Someone in Dean's Staff Must Be Reading DU

[Khephra]

Tell me that you haven't heard VERY similar words here on DU before?

:-)

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In any event, it's clear from listening to Mr. Dean that he's enjoying the squirming of the pro-war Democratic candidates, and the opportunity their stance gives him to counter the charge that a former governor of a tiny state such as Vermont doesn't know enough about foreign policy to be president.

"If I can figure out the case the president was making wasn't accurate, and wasn't a good one, and these guys, these campaigns, are all spinning that I don't have foreign policy experience," he says, "then how come my team could figure it out and the other teams couldn't?"

more...............

http://www.sunspot.net/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.witcover25jul25,0,3170193.column?coll=bal-home-columnists

[madrchsod]

1. from what i`ve seen

dean seems to be the most mentioned democrat on this board. it seems that deans people understand the internet and what can be done with it.

[Khephra]

3. I'd say the candidates/supporters who understand the Net

Rank thusly:

1 - Dean
2 - Kichinich
3 - Clark
4 - Gore (even though he's not running)

[mandyky]

2. Depends what you mean by "staff" LOL

I am sure we Deaners if we read something here that needs the Good Doctor's attention, have ways of getting the info to the campaign, either via the blog, email lists, or emailing a staff member.

I know a few staffers were reading things here occassionally, too.

[Khephra]

4. I guess all of us Dean supporters are staff in a sense

since we're the most personally involved grassrooters, imo.

[mandyky]

5. Exactly, and Dean is smart

enough to have his staff be responsive to the internet folks.

By the way, I get a chuckle of these other campaigns trying to use MeetUps at this late date... I bet their staff is not interacting as much as our Howie's is. ;)

[Eloriel]

13. re Meetups

I had the occasion to visit John Kerry's website just a bit ago -- on a wild goose chase, it turned out. And I broke out in hysterical giggles upon seeing a link for "Thanks to the thousands of supprters who Met Up last night." I'll be real interested to see how he does.

Eloriel

[Bombtrack]

6. The all knowing, all powerful Howard Dean

Doesn't seem to understand that clear-thinking people don't think that he is right or the pro-war people are right, and that we probably won't know for some time.

I thought that conservatives were supposed to be the people who couldn't deal with ambiguity.

No sir, I'm right, I'll use anything to say there is proof I am right, and anyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong

[JackRiddler]

7. your definitition of clear thinking

apparently, it means not knowing for a looooong time if it's right to invade countries on the other side of the planet for their oil and to show everyone who's boss, and make up any lie to justify it. We wouldn't want to mindlessly jump to conclusions.

[Bombtrack]

11. sadly you show that you aren't clear-thinking

sorry but as much as I hate the republican party, I also understand that just as there are plenty of potentially favorable outcomes that could result from this regime change just as it could be a bad bad mistake.

Oil was a factor in invading Iraq, and particularly oil/war-profiteering was a factor(I don't think it was a primary reason, more of a perk, which is insideous). But invading Iraq also could be the best way to win the war on terror, if it can help to stem the auto-cratic, theo-cratic stranglehold on the region

It's not unreasonable to think that this could and is fueling the Iranian constitutionalists into overthrowing a (soon to be nuclear) Iran. It's not unreasonable to think that getting our troops out of Saudi Arabia now, into transtitional Iraq, and after a number of years a pro-western arab Iraqui army in the region to fight terrorists in Saudi Arabia and other countries.

People say that Iraq wasn't the biggest threat, but it sort of makes more sense to take care of those threats in other ways than invading or nuking Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria etc, where we would probably lose thoudands of soldiers.

The hawkish philosophy here seems to be to kill 2 or 3 or 4 birds with one stone, killing the least amount of soldiers possible, by winning the war of ideas that wouldn't be able to be fought otherwise.

And no I'm not a neocon, or a hawk, or a dove, I'm just a student of political science who thinks that a democrat needs to be the one to beat Bush in 04 and occupy Iraq for Americans and Iraquis and all middle-easterners.

And I see Dean's arrogance and the political ignorance of him and many of his supporters and it shows me just how much of an asset he is to the people who did support the war for the reasons you stated above, the wrong reasons

[Eloriel]

15. That's so cynical

Just as cynical as it is wrong.

There was NO justification for invading Iraq. None. None that makes sense to a civilized world.

And I'm sad to see THE basic Neo-con rationale for this war actually put forward here at DU.

Eloriel

[newsguyatl]

17. UNBELIEVABLE!

Oil was a factor in invading Iraq, and particularly oil/war-profiteering was a factor(I don't think it was a primary reason, more of a perk, which is insideous). But invading Iraq also could be the best way to win the war on terror, if it can help to stem the auto-cratic, theo-cratic stranglehold on the region

UNfreakinBELIEVABLE... :argh:

you have GOT to be kidding me!

ladies and gentlemen, the perfect example of why we still have a tough fight ahead of us in '04... the very things that are seemingly core and so common sensical, others still just don't get it...


unbelievable :eyes:

[Khephra]

19. Man, that's arrogant

People who don't think like you aren't "clear thinking"?

Ahhhh, well I'm thinking clearly now. I'm clearly thinking that someone needs an intellectual enema to recover from a terminal case of "stuck-up-ness" and snobbery.

[mandyky]

21. sadly you are a Dean detractor

Personally I think Dean supporters are some of the most clear thinking Americans there are. Dean is empowering his base, channeling our anger at the current administration and the Dem party machinery and getting people excited about participating in politics.

Insulting Dean and his supporters is not doing anything to support "your" candidate.

[ChrisNYC]

22. Others have done a good job trashing the rest of your post

I'm just amazed you dare to call others arrogant while failing to do anything other than mischaracterize their positions. Dean has NEVER said Iraq was not a threat or that we should have not ever considered dealing with it. He said that we have NO PROOF that Iraq is a threat. For all we know, Cambodia is developing WMDs and planning to attack the US in 2012. Your "logic" would mean that an invasion of Cambodia tomorrow is perfectly acceptable. Take a class on international law since you claim to be such a student of the field -- perhaps you will understand how your philosophy undermines all of 20th century thought. Ah yes, but those who agree with the evidence of the last few thousands years of human existence are the arrogant ones?

[stickdog]

28. Great. You think you have a pet reason to justify mass murder.

I suppose all the "clear thinkers" like you also think that their pet reasons obviously justify lying about their pet reasons?

[Cha]

8. I've said, very similiarly, those very words myself.

Maybe it's just a natural reaction to what has gone down.

And it helps to read the net to find out what's really going on in our World. :kick:

I trust my future with Dean on foreign policy before I trust someone who voted to give bush power for all the attacks. :kick:


And they are still spewing that shyte that bush is a "popular president(sic)" ..Yeah and who does the polls? Do they think we were born yesterday?

[Regice]

9. I hope Dean is reading this

I would give him some advice. Tone down the war rhetoric.

I think Bush company may be setting a trap. They have probably already located a bunker stack full to the brim with every poison know to man. They are just waiting for the right time to "discover" it.

They will goad all of the Dems into making wild and outrageous statements about WMDs. All of a sudden, they will trot out all these Iraqi scientist for the media. They will serve up a huge plate of crow for the Dems to choke on.

The economy is where it is at, and that is something you can take to the bank.

[newsguyatl]

14. no, i disagree

he CAN'T tone down he war rhetoric... that's where a lot of his initial support came from...

folks just don't seem to understand how pissed off people still are about this illegal war... DEAN does though...

and even IF we "find" some "WMD's" tomorrow :eyes: DEAN'S still right, saddam WASN'T an imminent threat to this country...

[CWebster]

16. Just stating the obvious

How could it be otherwise?

[madfloridian]

18. You do not send our soldiers to die and kill innocent civilians....

based on half truths, whole lies, and innuendo. There is no excuse for this,and those who try to make it sound like it might turn out ok are just wrong.

I think Dean is totally right on this, Graham as well, and I do not think that the American people will go along and say ok.

Clinton made a big mistake when he called a lie a mistake. I wrote the New Dems and the DNC, and I said so. I told them just when I thought it was safe to start donating again, then they started back-pedaling.

If it is "trap" so be it. There just jolly well comes a time when wrong is wrong, not a mistake.

:mad: :mad:

[mandyky]

20. He cannot tone down the war stuff and

still get the answer to the 16 questions the American people deserve to know the answers to. The current administration needs to be accountable and honest - about the war, 9-11, the economy, and the rest of the world.

Dean's message is all interwoven, not so much just about the war, but about the motives, credibility and honesty of the current administration.

[caledesi]

23. Tone down the war rhetoric? Hell No.

Because Dean was right about Iraq all along (as was France and Germany). No, keep talking Dean - smear that egg all over their faces.

[newsguyatl]

10. GREATpiece kphedra!

thanks for posting

"The premise on which the country went to war turned out not to have been true," he says. "Saddam Hussein was never a danger to the United States. We're in more danger now than we were before the president went into Iraq."

There's NO way, any of the other upper tier candidates would DARE utter such thought...

GO DEAN!

[ElementaryPenguin]

12. I'm POSITIVE that they are!!! Go Dean and go DU!!!!

Keep kicking plenty of Chimpy ass!!

[David Zephyr]

24. Encouraging Article, Khephra!

Thanks. Dean speaks for me.

[realFedUp]

25. Any political team would be stupid not to read DU

Where can you get up-to-date news, plus liberal commentary on it
and solutions to their problems all on one site, for free.

[Yentatelaventa]

26. Dean is a God

I don't see how he can be beat. It's all over except for the voting.

[TahitiNut]

27. ... and the counting.

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