What did I just hear on PBS? Neocon vs Paleocon?

[aquart]

A Steve Hayward (sp?) identified as a neocon and someone named Taki, identified as a paleocon. Taki was saying:

He didn't want downtown Chicago to become an armed camp like Tel Aviv which it will if neocons continue their overreaching;

Neocons should practice the Christian values they preach, like forgiving other people for having a different opinion;

Neocons aren't conservative at all, they're "careerists."

CAREERISTS!!!!

I only caught the last moments of the show and I don't know what it was, but is this little rift beginning to look like the continental divide?

Oh, and the question was asked, just what do conservatives want to conserve about America. It wasn't answered.

[soupkitchen]

1. Well, my definition of a neo-con is

a person that learned along the way there is more money to be made praising the king than criticizing him.

[RandomKoolzip]

2. I thought that was the definition of "Dennis Miller."

A neocon is a person who has decided to abandon their ideals and become a buttboy for the corporate machine and the Israeli occupation. Leo Strauss's "teachings" fit in here as well. A neocon wants war all the time because that's how he makes his money.

[soupkitchen]

4. It is the definition of Dennis Miller

Although not all neo-cons become embittered by being exposed as a complete phony on Monday Night Football.

[Stephanie]

3. PBS or NPR? Taki is an ass

If it is the Taki I'm thinking of, used to write for the NY Press. I have a vague recollection that he was in prison or something. He's a right wing elitist ass.

Good that they're starting to fight amongst themselves. I am actually shocked that anyone would IDENTIFY himself as a neocon. I thought it was a perjorative. But maybe that's just in my world.

[pnorman]

11. "Taki", dissolute son of a wealthy Greek shipowner

was convicted (I didn't know about the jail-time) of a drug-related offence. Oddly enough, he was very critical of the Iraq Invasion. He's probably more "reactionary" than "conservative", But the good thing about "paleos" is that they're both consistent and honest, and well worth debating.

[gulliver]

5. Careerists!

That's a great way to look at it. I haven't read that anywhere until now. Maybe that's why these neocons are so ruthless and have no qualms about selling the government to business. They are acting every bit like cutthroat careerists.

Carreerist Conservatives. It has a nice ring.

Cutthroat Conservative Carreerists.

Carreerist Cutthroat Conserviatives...

[oneighty]

6. In a successful

neocon world Grover Norquist would be out of a job. His CAREER would be over. He could start a new one at BK.

180

[gulliver]

8. LOL!

:-) Let's hope the neocons get understood and consigned to the dustbin though.

[aquart]

7. NOT careerist conservatives. JUST careerists.

The pissed off people being labeled paleocons may be disassociating themselves completely. They just don't want to use the word "radical" because it didn't take.

According to this Taki, careerists are NOT conservatives.

It really is a nasty word, isn't it? <tee hee>

[gulliver]

9. You're right.

Got carried away with the alliteration, don't you know. :-)

[aquart]

10. I understand.

This morning I'm blissing out on Hopkins Heroes.

[Terwilliger]

12. I have heard MANY Pukes use the word "neocon"...never before 3 weeks ago

Pat Buchanan and Democrats and leftists use "neocon", but almost never any conservatives.

I've now heard Dana Rohrbacher and Tony Blankley use the word "neocon" (something neither of them have ever used before) and I'm almost sure I heard some other typical con use that term.