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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:37 AM
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What if Gray Davis Resigns.
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 11:40 AM by The Lone Liberal

The “recall petition” is over.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:41 AM
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1. two things
1) Not gonna happen
2) Too late for that now.
I support him and any pro choice woman or Gay person who doesn't deserves to be sent to Texas. He is doing as well as anyone could in the bush/enron economy
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:45 AM
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4. It is not to late and it would stop the ballot for Governor
If the polls continue to show Davis losing he will resign. I assume that in California the Lt. Governor becomes Governor
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:41 AM
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That was true all the way up to the point where the petitions were filed.
If Gray Davis resigns now, the recall goes on.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:41 AM
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2. That he would tantamount to admitting he is in the wrong.
And I don't think he believes that. And why should he? All the other states are deeply in debt and struggling. Isn't that all part of the busholini agenda? It certainly is happening on the federal level, with more and more financial resources being pumped into numbnuts' war machine.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:42 AM
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3. True, But Think of it This Way

If Clinton had resigned before the House impeachment proceedings, there would have been no attempt to remove him from office. Is that what you were recommending at the time?

Seriously, I think Davis should consider this option if the polls show he is going to lose. I don't think he will, and I don't really blame him.
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DagmarK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:51 AM
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5. I think he should resign.......
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 11:52 AM by DagmarK
Because wouldn't Cruz Bustamente (is that his name) ascend to the gov's seat until the recall election?

and then you have a FRESH dem going up against a repuke and that dem, who is now an incumbent would have the advantage.

Of course Davis is not wrong, but for the good of the state and the party, he should step down. To not resign, he is putting himself and his "honor" above everything else. That sucks.

Gore got out of this prez race, he says, for the good of the country and the party because he said it would be an elec 2000 redux. (Granted, I think we need an elec 2000 redux.......). But his motivation was for the ultimate good. How come Davis can't be above that? (and I disagree......I don't think that if his approval ratings go way down that he will resign. He just doesn't strike me as having the character to just step aside. Sometimes that's the courageous and decent thing to do). He should have resigned with the petition recall was looking certain a couple of weeks ago -- and BEFORE the petition got turned in. That could have allowed us to avoid this whole horrible mess).
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:01 PM
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9. maya Feinstein and Boxer should resign too
after all , they were elected too and the pukes don't like them either.In fact maybe we should recall Davis and elected a republican , then we won't haveto fight. A good way to keep your tutu clean.
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:52 AM
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6. If we had not had the votes in the Senate,
Yes, I would have recommended, if asked, that he resign. This would be the ultimate payback to Issa. Issa would have spent all that money and not been able to run for Governor.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:56 AM
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7. too late for that
.so you can forget suggesting it
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 11:58 AM
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8. What is the law
and how could the backers of the petition justify spending 25 or more million to recall someone who no longer occupies the office?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:03 PM
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10. Also the state must reimburse Davis if he wins
.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:12 PM
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18. BTW--Recall elections ARE NOT subject to campaign finance limits!
Wooo Hooo!
Writing the big checks and no recourse !
This is something the repukes never considered.
:nuke:
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:08 PM
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11. If Davis thinks he will lose the recall, he ought to resign
Although the recall would proceed, it would offer a Bustamante a legitimate reason for going on the ballot, (he would be the sitting governor then) and he would win if the Repubs have several candidates, and he is the only Democrat.

In this case, Bustamante would be governor if the recall fails, and would likely be governor if the recall wins.

However, I don't think there is a chance in hell that Davis would resign.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:13 PM
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13. I Think Davis Can Resign Up Until The Recall Is Held
somebody said he can't

what if the person being recalled died


I'm sure they cancel the recall
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EconomicsDude Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:12 PM
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12. Not quite...
...these kinds of attempts to circumvent the Democratic process are not looked on kindly by the courts. Furthe, the recall is for the current governor...whomever that would be. If Davis resigns and hands over the reigns to Bustamante, then it is Bustamante who'll face recall.

Besides suppose Bush resigns right before the 2004 elections? Cheney becomes president till 2008 and appoints Bush VP? Then they continue this till they have booth served two terms then the last term they pick a New VP and keep it going. Democrats never get into the White House again.

Come on, be serious.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:14 PM
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14. you're comparing apples and oranges
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 12:18 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
If Bush resigned before the 2004 election another name would go on the ballot and it doesn't have to be Cheney.

Cheney would be President but that doesn't mean he has to run for the office in the next election
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:44 PM
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15. I will bet that the petition calls for the recall of Gray Davis
Specifically and not the generic recall of the Governor.
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 12:48 PM
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16. Feinstein could end all this if she entered the race.
I just hope the dems wake up to the threat of a repuke governor before it is too late.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:00 PM
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17. Never resign
start recalls on thug assemblmen who are not in safe districts.Fight them."politics is not for the Fainthearted"... Gray Davis besides you want an election for Senator? what a bunch of chickens on this thread.
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 04:32 PM
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22. Tactics --- not fainthearted. If it is inevitable, act in the extreme.
If Davis is going to lose, why wait and take an outside chance that the Repugs will win, screw them the only way he can by resigning and making the Lt. Governor the Governor.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:43 PM
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23. Again , too late for that.
2) he did nothing wrong he waas elected tactics shmactics Never give in We can recall a republican Governor.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 09:44 PM
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24. tell your own governor to resign.
.ours is here for the duration
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:16 PM
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19. FUCKIN' A , MITCH!!!
WE MUST RECOGNIZE THIS IS A COUP ATEMPT. These fanatical RWers aren't going to quit and go away; they are going to keep at this until we lose our resolve or marginalize them.

FIGHTING THIS IS THE ONLY WAY. THIS IS A DECLARATION OF WAR
:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:17 PM
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20. BTW here's a link
Edited on Sat Jul-26-03 03:17 PM by Capn Sunshine
I wrote this article about Grover Norquist but its subtext is what is happening in California

http://www.americanwatchdog.org/gop.htm

:nuke:
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JasonBerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-03 03:18 PM
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21. Here Is A Very Interesting Article Concerning Recall Language
http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/news/stories/20030724/localnews/638045.html

It's crazy, but will make a helluva book when it's all over.
What an inane way to spend money california does not have!
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