Florida Democratic Party Meeting .....thread 4

[Khephra]

Dean starting now!

[ErasureAcer]

1. when did/does Kucinich speak?

thanks!

[Khephra]

2. I'm not sure...sorry

[LiberalTexan]

8. Yeah, I was wondering

if there was a schedule somewhere..... Anyone checking in from Florida? What does your program say?? THANKS!

[creativelcro]

10. middle class is screwed, pretty obvious

[creativelcro]

3. Whooo HOOO!

Jobs!!!

[LiberalTexan]

4. ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Dean just called it "the credit card presidency".....LOL

[WhosNext]

5. Dean just basically announced that Graham is his running mate.

[creativelcro]

7. YUP< I agree... That is good news... Graham has intel background

[glitch]

11. He really did, didn't he

That's the impression I got too.

Every single one of these guys would make an excellent President, and I don't just mean that in contrast to *.

Impressive line up, I must say.

[Sean Reynolds]

14. What did he say?

I missed it!

[Kathleen04]

26. "Bob Graham, you have served your country well..

and we hope you'll be serving again."

[Khephra]

6. Dean coming out on fire already

He's ready to go. No warming up for him today!

[laura888]

12. he's on fire!

go to it!

[LiberalTexan]

13. "We can do better than that"

He hammers that home in every speech. I hope it starts to stick in people's minds....the fence sitters, I mean.

Dean is telling how good it is in Vermont. Poor Floridians still stuck with JEB and his losing policies. I am sure it pains them to hear how wonderful it is somewhere else. :(

[laura888]

17. Dean can convince the fence-sitters!

amen!

[mandyky]

9. Dean hopes Graham will serve again

I think that is a hint that Graham is on the very short VP list.

[LiberalTexan]

15. I was wondering about that too.....

That was a little half wink if I ever saw one. I wonder who will be the first to grill him on that? Larry King? Paula Zahn? Who's interviewing Dean tomorrow am? They'll be all over that juicy bit....

[annxburns]

16. Graham would be an excellent choice ...

... IMHO, he would provide both foreign policy experience and a better shot at winning FL. I really cannot think of a better VP choice for Dean.

[FrenchieCat]

19. Is Dean telling the truth?

On January 31, Dean told Ron Brownstein of the Los Angeles Times that "if Bush presents what he considered to be persuasive evidence that Iraq still had weapons of mass destruction, he would support military action, even without U.N. authorization.

And then on Feb. 20, Dean told Salon.com that "if the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice.

Then a day later, he told the Associated Press that he would not support sending U.S. troops to Iraq unless the United Nations specifically approves the move and backs it with action of its own. "They have to send troops," he said.

Four days later on PBS's News Hour with Jim Lehrer, Dean said United Nations authorization was a prerequisite for war. "We need to respect the legal rights that are involved here," Dean said. "Unless they are an imminent threat, we do not have a legal right, in my view, to attack them."

Then on June 22 2003: Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, another Democratic contender, followed Mr. Kerry's lead yesterday with a similar accusation on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"We were misled," Mr. Dean said. "The question is, did the president do that on purpose or was he misled by his own intelligence people?"

[LiberalTexan]

22. Why don't you start your own thread on this?

This is obviously not a place where you are going to get answers. We are watching C-Span, if you haven't noticed.

P.S. We were respectful during YOUR candidate's speech.

[FrenchieCat]

27. Because I am

Commenting on what Dean is saying as he is saying it....nothing better than that.

[annxburns]

25. Okay, I would like to enjoy the Govenor ...

... without the flamebait please?

[drfemoe]

21. amen

it was sad when he dropped out.
Hopefully he will be BACK .

Dean is so "kind". I just appreciate that so much.

[Khephra]

18. I don't know about VP

But I think it's safe to say that Dean just admitted that there was some sort of a place for Graham in his administration.

[LiberalTexan]

20. Dean getting very serious

He goes into quiet dips in his speeches where the crowd naturally becomes quiet and intently listens. Then he brings it back with a rip-roar. I wonder if he does that naturally or if he was coached to do that. I think he's a good speaker.... maybe that's his "it" factor?

[FrenchieCat]

24. Why does Dean Backstabs all of the time to make

a point for himself? Clark didn't support the resolution ANYMORE than DEAN did under the LUGAR amendment......


http://www4.fosters.com/election_2002/oct/09/us_2cong_1009a.asp

Retired Gen. Clark supports Swett, raises concerns about Iraq policy
By STEPHEN FROTHINGHAM,Associated Press Writer
MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Retired U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark said Wednesday he supports a congressional resolution that would give President Bush authority to use military force against Iraq, although he has reservations about the country's move toward war.
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The general said he had no doubt Iraq posed a threat, but questioned whether it was immediate and said the debate about a response has been conducted backward.
"Normally in a debate, you start with a problem and consider possible solutions. Instead, the president has presented us with a solution before the problem has been fully articulated," he said.
"As far as the information we have now shows, there are no nuclear warheads on missiles pointed to America," he said. "You can't wait 10 years to act, but there is time on our side."
He said al-Qaida remains the largest terrorist threat against the United States, and the connection ----between al-Qaida and Iraq is unclear.
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After endorsing Swett in Nashua, he visited Manchester West High School and reassured history students that the threat of terrorism should be kept in perspective.
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He said he shares the concerns he hears from many Americans about whether the country should act against Iraq without United Nations support and about how the United States will deal with Iraq after a successful invasion.
He also met in Portsmouth with the Democratic nominee in the 1st Congressional District, state Sen. Martha Fuller Clark.
A spokesman for Clark said the two were meeting to discuss foreign policy.

[wndycty]

23. Whenever Dean lies about Clark it pisses me off. . .

. . .its unnecessary.

[xultar]

31. AMEN!!! Clark didn't aim at the other Candidates...he aimed @ shrub nt

[Terwilliger]

34. could you elaborate?

I didn't hear it

[wndycty]

49. He said Clark supported the war. . .

. . .classy Clark did not attack another Democrat, Dean did. I still like Dean but I that is the shit that keeps me from getting passionate about him.

[FrenchieCat]

37. Dean didn't have a problem with Clark before Clark started running!

September 11, 2003, Thursday
NATIONAL DESK


Dean Asks General to Join Him in Primaries, Aides Say

By JODI WILGOREN (NYT) 520 words
BURLINGTON, Vt., Sept. 10 -- After months of friendly discussions about national security and other issues, Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont, asked Gen. Wesley K. Clark to join his presidential campaign in some capacity if General Clark decided against making the run himself, aides for both men said tonight.
''The governor's told him repeatedly that he shou

[ajacobson]

28. Fake turkey line good

n/t

[xultar]

42. Yup, it was AWESOME!!! n/t

[LiberalTexan]

29. Dean telling Bush history of LIES

It was a lie to go to Iraq. Then in the summer cut the pay for military veterans.....calling for a time of respect for the troops.

Now he's digging on the fake turkey! Says it's not the only fake turkey in this administration!!!!!!!!! LOL

[Terwilliger]

30. LOL "not the only fake turkey in this administration"

hahaahah

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. That was GREAT!

Bush will forever pay for his "flight suit", his "Mission Accomplished" and "fake turkey" blunders! :bounce:

[LiberalTexan]

45. Bush really serves it up, doesn't he?

We don't even have to TRY when it comes to critisizing that TURKEY!!

I like when candidates throw in some fun comments and current events.

I'm glad he's talking about young people even in Florida. Young people feel so forgotten...

[laura888]

32. The "Fake Turkey" comment!

Dean said Bush served a fake turkey to the troops in iraq during his visit. Dean says that that wasn't the only fake turkey.

yeah!

[creativelcro]

33. LOL!! Fake turkey... Good one...

[slinkerwink]

39. I loved that comment!!!!

and the roar from the crowd is so loud!

[LiberalTexan]

35. Everyone is so crammed in there......

It reminds me of when Al Gore spoke last year. I think we definitely broke the fire code. I guess that's the next thing opponents will attack Dean for....

[Renew Deal]

38. Dean attacks several candidates with Bush lite.

What a fucking Piece of shit. Calling fellow dems Bush-lite.

[Marines for Clark]

41. Dean is a piece of shit for that

[bpilgrim]

57. no he is simply stating what his numbers are telling him MANY feel

in their gut. and a wise move in the process of difereniating himself from the others.

remember this is a war of sound-bytes and perceptions.

:hi:

peace

[Renew Deal]

61. So the perception is that

he is a divisive POS. I got the message.

[_NorCal_D_]

106. Indeed.

:( :cry:

[FrenchieCat]

47. That What Dean does best....

Down other people!.......instead of talking about how he's qualified.....

[LiberalTexan]

54. He said we aren't going to beat Bush by being Bush-Lite

Haven't we been saying that since 2001 at DU? I guess you weren't around then...

[drfemoe]

62. what do you call

someone who votes for every freaking piece of crap shoved by the current administration?

[Renew Deal]

66. That's not what

all of his opponents have done.

[drfemoe]

95. too many of them have

n/t

[FrenchieCat]

40. money, money,...

What's important about the campaign.....Uh...Winning?

[slinkerwink]

44. Clark will die in the general election if he doesn't opt out

[pruner]

50. it's too late to opt out

last Monday was the deadline.

[creativelcro]

51. Clark is gonna be toast

[WillyBrandt]

56. It's too late to opt out of fed matching funds for the

General election or the primaries?

Which one?

[pruner]

67. too late to opt out for the primaries

whoever the nomninee is, he/she won't be opting out for he general. public financing gives you $74 million to spend between the convention & the general election.

Bush will be accepting public financing for the general election.

[WillyBrandt]

76. so what's the problem?

the period between the de facto nominee becomes clear and the convention aren't really going to make or break, plus there will be quite a bit of other cash.

it just doesn't seem very important.

[Renew Deal]

52. You know what's Bush-lite...

disregarding campaign finance laws. Who else is doing it... Bush.

[Renew Deal]

59. BTW, it has nothing to do with the GE.

The matching funds are for the primary, not the GE.

[FrenchieCat]

63. I disagree!

Even with not opting out of the public financing, Clark still would be OK during the March to July period. As was suggested here, the various orgs that can collect and spend as much as they want to can provide the direct attacks ads against Bush, and get voter education running. The ground troups, including the unions could to their part in organizing in the various states. The grassroots can repeal the media via letter writing so that Clark doesn't get Gored. Clark can just advertise himself. It would actually work out really well, because he would not be making the attacks against Bush as directly; running a positive campaign full of hope and vision. I don't think that the not opting out really means "Dead Man Walking"...althought the campaigns of Kerry and Dean are making that case.

[xultar]

119. You know I've bent over backwards trying to be nice...to Dean and

civil to you. I know you're young and may not know better so I cut you some slack... But not anymore.

First of all, IF DEAN WINS the nomination. The GENERAL ELECTION WILL BE LOST. YES LOST!! 4 more years of CHIMPY FACE.

I listened to Dean, he's not the guy to be president. He will make a GREAT Senator but he's not president material. Dean reminds me of a CAR SALESMAN, he talks really fast and has his sleeves rolled up. People dont' trust car salesmen.

Not to mention that a red faced white dude that constantly talks about MLK and has somethingto prove.

You guys are totally blinded. Take a look at Dean. He found a void in the party and he is exploiting it and you.

[creativelcro]

43. BushLite: totally true!!!

[Renew Deal]

46. Tell Dean he supported Gingrich

and watch him whine. He is two faced.

[creativelcro]

48. Lotsa "ignored" signs on my thread... Keep it up...

[DeepModem Mom]

75. I've got "ignores" on both sides -- can we be civil? nt

[blm]

121. NONE of them voted for the taxcuts...

Dean lies about that. They didn't vote for the 2001 taxcut or the 2003 taxcut.

In one amendment in 2003 they voted to reduce the last taxcut from 550 to 350 and then voted against that even in the final vote, but Dean Defense Force uses that amendment vote to deceive people into thinking the other Dems voted for Bush's taxcut.

DECEPTION....DEAN. AGAIN.

[Woodstock]

53. DEAN ROCKS!!!

I've never heard him this good, he just keeps getting better and better.

[creativelcro]

58. I AGREE>>> he ROCKS...

[WhosNext]

55. Dean really spewing fire tonight

[creativelcro]

60. he's smoking the "competition"...

[Khephra]

68. Based on the reactions so far

I'm pretty sure that it's a two man race at this point, as far as the hard-core Primary voters go.

It's Dean vs Clark. None of the other candidates get the same level of reaction out of their crowds.

[unfrigginreal]

64. What's he doing? I thought this was just a convention for speeches

about Wars, Flags and Patriotism. What's he doing talking about all of these domestic issues?

[LiberalTexan]

69. He's talking about CHOICE and about GAY RIGHTS

Wow! Are we ready for this as a nation? ;-)

WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!!!!!

[LiberalTexan]

65. NO GOD NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't send that asshole back to Crawford, Texas!!!!!!!

WE DON'T WANT HIM! UGH!

ROFL

[slinkerwink]

72. hahahaha, we can send him to saudi arabia!

[creativelcro]

73. Call Eminem then..

:evilgrin:

[FrenchieCat]

70. He wants a president that will bring out the best...not the worst...

That would be Clark....to bring out the best in us....

Dean just got finished trashing Democrats...which he is doing...again!

[drfemoe]

no more commandos in the white house**

thanks all the same.

[LiberalTexan]

71. FUCK YEAH!!!!!!! HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

WE ARE GOING TO START WITH OUR BASE!!!!!!!

He's saying the swing voters will come along but we have to start with the base. He is so right. I'm tired of this "we have to appeal to the middle" bullshit.

[creativelcro]

74. MIGHT WORK. ...

[Renew Deal]

77. Dean is turning red

and his head is about to explode

[Khephra]

78. "We ought not to apologize...."

DAMN STRAIGHT!

[creativelcro]

81. HE'S EXPLODING, MAN

[creativelcro]

84. YOU HAVE THE POWER!!!! UNLIKE CLARK!!!!

That is one crucial point...

[creativelcro]

87. HE LOST IT :)

[wndycty]

93. Wow I did not hear him say. . .

"You have the power unlike Clark." Given that Clark was drafted by the people I think it is safe he understands the power of the people.

[Khephra]

103. I think the "unlike Clark"

was the poster's comment. I didn't hear it said either.

[slinkerwink]

92. Dean rocked@@@@@@

:bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce:

:yourock:

[laura888]

79. "we ought not to apologize for wanting universal health insurance"

"we ought not to apologize for supporting trade unions"

[LiberalTexan]

80. NOW HE's PISSED

I've never seen him this pissed.

He says we ought not to apologize for trying to make our country better.

We need a change in the CULTURE in Washington. We need a CHANGE in the culture of our Democratic leadership.

Amen, brother Dean.

[FrenchieCat]

82. Heard this....

you have the power.....drink your kool aide now......

I can see the centrists now.....eyes rolling!

[pruner]

LOL

from the Dean blog:

Okay--here comes the closing number. Get out the matches, lighters, and glow sticks.

:)

[WillyBrandt]

83. There are only Clark and Dean signs

I saw a smattering of Kerry signs earlier. It must be quite dispiriting to be neither Clark or Dean and see the sea of your opponents signs.

Everyone else should drop out. There's simply no way any of them can win. Clark/Dean is a good pair to choose between.

[Khephra]

98. While I don't think anyone should drop out

It is clear that there's only two candidate that can get an entire room up and active, and that's Dean and Clark.

[0007]

85. Dean rocks!

[Renew Deal]

86. Dean is a psycho

Keep him away from the button and the red phones, this guy is combustile.

[unfrigginreal]

102. Ooo,ooo, so we get to use the Psycho label now?

You sure you want to go there?

[LiberalTexan]

88. Ah, I wish Judith could have been there

I bet she was crying. That was his BEST performance yet.

[creativelcro]

Are there questions now?

[janx]

116. Without one doubt, yes it was!

.

[laura888]

89. wo! he knows how to work the crowd!

I haven't been this excited in a long time. I'm having chills!

[chimpymustgo]

90. YOU HAVE THE POWER YOU HAVE THE POWER YOU HAVE THE POWER

help!

Didn't anybody send him a clue phone after the Iowa fiasco?

[pruner]

108. Iowa fiasco?

Dean has retaken the lead in Iowa since the J-J Dinner.

WTF are you talking about?

[FrenchieCat]

91. I don't get

the appeal! I just don't get it.....

It's like a world filled with coakroaches, Repugs, bush Lites and Howard Dean.....

Does anybody get any credit round here?

[Selwynn]

99. I don't either.

I don't like Dean - every time I listen to him, it gets worse.

[slinkerwink]

101. it's okay......*coos*

calm down, frenchie. I think they have grape koolaid at 7-11. ;-)

[LiberalTexan]

94. Who sings that song?

"We can do the impossible"? Like it. :)

[creativelcro]

96. more appropriate for clark though... :)

[pruner]

100. I forget who sings it…

but the name of the song is "We Can" and it was written by Leaan Rimes.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

114. Her name is Joanna I think

I find the song kind of annoying, but that's because I had to listen to about 100 times once when I was holding for a House Party conference call.

[Name removed]

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[Renew Deal]

110. lol

:grr:

[Name removed]

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[Renew Deal]

127. I think it's a reference to YOU HAVE THE POWER

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[JNelson6563]

104. Wow!! Dean rocked! Kucinich up now!

Powerful stuff! Excellent! I'm sure Dennis will rock too. Love the song "Imagine" he chooses! :-)

Julie

[otohara]

105. I Wish He Hadn't Attacked Others

Mediawhores will have a hay day with today's performance. I attended the very first Dean meetup w/ 7 people and had lunch with the guy in a very small setting. He's got to tone it down now - he's on top - No need to be a jerk Howard

[wndycty]

111. His supporters will tell you. . .

. . .now that he is on top he can be a jerk. . .they like that.

[janx]

107. DAMN, that man was on fire!

And the whole crowd was on fire with him!

[slinkerwink]

109. I loved that line about reproductive rights!

[janx]

129. The crowd was electrified by that one, Slink!

It was great!

[ryharrin]

112. Dean rocked, like usual.

And I like Kucinich's use of "Imagine"

[absyntheNsugar]

Dean's on Fire!

I did think the "YOU HAVE THE POWER" was a little hokey, but the message came accross strong and firm!

But I do hope he picks up Clark as his running mate - not picking up Clark will make winning the election a whole lot tougher.

[creativelcro]

113. Kucinich now

[Renew Deal]

120. Good, hopefully sanity will return.

I like DK. Well thought out and actually cares.

[Kosmos Mariner]

115. Dean is not going to fly here...

There may be a couple thousand die hard Dems cheering him on now, but this is a state of 16,000,000. Floridians, may like the message but will be turned off by the package. In this state, people want to have fun, no worries, liberal anger doesn't sell. I know he is a moderate, but his attempt to veer way left in the primaries is going to be a disaster. People are sick of Bush down here, but they react more positively to Edwards or Clark like packaging. I like his efforts to fire up the Dems, but he is falling into the GOP's traps. We have to win the war, know who your voters are. His message will fall flat in the suburbs, sun-belt, and the South. Unfortunately red faced populists don't win. Remember William Jennings Bryan? I like Dean, but he has to change the marketing.

:dem:

[Terwilliger]

125. that's right...after all, Floridians handed it to George Bush in 2000

[LiberalTexan]

117. I could hear Dean in the background

as he was leaving talking to a kid who said he lost his Pell Grant. Dean said over 84,000 students did too and was talking to him....did anyone get that? That's nice he took the time to talk. Last year, the candidates didn't really do that-- except for Gore because he just COULDN'T get out of the room. :)

[LiberalTexan]

122. NEW THREAD FOR KUCINICH???

Should We?

[Khephra]

123. THREAD 5 -- continue here please

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=839605

These long threads are hard on our dial-up members.

[NashVegas]

124. "Walking on Sunshine"

Interesting choice, that.

Kool-aid reference, or an aural cue to Gen-Xers?

[dweller]

126. threads getting too long,

Keph, please start a new thread #5

thanks
dp

[TahitiNut]

128. Locking ... continue at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=839605