My letter to local radio host regarding Davis recall in CA!

[TLM]

This guy is trying hard to blame CA's debt on democrats... feel free to join me in setting him straight.

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My letter:
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Republicans lost the election, Boyer is a Sore Loser, man.
Why can't he GET OVER IT?


Also, get some facts about our state deficit. The vast majority of our debt is due to BUSH and his policy, not state mismanagement.

Our state debt is 38 billion.

The war in Iraq makes up 10.8 billion of that.

There's another 10 billion that was directly linked to Enron ripping our state off, while Bush did nothing to cap the prices.

Several billion more is a direct result of unfunded mandates in Bush's "No child left behind" education bill that mandates states do tons of education spending, without providing any funds. This is a lot of that "new spending" that Boyer wants to blame on democrats.

And with the tax cut induced federal deficit, the federal funds that normally come into the state are not there, so we have to cover the costs of that on the state level... which accounts for a few billion more in debt.

Then look at all the money lost in the stock market crash and the dot com bubble bursting... all of this stuff Davis had NO control over what so ever.

Since Bush is more responsible for our state debt than Davis, does Boyer want to recall Bush?


Republican Pete Wilson passes energy deregulation.

Republican Graham pulls electric trading from the same oversight as other traded commodities, while his wife Wendy Graham is on the board of Enron, allowing them to commit fraud and gouge CA.

Republican Bush, who has Enron as his single biggest campaign contributer, refuses to cap prices on their market manipulation.

Republican Bush sends unfunded mandates our way, creating debt and new spending.

Republican Bush cuts taxes, depleting federal funds and thus federal level grants that fund needed programs, like HOME LAND SECURITY! So states have to pick up that bill too.

So how exactly is our deficit Davis' fault?

[Cha]

1. Great letter, TLM!,,,,I wish it would get published!,,,,,these guys,,,

just lie to see their lips move...

they know what happened ,,but that wouldn't help get a repuke elected gov of Cal...so he could steal bush the election for California.

[SuffragetteSal]

2. thanks

Right on and well written. Do you mind if I share with my confused family in California? Thanks..:)

[TLM]

6. Not at all... go for it..

What i am looking for is a nice breakdown of total ammounts for our debt in CA... i got the 10.8 billion figure for the Iraq war. However the rest are general numbers, I need solid citable numbers.


That way I can do a straight breakdown in a nice graphic or something like that, which is quick and gets the point across.

[northzax]

3. actually, I think this could be a good thing

the recall that is. Davis is toast, and to have him recalled now will a: fire up the Dem base in CA for '04, and b: reduce the numbers of GOP voters in CA in '04 (since they won't have Davis to be pissed off about any more) we could lose the statehouse, but lock up the state for whoever the Dem candidate is in 2004. thoughts?

[TLM]

7. I do not think he's toast... the recall is going to have a lot of problems

Davis won the election and people know that these republicans want in so they can use the deficit as an excuse to start privitizing CA's public resources and OKing offshore rigs.

The recall folks claim they have all the signitures they need... however, those still have to be checked and I bet a LOT of them will be Haywood Jablome and Hugh G. Rection type names... or dupes... or fakes. Remember these kids were getting paid per signiture regardless of them being real or not.

[twilight]

12. throw in voter fraud please

Those recall people have been found guilty of voter fraud while collecting those bogus signatures. The game is FAR from over believe me!

:kick: for Gray Davis ... !!

[sierrak9s]

8. Don't know about toast, but...

I think your overall analysis is spot-on. This recall is going to be the worst thing for the California GOP since Prop 187 (which tanked Pete Wilson's career).
"Don't throw me into that briar patch!" ;-)

[newyawker99]

10. Hi sierrak9s!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[MindPilot]

4. Hey Shelly!

:kick: Boyer in the nuts for me!


On edit: You can't really blame them--Clear Channel employees get fired when they don't toe the party line.

[TLM]

5. She said she printed it out.....

and stuck it on his desk to make sure he saw it.

She also has been talking up the meetups...

She may be joining up with DU soon as well.

[TLM]

9. KICK! I Got a response from this guy... check it out!

--- "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Republicans lost the election, Boyer is a Sore
> Loser,
> >man. Why can't he GET OVER IT?
>
> Where do I begin?
> >
> >
> >Also, get some facts about our state deficit. The
> >vast majority of our debt is due to BUSH and his
> >policy, not state mismanagement.
>
> The state revinue is up 25% since 1999 and spending
> has outpaced
> it by about 12%. If you don't have the money-don't
> spend it.

Do you know what an UNFUNDED mandate is, Boyer?

That is when the federal government MANDADTES that things must be done on the state level, without providing any funds with which to do it.

Davis has no authority to refuse to do what is federally mandated. He can't simply NOT spend the money anymore than you can simply NOT follow the FCC regulations.

Bush has sent a pile of unfunded mandats our way. The no child left behind act mandates massive overhauls in the education system... the homeland security bill mandates massive reorganization and reapplication of our civil emergency services... all of that costs money that the state must spend in order to do what is mandated by federal law.

> The budget proposed by the Dem's calls for more
> moeny to be spent
> this year than last...yet we're 38B in the hole.
> How does that
> make sense?
>

Because the dems budget maintains necessary programs and state departments in addition to the massive amount of new unfunded mandates and decreased federal grants and partner program funding. That's why spending is higher boyer, not because the democrats implemented 38 billion in new spending or new programs.

Whereas the republicans want to DEFUND social services and are using the debt THEY created as an excuse to do so. And that little prick Issa wants to get in Davis' seat because Davis refuses to privatize our state public resources like our WATER.

Enron's next idea was to do with our water what they did with our electricity, and they had a company set up to do it, called Azurex. They had already started trying to buy up rights to the water in FLA when Enron collapsed.

Issa wants to take up where they left off... privatize our water, or forests, and our civil services. Not to mention allowing drilling off shore along our beaches. They want to loot our public resources and will use the debt they created as an excuse to do it.

Does that make sense?

>
> >Our state debt is 38 billion.
>
> Tell your Dem buddies to stop spending my money on
> bullshit like a
> 38% increase in pay for prison guards and state
> firefighters...who
> bought their raises with gigantic contributions to
> Joe Davis and his
> re-election campaign.
>

You're getting your talking points off Issa's site aren't you?

It is a 7.5% yearly raise up to 37% by 2006.

And while I'm sure their donations to Davis helped the process, there is a real need for prison guards and firefighters in CA.

I agree the raise is too much, given our current situation, but these people do deserve a raise... and the fact is the total top end cost of this by the year 2006 would be 700 million.

Meanwhile Bush is tossing tens of BILLIONS of dollars in expenses our way.


> California's Joe Davis cancelled all of the
> outsourced prison programs
> run by independent vendors and returned prison
> control to his
> state employees....who contributed greatly to his
> re-election.

Sure they did, and with good reason. Pete Wilson was allowing private contractors to suck our state's prison budget dry.

I'd rather see that money going to the state workers and guards in the form of better pay and benefits than into the pockets of some douchebag CEO outsourcing the guards and paying them crap.


> Your buddy Steve Peace's wife sits on a committee
> for refuse managemet
> and is paid about $120,000 a year. Her expertise in
> refuse
> management? She is a housewife who takes out the
> trash. It's a
> political appointment as a reward.
>

And I assume you have some facts to show she has not done the job, or are you simply attacking her because she got a nice job via a connection?

I do not see you having fits over Mike Powell, Collin Powell’s son being appointed to the FCC under Bush.

So is it only that nepotism bugs you when there's a D next to the person's name?

And again, you're pissing about a 120K in pay to one person... while Bush and his Enron pals are raping California consumers for BILLIONS.


> I hope you enjoy the quadrupling of your car tax-Joe
> Davis just
> bit into your wallet for an (average) $158 per
> year/per car.

Nope... I drive an economy car, and my cost goes up about 60 bucks, which I'm happy to pay. And I will take comfort in the fact that the dickhead in the Hummer is getting hammered though.

But tell me, how would you propose that the state recover these tens of billions in federal unfunded mandates, and additional 10.8 billion in cost for the Iraq war? It is either raise taxes... gosh remember all those dems saying that Bush’s massive tax give away to the richest 1% would cause states to have to raise taxes to cover the losses of federal revenue?

Again the democrats were right.

> Dem's are proposing an increase in the sales tax.
>
> Your state legislators have mismanaged California so
> badly...and
> now you want to give them more money? Joe Davis
> came into this state
> when it had the biggest surplus of money in our
> history.

Odd Bush was handed the biggest surplus in US history and he turned it into the biggest deficit in US history. Gosh Chris, ya think the two might be connected?

And I assume you want to recall Bush as well for the same reason you want to recall Davis?

> He and his
> appointees have spent us into our biggest hole ever.
>

Bullshit... the hole is not a result of spending by Davis apointees, boyer. Their spending, absent the new federal debts, was well within our state budget.

As the numbers above show, the amounts you are complaining about are less than 1 billion dollars. Cut ALL of that spending and we're still 37 billion in the hole.

Why?

Because our state spending is not the source of the debt... other than the long term contracts for electricity that were based on price fixing and fraud perpetrated by republicans.

The source of our debt is the 10.8 billion price tag to CA on the war in Iraq. The 10 billion price tag on Enron’s rape of this state.

The total cost of the raises you mentioned for a year is 700 million by 2006... when Enron was ripping us off, they were stealing 500 million A DAY!

You are so focused on this petty crap a few million here and a few million there, that you're completely missing the billions being looted from our state by the republicans you so eagerly want to hand control too.

> >
> >The war in Iraq makes up 10.8 billion of that.
>
> How do you figure? War, in this country, is paid
> for out of
> federal funds.

And where do federal funds come from, Boyer? Federal taxes... Now with Bush tax cut, war, and recession that means those federal funds are not there... hence the several hundred billion dollar deficit Bush has created.

When the federal government goes into massive deficits, they cut grants to states... they cut funding for federal partner programs... they do not fund their mandates etc.

Then it falls to the states to pick up those costs.

Boyer look around, EVERY state is having budget problems right now. Did Davis go around and spend all the money up in all of the states?

No, because this debt is a function of federal mismanagement and federal level deficits being transferred down to the state level.

Do you think it is a coincidence that our largest budget surplus came at the same time as the largest federal budget surplus... and now our largest deficit has come at the time of the largest federal deficit?



> >
> >There's another 10 billion that was directly linked
> to
> >Enron ripping our state off, while Bush did nothing
> to
> >cap the prices.
>
> Joe Davis happily signed long-term contracts at
> uncompetitive prices.
> Bad move....


He did not do so happily... he did so only after Bush refused to put price caps in place, and he was looking at prices going higher and higher as Enron manipulated the markets.

Davis had no way to know Enron was about to collapse. How can you fault him for signing contracts that were based on price fixing, when Bush, Graham, Pete Wilson, and Kenny Boy Lay all worked together to make that price fixing possible in the first place?

That's like blaming the bank manager for losing your money, while you give a pass to the gang of thugs who robbed the bank.


> >Several billion more is a direct result of unfunded
> >mandates in Bush's "No child left behind" education
> >bill that mandates states do tons of education
> >spending, without providing any funds. This is a
> lot
> >of that "new spending" that Boyer wants to blame of
> >democrats.
> >
> >And with the tax cut induced federal deficit, the
> >federal funds that normally come into the state are
> >not there, so we have to cover the costs of that on
> >the state level... which accounts for a few billion
> >more in debt.
> >
> >Then look at all the money lost in the stock market
> >crash and the dot com bubble bursting... all of
> this
> >stuff Davis had NO control over what so ever.
>
>
> Davis was the one who kissed the asses of state
> employees by handing
> them huge retirement packages-never believing the
> markets would crash
> and levafe these unfunded. Duh.

Again Boyer you seem to have a one trick pony here, some raises for state employee... oh no. All of that spending in raises for state employees doesn't come close to even a tenth of the current deficit.

There's an elephant sitting at the dinner table, dropping giant piles of crap everywhere, and you're bitching about a water spot on your glass.

And no, Davis did not mystically predict the stock market crash, nor Bush's recession, nor the massive jump in unemployment that followed Bush's economic stimulus package.

Even our largest rainy day fund, which Wilson pissed away in tax cuts, would not cover a 38 billion deficit. There is no way a state the size of CA can manage without the federal funds that are now absent. And to add unfunded mandates on top of that is what is driving up our deficit.


> I gotta go do some work to pay for those thieving
> bastards.
>
> cb

You consider taxes thieving... yet Enron and republican cronies stealing 500 million a day, is just fine?

Boyer you have to pay higher taxes, so that guys like Ken Lay who gave money to Bush campaign can get billions in tax breaks. Yet I do not see you calling for Bush's impeachment. Why?

You call for Davis' recall because he gave raises to state employees after their unions gave his campaign money.

Yet you have no problem with Bush giving hundreds of billions in tax breaks to his biggest campaign contributors... and Bush allowing Enron, his single largest campaign contributor, to rip off California by price fixing electricity.

You say the fact Davis came into office with a surplus that is now a deficit warrants his removal, yet the fact Bush got the largest surplus in US history and turned it into the largest deficit in US history, is no big deal.


Why the double standard?

> >
> >Since Bush is more responsible for our state debt
> than
> >Davis, does Boyer want to recall Bush?
> >

Awe, I wish I could say I was surprised this question went unanswered.

Boyer, do your standards for Davis not also apply to Bush?


> >Republican Pete Wilson passes energy deregulation.
> >
> >Republican Graham pulls electric trading from the
> same
> >oversight as other traded commodities, while his
> wife
> >Wendy Graham is on the board of Enron, allowing
> them
> >to commit fraud and gouge CA.
> >
> >Republican Bush, who has Enron as his single
> biggest
> >campaign contributer, refuses to cap prices on
> their
> >market manipulation.
> >
> >Republican Bush sends unfunded mandates our way,
> >creating debt and new spending.
> >
> >Republican Bush cuts taxes, depleting federal funds
> >and thus federal level grants that fund needed
> >programs, like HOME LAND SECURITY! So states have
> to
> >pick up that bill too.
> >
> >So how exactly is our deficit Davis' or democrats'
> >fault?
> >

More silence. Given the excitement with which you attack democrats, one would think that not only would you have ready answers for these questions, but you'd be eager to share them.

Guess Issa's talking points site didn't cover this.

[twilight]

13. ISSA - the truth about this crook - pass it on!!!

:hi:

I saved this from a post here on the DU General Discussion several days ago. Here we go:

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>>>>>>Here are some excerpts regarding Issa.
Note the pattern: 18 years old. He and his brother steal a Masarati and are arrested.

27 years old. "His brother" Steals Darrel's car and gets cash for it.
Darrell collects on the insurance. Both are arrested

29 years old. Darrell calls a note (without telling the borrower) and gets awarded copyright benefits to 'car alarms'.... And is awarded the business.

The copyrighted items are removed from the business. Darrell increases the insurance coverage -- The Business is TORCHED(minus computers necessary to carry on) , Darrell tries to collect on the insurance. The insurance refused to pay.

Darrell aims a loaded gun at office personnel.

When a person is CAUGHT this many times. What are they doing the times they aren't caught?

>>>June 25, 2003>>>>>>>>The second-term San Diego area congressman has pumped $1 million into the campaign to recall Davis and has declared he will run for governor should the recall qualify for the ballot this year. Issa's previous political campaigns have been roiled by allegations that twice -- once while a student in his hometown of Cleveland and once while a soldier in Pennsylvania -- he also was involved in car thefts.

In the San Jose case, Issa, who at the time was a 27-year-old U.S. Army officer, and William Issa, 29, were arrested by San Jose police on a felony auto-theft charge in February 1980.

They were accused of a scheme in which Issa's brother allegedly sold Issa's cherry-red Mercedes 240 to Smythe European Motors in San Jose for $13,000 cash and three $1,000 traveler's checks. Within hours, Issa reported the car stolen from a lot at the Monterey airport, near his Army post at Fort Ord.

Issa and his brother pleaded not guilty. A judge ordered them to stand trial on felony charges, saying he had a "strong suspicion" that the men had committed the crime, according to the records.
CASE DISMISSED

But in August 1980, a prosecutor dismissed the case for lack of evidence. The men later were charged with misdemeanors, but that case was not pursued, said retired police Detective Richard Christiansen, lead investigator in the case.

Issa, 49, became a multimillionaire manufacturer of electronic auto alarms, including the popular "Viper" anti-theft device. "When people ask me why I got into the car alarm business, I tell them the truth," he said in a statement to The Chronicle. "It was because my brother was a car
thief."<<<<<<<<<<<

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/06/25
/MN2908.DTL <

>>THEN FROM MAY 16, 2003>>>>>>>>>>The gun incident <????> happened not long after Issa, in 1982, seized control of the company that launched his success in the hard-nosed car-alarm business by taking advantage of an Ohio law allowing a creditor to win judgment against a debtor without the debtor's presence or knowledge. Issa had loaned $60,000 to the owner of a company with valuable car-alarm technology, and the company's stock was put up as collateral. Issa had had the same sort of loan repaid a year earlier and agreed to give company founder Joseph Adkins, who, like many start-up
entrepreneurs, had cash-flow issues, more time to repay the new loan.
Saying later that he had just learned the company was in worse straits than he had realized, Issa instead went to court and won a judgment giving him the company's stock, then phoned a stunned Adkins and told him his erstwhile company had a new boss. But there were still business problems. Seven months later, not long after insurance coverage had been increased and a key computer removed, fire swept through Issa's Cleveland-area manufacturing plant. Arson was suspected, but no charges were filed. Still, the insurance
company wouldn't pay, and Issa sued, ending up with a lesser out-of-court settlement.<snip>

The brushes with the law - which began with an arrest at 18 for allegedly stealing a Maserati with his brother (charges were dropped) - seemed to begin his rearview mirror. <<<<<<<<<<<<
> http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/26/news-bradley.php <

<????> Gun Incident: Issa brandished a handgun at an employee during an office confrontation. "Shots were never fired, I don't recall having a gun," Issa said.

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ISSA IS A CROOK CROOK CROOK CROOK CROOK CROOK CROOK CROOK. If he weren't a fat cat politician I do believe the 3 strikes law would have him in prison right now!

:kick:

[bobja]

14. So, when will you be a guest on his show?

TLM, you are good! Of course, the chickenshit would (could) never do this exchange publicly. Great stuff.

[blm]

11. heheh...

I love it when you give the mediawhores hell, TLM.

[LWolf]

15. Great Stuff.

Can we get it on the air?