Susan Estrich criticizes the "Hate Bush" meeting. . .

[wndycty]

Susan Estrich
Politics of hate won't beat Bush

December 4, 2003

Anyone up for a "Hate Bush" meeting in Hollywood?
Doesn't it sound like just the sort of thing
conservatives would invent to make liberals look
stupid and open the conservative spigots?

But this was no right-wing conspiracy. Matt Drudge may
be the one selling the idea that Hollywood held a
"Hate Bush" meeting, but he didn't come up with the
title. This is a self-inflicted wound by another silly
Hollywood liberal giving honest politics a bad name.
-snip-

Productive? I bet it produced a lot of money for
George Bush. And worse, it helps produce votes for
him.

The people whose votes Democrats will need to defeat
George Bush don't hate him. On a personal level, they
like him. They need to be convinced not to vote for
him, for reasons that have to do with the war, or
special interests or the economy. "Hate Bush"
headlines do just the opposite.

Enemies are one thing, but with friends like Laurie
David, the Democratic nominee is going to need all the
help he can get.

Estrich is professor of law and political science at
the University of Southern California. Contact her at
[e-mail]

http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/098743-5314-021.html

[thebigidea]

1. uh huh. lets take advice from people who work for FOX

Has Alan Colmes chimed in yet? I'm waiting on pins and needles.

[wndycty]

2. LOL.

. . .you got a point. I won't be happy until I hear from Joe Lieberman.

[CatWoman]

5. Did you see Alan on last night's Daily Show?

can't believe you didn't tune in to watch your idol :D

:hi:

[thebigidea]

8. surely you know me better than that

It was kinda dissapointing, I wish Stewart would've sliced Hannity a bit, take him down a peg.

Several of my friends were very disturbed by Colmes' face.

"It causes me pain to look at it..."

"He's got a certain pedophile look about him."

I tried to explain it was called "ruggedly handsome," but for some reason - nobody believed me.

[Zomby Woof]

15. it's not Colmes

It's Colmes. :D

[thebigidea]

16. that needed a TEENY TINY FONT for more effect

[eissa]

3. She has to criticize us

or risk being fired by Faux. Where is her criticism of all the "Hate Clinton" parties (they weren't given names back then, but that's what they were) during the 90s? Tell her to go help another democrat lose a campaign; it's what she does best.

[blm]

4. I loathe Susan Estrich...she's a GOP operative, imo.

And gee...guess which of the Dem candidates she supports?

[thebigidea]

6. aw, but don't you love her musical, ez-on-the-ears voice?

She should do a solo album of Leonard Cohen covers

[CatWoman]

9. my guess: Lieberman?

[blm]

18. Nope. Who has all the "pizzaz"

that would make ol' Sue beam from ear to ear? (And that's a WIDE area.)

[thebigidea]

19. somehow, I don't think the Dean folks appreciate Estrich's "help"

[blm]

30. Why not? She's part of the whoremedia hype that pushed him

down our throats in the first place. Frank Luntz, however, is even more effusive about Dean than ol' Sue even. Wonder why that doesn't bother many here?

[thebigidea]

32. probably because listening to Frank Luntz causes cancer!

[GCP]

7. "The Usual suspects"?

Methinks Fox has turned her.

[Oilwellian]

10. Honest politics?

This is a self-inflicted wound by another silly
Hollywood liberal giving honest politics a bad name.

Please, help me stop laughing. :D

[0007]

11. The freepers have ranked this women to no end -

I wonder if they are now applauding Susan?

[Sean Reynolds]

12. nm

/

[TheWebHead]

13. Estrich based column on false premise

Never mind the fact that Lloyd Grove of NY Daily News confirmed Laurie
David didn't even send out the invitation with 'Hate Bush', it was forwarded and added to the title later down the food chain.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/141857p-125726c.html

[dennis4868]

14. Estrich is a waste of time....

to read or listen too. She is the ultimiate media whore!

[eleny]

17. I don't agree with her premise...

that people who we need to vote against Bush will not be hating him. I believe that many who turn on him *will hate him. Hate him for killing their military kin in the Middle East, hate him for losing them their jobs, hate him for lying to them at every turn. I think there's plenty of hate for the shrub to go around and include those who voted for him the first time around. And I can't see all the Greens who voted for Nader risking another 4 years of *. Especially after the recent decision regarding mercury. They'd be nuts to vote for Nader again.

So, I guess that I feel that SE has spent too much time working on Faux. She needs a reality check or at least to pull her head out of her ass. I'll be glad to send her an email and share my thoughts.

[SoCalDem]

20. Susan Estrich is a vindictive Hag..

Why anyone would care a whit about what her innermost thoughts are, is beyond me :shrug:

and that voice...:puke:

I think she and Lucianne Goldberg are long lost sisters

[farmbo]

21. Sorry Susan...you got your biggest point wrong!!

Laurie David did not "bill" the meeting as a "hate Bush" meeting....Matt Sludge did, and his report was a bald-faced lie.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1203/grove120203.asp

<snip>
Drudge claimed on his Web site — erroneously, I've concluded — that David titled an e-mail about the event at the Beverly Hilton, to be co-hosted by the likes of superagent Ari Emanuel and "Seinfeld" star Julia Louis-Dreyfus, "with the bold heading: 'Hate Bush 12/2 — Event.' "


In response, David told me Monday, she was subjected to a barrage "of ugly messages," including this one from an Akron, Ohio, man who somehow managed to obtain her private fax number:


"Dear Laurie David: Thanks for revealing how Compassionate Liberals such as yourself would initiate a Hate Bush campaign. And some wonder why there is increasing anti-Semitism. I'm not."
<snip>

Sludge runs made-up articles quite often, actually. It gets him into the Fox news cycle, and feeds red meat to the RW base.

And you got hooked to the gills...Sucker!!

:crazy:

[Terwilliger]

22. who cares?

here's a right-wing shill who claims that she's a Democrat

[Patriot_Spear]

23. Sent her an Email, just for kicks.

Acting as if the 1990’s had never occurred; when a pundit for the rightwing shill ‘Faux News’ has the audacity to complain about how many of the American people loathe Mr. Bush* (yourself, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, etc) clearly someone is doing something right!



*The legitimacy of the Bush presidency is in dispute.

[SaveElmer]

24. Well she is an 'Expert'

After all, she ran that glorious Dukakis campaign. Obviously a political genius!

[cybildisobedience]

25. a response to Susan

Sent via email:

Regarding your article about the "hate bush" meeting:
First of all: the "hate bush" title was made up by someone in the
process of forwarding emails about this around the country. This has
been publicized repeatedly since this gathering was first announced, and
I don't quite believe that you don't know this. Drudge picked it and up
and ran with it -- unverified, of course, which is his style. Your
style, however, should be a bit more careful, particularly since you
presume to speak for Democrats, liberals and progressives.
Secondly, anger has served the right-wing hate movement fairly well,
don't you think?
It certainly fueled an entire industry of Clinton-hating for the past
decade that was very profitable for a number of pundits whose only claim
to fame is that they are willing to humiliate themselves with their
abject, irrational and often psychotic hatred of Clinton for offenses
both real and imagined.
If anger propels more people to become aware, question this dangerous
administration, pressure their representatives to adopt sensible
policies that benefit the many over the few, and eventually unseat this
unelected fraud who is destroying our country, I have no problem with
it.
Question is: Why should you? The only answer I can come up with is that
you are yet another so-called Democrat pretending to be so concerned for
the future of the party, while taking money from Fox news and any other
corporate media outlet that will pay you for your "wisdom."
Thanks anyway -- I'll formulate my own opinions based on facts -- not
Rupert Murdoch's fantasies.

[kodi]

26. as a political commentator she's as useless as teats on a bull

her entire premise is so stupidly wrong in thinking that those who like bush on a personal level will be convinced to vote against him because of the war, special interests, and economics.

anyone who believes that bush is personally a nice guy is hardly the type to vote against him, because that which he has done about the war, special intersts, the environment, and the economy are exactly those traits that reveal bush to be a boldfaced liar.

so, estrich is referring to not pissing off people who accept bush's personal hypocrisy, but just dont like what it leads to?

as if.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

27. Let's take up a DU collection for Susan the Republican!

and buy her a package of Hall's throat lozenges to help with her Harvey Fierstein sound-alike problem

[PROGRESSIVE1]

28. Let's see now, who's who?

Zell Miler is Dick Russell's "Love Child" and Susan Estrich is Zell Miller's "Love Child".


:puke: Estrich



:kick:

:kick:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

Estrich is a 10 cent...

"mediawhore"!


:puke: :puke: :puke:



:mad:

[BurtWorm]

29. Susan and Pat Caddell sittin' in a tree

S-E-L-L-I-N-G O-U-T!

[eleny]

31. How fast will Russert try to get them both on

as his "Dem" guests. Nothing like doing and saying things as Rove dreams them.

[meow2u3]

33. Tell Susie Ostrich to stick her head in the ground

right where it came from.

There is none so blind as those who will not see.

[mot78]

34. The Most Liberal DINOs are Estrich and Colmes

them and Lieberman...and Zell, should stop wearing Ds next totheir names.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

35. I Have Never Heard Estrich Say Anthing Progressive

Susan Estrich keeps getting introduced on Fox and elsewhere as a liberal or progressive. After listening to her repeatedly, I have never heard her defend a Democrat or take a progressive position. Her whole "schtick" seems to be that of the liberal who, in the particular instance in which she is called upon as a commentator, has the enlightenment to be able to criticize the Democrat that one time, therefore having credibility. In other words, she tries to present herself as that liberal who can self-criticize her own party, unlike lock-step Republicans. But for that particular role to carry any weight, she has to have taken solidly liberal positions in the past. I have never heard her voice any such positions, however. Why don't they interview Erwin Chemerinsky, instead? Another USC Professor of Law, he is one of the great voices of the left, an intellectual and deep thinker with far superior educational credentials than Ms. Estrich.

[Bandit]

36. If Laurie David did indeed bill this as Hate Bush* fest

Susan was correct in her assessment. It would be a terribly stupid thing to do. We don't need that kind of publicity. It is one thing to lambast Bush* policies and performance but to actually bill this as a Hate Bush* fest is stupid. IMHO We can and should do much better.

[CO Liberal]

37. Susan Estrich Sounds Like Carol Channing

Sshe's on Hannity's radio pukefest right now. Or maybe it's Ryan Stiles doing his Carol Channing impersonation.....

[Snivi Yllom]

38. Susan is the new Pat Cadell

The Dark Side of the force has you Susan...