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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:46 AM
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Was the media as insistent about W's governor records when he ran?
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 11:47 AM by SoCalDem
Judy Woodruff just reported that EVERYONE, "even the head of the RNC" is pushing to see Dean's records..

I seem to remember when W was running, he just said No, and they all said "Sorry, let me kiss your ring, your hand, your ass".."Sorry we asked"..

Persoonally I think all records should be available before any election, BUT when one person flatly says NO, and they are not challenged, they kind of set the precedent, and if others want theirs private too...so be it..

A governor is not really a stealth figure, and the media (and anyone) can surely use Google and find plenty of information about things that involved his/her time in office..

It all seems just lazy and stupid for the media to EXPECT the person running, to provide ammo to be used against themselves.. I don't remember people getting all lathered up over the past years about "Vermont's state of affairs".. Probably most people could not even FIND Vermont on an unmarked map of the US..
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:48 AM
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1. We have to expect the media to continue the double standard.
All of the Dem candidates will be held to a level accountability that is not expected by the media of Bush. Unfortunately, this is a reality we will have to deal with in the coming year.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:50 AM
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2. That's exactly right...the media didn't have a TENTH the concern
about Bush that they do about Dean now...absolute hypocrisy!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:55 AM
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5. I wish Dean and any of the others running would just say to them
ON CAMERA.. "Why are you so interested in MY administration, when you did not even bother to check out *'s records... You know, maybe the media IS responsible for the mess we are in today..If you guys had been less interested in cutesy nicknames and tours of the Crawford pigfarm,than you were about his shady business dealings, the public might have gotten to know who this guy REALLY was, before he set out to destroy America "...

I would love to see the look on their faces :)
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:52 AM
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3. Did Judy also mention
that Bush's records are sealed as well? Didn't think so.

I agree that records should be open. But the RNC will take this to the hilt and not utter a word about Bush's secrecy. Then when Dean says "I'll show mine if he'll show his" it will just be framed to shift focus that Dean's so secretive...what's he got to hide.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:08 PM
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7. Bush records are "unsealed"under "Open Records Law" - meaning restrictions
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 01:09 PM by papau
But our media will pretend Bush records are available.
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SadEagle Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 11:53 AM
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4. /even/ RNC chairman !?
Wow, I am shocked that such Democrat-friendly figure would try to score political points against a Democratic candidate. Simply shocked. It's unbelivable! :eyes:

I guess we should stop talking those folks 'talking heads', 'cause anyone making that statement is extremely unlikely to have one. 'talking big mouths' may be more like it.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 12:12 PM
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6. Judy Woodruff is a complete whore
The press gave Bushler a complete pass on everything when he was running and still gives him a complete pass.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:15 PM
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9. You said it. The hypocrisy and double standards are so blatant as to
be unbelieveable...
Why then so many sheeple who swallow the lies?
Laziness? Greed? Stupidity? What the hell is it???
I really don't get it at all...
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:14 PM
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8. It's going to get VERY ugly.
With the media in Bush's pocket, we can expect propaganda like we've never seen it. Bush AND the media against whatever Democrat wins the primaries. I'm not expecting much fairness or accuracy in reporting. I guess the 2000 election fiasco and the coup in California have just made me a bit skeptical.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:16 PM
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10. The Democrat who wins 2004 will have to be twice as good as the Repulbican
The winning Democrat has to beat a HUGE spread. You have Diebold, the media, the supreme court, Republican governors, etc.

It's not enough to say "I'll do what Bush does." You have to be twice as good as Bush. You have to say, I'll do twice what Bush does.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:32 PM
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16. Diebold is no longer guaranteed in Ohio - OH AG announced
that the electronic voting will not be available for the 2004 selection.

Hoping, praying, etc . . .
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:18 PM
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11. Not only did they not ask
but his AWOL status was harldy mentioned. Yet us democrats are making a big deal because one of our candidates responded to a draft notice, failed the exam, and was relieved about it. Chimpy goes AWOL, never released his records while campaigning, has gotten us involved in an illegal, unjust war, ran up trillions in deficit, has given us the worst international image ever, passes the most extreme legislation, and we're worried about our candidates? I think ANY of the democrats can take * next year!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:26 PM
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13. I am not worried about our candidate, BUT
Edited on Wed Dec-03-03 01:27 PM by SoCalDem
I AM worried about how the media will portray our candidate.. Perception IS reality, and the press goes OUT OF THEIR WAY to nitpick every word that comes out of the mouth of a dem, and when * cannot get out a single coherent thought, they just cluck and say "awww, ain't he cute?? That's ok W, we love you and we know what you meant"...

You can SEE the unadulterated JOY on their faces when they think they have "caught" a dem in a word-trap..

People only know about the candidates by what they see on tv.. A candidate may make a riveting address and cover all the bases, but the press will only show a 30 second soundbyte..over and over and over and over.. If they pick an unflattering one, that is what the public sees..

Then counter that one soundbyte with the unlimited coverage that * gets and how the apologist press gives him a pass..

Most people are more gullible than we are, and they are accustomed to having their "news" dished out in shooshing, clanging, throbbing bits and pieces, delivered by the blonde,lipglossed bimbette of the day..

Is it any wonder that our guys get little or no respect??

* owns the microphone, the presses and the airwaves.. We have the internet, but how many netheads vote?? (besides us)

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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:35 PM
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17. Aaahhhhhh, but
that is where our own democrats are to blame. How many "democrats" have we read about or seen on the talking heads shows SLAMMING the democratic candidates?! This, to me at least, is completely unacceptable! I agree that * has a biased media and $$$ on his side, but our side bears some responsibility for not more forecfully calling * on his record while in office, for not acting like an opposition party (voting with * so many times), and for failing to go on the offense rather than reacting (defending) all the time.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:22 PM
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12. The media didn't care. Bush's record was a miserable failure!
But that asshole got the WH in spite of that.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:31 PM
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14. "Al Gore Invented The Internet" all over again.

At least we're there this time to tell them what
whores they are.

Dean did say it, I think. "What about sealing the
Reagain/Bush 41 records, huh? What was Jr. hiding?"

:grr:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-03 01:32 PM
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15. I don't think it would have been an issue at the time because he...
...was still the governor. He didn't resign as governor until December 22, 2000, well after the election. I don't know if some governors release this stuff when they are still in office or not? Anyone know?

Don

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