LOFTUS on MSNBC NOW (Olberman)

[seventhson]

nt

[Cush]

1. who?

never heard of him

[lazarus]

2. wtf?

the guerrilla war is being funded by Iran?

[mourningdove92]

3. Yes, thats what the man said,

He also said that the WMD's were in Iran and other neighboring countries. Also, he claims Saddam is already dead, probably somewhere in Russia.
Dubya apologist number 843

[Cush]

5. yup

and that they will announce the WMDs next fall during the campaign season to embarass the Dems. (thats one hell of a risky gamble if true)

and if Saddam IS DEAD, that just proves that the people aren't fighting for him

[Mz Pip]

6. They should be

called out on that now. Get it into the American consiousness so if it does happen all will know how truly opportunistic BushCo really is.

Basically I think Loftus is a hasbeen.

MzPip
:dem:

[Walt Starr]

4. Trotted out the crappy "we have 'em and are waiting to reveal 'em

until the election" canard.

If this adminstration has Iraqi WMDs and are hiding them for political purposes, that is high treason. No sugar coating that shit, it is high treason and any Dem worth her/his salt who does not use those specific words if they trot out WMDs during the election is also a traitor in my book.

Maybe that's why Mannthrax Coulter has been overusing the word treason lately, so that it's a watered down version of itseelf when REAL treason is committed by her boy.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

8. Hmmmm, kinda like impeachment, eh?

[Clete]

16. I don't think that Annthrax thinks that deeply

and conservatives, which should be her crowd, are trying to distance themselves from her.

[seventhson]

18. That is why I so not think Loftus is HELPING Bush any

Basically he is saying that, once again, Bush KNOWS - is doing nothing about - and is using the deaths of our soldiers and the issue of WEMD for political gain.

Treason IS the right word. So is impeachment.

GORE IN FOUR FOR NO MORE WAR!!!!

[madfloridian]

7. Is all Loftus's research still online?

What has happened to him? I heard him last year, and he was not a mouthpiece for this group then. He was talking a lot about Prescott Bush and Germany.

He has changed for sure. Hmm..mm....
:tinfoilhat:

[Octafish]

9. Here's a link and a note...

John Loftus a couple months back appeared on C-SPAN, just before a segment with Greg Palast. Loftus did give W a pass, saying he was not the same guy as his grandpappy the Nazi Angel. Still, the old Fed has a lot of dirt on Prescott and Poppy and the Bush Organized Crime Family, even if he doesn't say Smirko is a total moron.

His stuff's at:

http://www.john-loftus.com/

[GumboYaYa]

10. I saw that interview and it disturbed me for some time.

I absolutely believe that Bushco could pull a stunt like that and for awhile I got very depressed that we are being played. I thought about this interview all through dinner.

I think it is BS. If they had WMDs now the heat is too high, they would have played their hand. Blair is hanging by a thread. Condi is on the chopping block. The Bush gang is using every dirty trick in the book to slander their accusers. If they were holding an ace, Bush doesn't have the patience to keep his cool. Plus he is starting to lose it in public. Rove would not take a chance on his boy losing votes for blowing his cool in public.

Also if they were in Iraq or Syria we would be invading those places by now.

If WMDs were being moved we would have seen it before the war. We had surveillance flights all over that country and UN inspectors were in Iraq. It would be too hard to move any significant WMDs and not get caught.

I call BS on Loftus.

[seventhson]

11. The real deal...

I don't know if John is the real deal or not.

I know him personally (he is president of the Florida Holocaust Museum and was tryng like hell to get the Bush-Nazi connections publicized before the 2000 election).

He IS a democrat.

John Voight bought the rights to his book "The Secret War Against the Jews..." where he details Bush connections to the Nazis and the Saudis.

He spends a lot of time with the old spooks (he had a high national security clearance) - and he has many inside sources who will talk to him personally with bits of whistleblowing info.

He is pro-Israel but does not always tow the party line on issues and has pissed off a lot of right wing Israelis (especially with his reporting that Simon Wiesenthal let Nazis go who had CIA connections and that Ben Gurion cut a deal with the Dulleses and Rockefellers NOT to pursue them for their Nazi business deals in Auschwitz and elsewhere if THEY got the votes for Israel to come into existence in 1948.

If Loftus is right (and only time will tell) - there are fundamentalists based in Iran financing the killing of US soldiers AND Bush KNOWS that there are WMD's in Syria (and maybe Iran)and KNOWS where they are and will use that knowledge to start a "new" war during the next election cycle.

All the foreshadowing is there.

There is no doubt that the rightists in Iran and Syria are monstrous just as they are in Israel and Saudi Arabia etc. - and IMHO - if the Bushies have a deal with these fundies in spooky ways then the Bushes may actually be BEHIND the killing of US soldiers and keeping the alleged WMD's hidden for political purposes.

If you have not read Loftus's books on the Nazis and their ties to the Bushes, Rockefellers and the Vatican (The Secret War...)then I suggest it strongly. It is critical information

I have disagreed with John on occasions in his analysis and am unsure what his agenda is. But I have no doubt that he has a lot more info than we have got and that he is NOT a Bush apologist or supporter.

He really tried like hell to get the Bush-Nazi info publicized (60 minutes and the Globe both chickened out of pieces before the 2000 elections)in 2000 (he called the Boston Globe "chicken shit" when they said it was old news)

I strongly suggest you read THIS piece to get a picture of Johns views in general:

http://www.clamormagazine.org/features/issue14.3_feature.html

He also was instrumental in exposing the Saudi ties to the terrorists in the Florida professor case.

I would not dismiss him too lightly.

The Clamor piece is based on John's writings and research.

Read it and shudder. We are in deep shit....



GORE!!!!

[grasswire]

12. It isn't old news....

...if most Americans have never heard it.

[seventhson]

13. That's what I said

a few months after the Selcetion the Globe FINALLY ran a little puff piece on it.

Now we ALL know all about it if we read DU.

But that is only 30,000 of us so far.

Pass the Clamor article on please.

[seventhson]

14. PS - Believe it or not...

I helped with some of the research that went into this article.

Quick story: I was doing my own research - discovered the Tarpley book on Bush - and sent the links to Loftus who was able to then make the ties to the Dutch banking enterprises that had not really been made before.

John filled in a lot of blanks in Tarpley's diatribe with solid evidence.

I interviewed Loftus live (on the radio - I have been a radiojournalist off and on for almost 30 years) and we became friends. He confirmed information and data that NO ONE ELSE was talking about practically: Wall Street and Ivory Tower ties to the financing of Hitler's rise to power and attempt at global fascism.

THAT is what is reemerging now with the same corporate and family entities (from Wall Street to Saudi Arabia) engaging in an effort to consolidate their global corporate fascist monopoly.

Only Loftus really seems to have the courage to address it in all its barbarity (at least he was practically the first)

There is plenty more too...


Gore in Four for NO MORE WAR!!!!

[GumboYaYa]

15. I had seen that before. It is very scary.

It is very easy for me to believe that the BFEE would sit on WMDs until the right time and trot them out to win an election. I just don't see the spooks going along with this in the present climate. If there is any truth to the reports we are seeing of intense animosity between the WH and the CIA, there is no way this could be accomplished.

Also, the logistics of moving tons of Chem weapons without detection seems impossible. It is beyond comprehension that a scam of that magnitude could be accomplished with no leaks occurring beforehand (maybe that is what we are seeing now). The only way it could happen is if there was collusion between the US and Hussein. That is a scary, scary thought.

I really wish Loftus would have given more info on this.

If it is true and WMDs turn up at election season you can find me in New Zealand or Canada.

[seventhson]

17. For more on Loftus Check out the Intelligence files/projects at his site

http://www.john-loftus.com/enron3.asp#congress

Has some intense shit and gives an example of where he is going.

Since he has an insider's intelligence peephole he sees things we can't see (YET).

[seemslikeadream]

19. I want to believe in John

but awhile back I saw an interview with him and he was so sure the WMDs were buried in a desert in Iraq, I forget the name, and said they would be found in 48 hours.