I agree, but
they're definitely up to something.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:46 PM
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4. I think they just want to smear
the whole party in anyway they can fashion.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:47 PM
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5. I was just on Yahoo message board and that was what
the astro turf propagandists were spreading.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:47 PM
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6. I was just on Yahoo message board and that was what
the astro turf propagandists were spreading.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:22 PM
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16. Your admiration of Dean aside
they plan to do something with all that money they have raised to hit Dean, Kerry, Clark and Gephart. They hit Dean initially with the Birkenstock liberal thing. They hit Kerry with the sinking claim. They hit Clark with the republican and character thing. They made some tariff moves to counter Gephart. They leave nothing to chance. As far as rank and file republicans that I know, they are confident and don't see Dean as a threat. Both parties fear Dean to some extent because of the grass roots he has developed. But they see him sort of in the same light as Perot. Their goal is to make our candidates appear shrill and incoherent.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:45 PM
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3. They can smell the fear in each other of the ass kicking to come
.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:59 PM
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13. Dean has a fire that
is spreading, contagious, infecting masses of people and that is scary to them because they know they have to stop it but must do so in the right way because it is a grass roots fire and could seriouly backfire if mishandled. Believe me they are looking at all means. They hoped the other candidates would put out the fire for them so they wpouldn't have to get their little old hands dirty but the more they tried the bigger the fire got and continues to spread.

I like Dean and after hearing him today I like him even more, If Clark could get some of Dean's passion I think he could overtake him though, but for now Dean is the bomb.

" If the speech doesn't not have any fire in it then throw the speech in the fire"
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:26 PM
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17. Passion
I think Clark wasn't at his best today, although he is never actually bad. But he's given extremely passionate speeches and, yes, with genuine fire. There is a huge difference in style, obviously, between Dean and Clark. And there is a huge difference in what their bases find appealing. Each candidate has a solid base that cannot appreciate the opposing candidate no matter what; yet they are both capable of crossover appeal, and a lot of people just like both of them.

The eventual nominee will not lose votes over it, but in the primary fight those who admire a man like Clark and those who admire a man like Dean are generally poles apart. For a million different reasons, all of which we've heard here on DU. I see the main difference as personal aesthetics, actually, even more than politics, but I don't see lasting damage. Come the general election, we'll all be on the same side -- ABB, even if some us have to hold our noses.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:52 PM
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7. Simple....
Howard Dean is their worst nightmare because he deals in the truth and he's not afraid to stand up to them. He's not politics as usual or a member of the DC good ole boys club. He's not tied to special interest groups or the influence of lobbyists. It's also quite possible that he has no bones rattling around in his political closet they can use against him to smear him into the ground, this must be scaring the hell out of Rove.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:55 PM
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11. Rove doesn't need truth
he is deeply experienced in making shit up.
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Phelan Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:53 PM
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8. Not the repugs I know
two friends of mine that receive their pay checks from the repugs are big Dean campaigners around these parts and plan on traveling to more important states and help work on the campaign...
take that for what its worth.
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Cat M. Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:54 PM
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9. Hahaha.
The righties are "afraid" of Dean?

Actually, they initially started out being very open in their support of Dean. Tucker Carlson wore a pin supporting Dean. Safire posted an editorial saying he hoped Dean got the nomination so Bush could win. Safire said the same thing in CNBC. And Rove encouraged people to cheer Dean on at a parade.

But then Clark entered the race. After firing all their guns at Clark and failing to knock him out (and holding back their fire on Dean), they realized that democratic voters are not as stupid as Rove thought and that they could see the republicans wanted Dean to get the nomination and not Clark.

So they switched gears. Now they are going after Dean--but just a very little, and in places they know it won't make one bit of difference, like Vermont, which Dean will win no matter how many times Gillespie visits. The goal is to try to persuade democrats who are worried that the republicans think Dean can't beat Bush that they are actually "afraid" of Dean.

Karl Rove machinations are so transparent. I hope I've helped you see through this one.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:55 PM
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10. They fear any popular Dem
and Dean is certainly popular with the people. That's a threat to them.

I still think Hillary is their biggest and deepest nightmare; I hope she runs in 2012. A million freeper heads would explode if they ever had to witness "President Hillary Clinton", and Bill back in the WH as First Spouse. Just the thought of it makes me all warm and fuzzy, even if Hillary isn't my favorite Democrat.

Dean however is doing some very smart campaigning in going after the young people, who can support our party for years to come. The GOP is making a huge push for the youth vote, and they will probably do (surprisingly, annoyingly) well. We need to counter that effort.

Far as I've seen, Dean and Clark seem to be the only candidates who are bringing in new young voters in any significant numbers. Maybe Edwards, and Kucinich, to a somewhat lesser extent.

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SPURGEMAN23 Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 06:56 PM
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12. At some point in this campaign
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 06:58 PM by SPURGEMAN23
Everyone here will stop being concerned with what they think. We do not need their votes to win.

There are enough folks against them for us to win and it will not matter what kind or how many commercials they buy or how many phone calls they make. They have a smaller pool of voters to work with.

As soon as that happens, we will be unstoppable. Be excited folks, this will be unlike any election.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:01 PM
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14. And if Jesus Christ were our frontrunner...
you know the rest of the story.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:05 PM
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15. Because he's the only one who can poke holes
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 07:06 PM by ozone_man
at the huge elephant in the room that the Republicans don't want to talk about. The whopping, record breaking deficits that Bush has created. If there was something to show for them, then it wouldn't be so big, but Bush has lost over 3M jobs and climbing. He has spent his wad.

If Bush tries to say that Iraq war was expensive, Dean will clobber him with the fact that there was no threat, no WMDs, Bush lied.

Dean will make mince meat out him.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:33 PM
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18. The privileged always fear most a popular demagogue
One of the reasons that reactionaries always try to come off so belligerent and muscular is that they know the real threat of mass uprising in not from their side: urban riots, race wars, union mobs, radical demonstrations, all strike fear in well-heeled hearts of Republicans everywhere. It's the rightwing's pre-emptive self-defense.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:40 PM
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19. They aren't.
They're afraid of Clark. That is why you see RW talking heads defending Dean all the time. They say he's going to win over and over and over so the sheeple will "fall in line" for Dean. Heck, Capital Gang was just on and all they talked about was Dean, Dean, Dean and GEPHARDT??? Not one mention of the guy who's running 2nd in the polls to Dean, CLARK. They want Dean to win because he can't beat Bush. Clark CAN and they KNOW it. They fear Clark...big time.
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