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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 01:58 PM
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What is "Correct Thinking"? Sounds like a Code Word to me.
Saw that phrase in another thread and it has me curious. Is it a code word for what used to be called "Political Correctness", until the Wingers co-opted that phrase and beat the Left over the head with it?

Is it the inverse of "Incorrect Thinking, and if so, who's the official arbiter of what's Incorrect and what's Correct?

If I have "Incorrect Thoughts' and I don't tell anybody or act on them, am I still a "Thought Criminal"?

I'm sorry, I don't like the term "Correct Thinking".

Smacks of "GroupThink" to me.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:00 PM
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1. Not true. Correct thinking is thinking tht employs proper reasoning
A fading talent in America
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:02 PM
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5. Yeah, but doesn't that imply . . .
that two people who use proper reasoning will come up with the same answer? I dont' know what your experiences in life have been, but mine haven't borne out that assumption.

I have friends, who seem very smart to me, but who disagree wildly. I suspect most people do.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:15 PM
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10. People CAN come up with different conclusions and still be thinking
Edited on Fri Jul-25-03 02:17 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
correctly providing the original premise was valid to begin with.

Arriving at different conclusions is not a bad thing if people use logical principles to do so. That is how good public policy gets crafted. It considers many conclusions and meets where the best benefit can be derived.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:03 PM
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6. I think that would be "rational thinking".....
I find the phrase "correct thinking" has a ring to it that I find problematic. It's as if there is some arbiter deciding what thinking is correct and which thinking is incorrect.

Rational and Irrational work better for me.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 05:42 PM
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25. Teena, darling ...
did you sample the classical logic thread I started in the Lounge back in the day?

I thought you did. The one about syllogistic logic and the proper tests for logical constructs.

And yes, "correct" thinking as opposed to "incorrect" is a function of process rather than substance. It is not that an idea is morally or ethically or substantivley lacking so much as the process employed both in getting there and staying there.
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:01 PM
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2. Smacks of "Everyone Drinking the Same Whiskey" to me.
There is a lot of that on this board. Someone will say, "Bush did so and so and he's toast", then 20 more people will agree that "yeah, Bush is definately toast". I wish people would be a little more independent and not get caught up in all the emotion of the moment.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:01 PM
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3. If you practice "Correct Thinking"
it means you are a DoublePlusGood thinker!
Are you ready, brain? Staaaart Thinking!
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:02 PM
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4. Correct thinking is Goodthink
Oldthink is crimethink. Doublethink is goodthink. Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:08 PM
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7. Gee can't mail people I guess
I used the term. I was going to use right thinking but chose not to given the connotations that right has politically. You could have asked me directly, a thought which evidently didn't occur to you, and would have found out that it wasn't intended to be sinister.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:20 PM
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21. I think most of the posts here are good-natured ribbing.
Edited on Fri Jul-25-03 03:25 PM by ftbc
I still can't get my brain around what "correct thinking" could mean. It reminds me of corporate lingo like "A value-added, leverageable global knowledge repository" (credit to http://www.dc.com makers of the free "Bullfighter" software)

(edited to fix link)
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:09 PM
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8. I'm hoping someone tells me what "Incorrect Thinking" is...
...so I can promptly begin thinking those things. PC in all it's forms is an evil in the American culture.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:20 PM
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11. Perfect example of a generalization brought to its illogical conclusion
There is nothing evil about using terms that more accurately describe the nature of something. That is why we no longer refer to planet earth as flat.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 03:05 PM
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20. I guess it is what your do if you are from the other party.
Now I was marrid for years and years and was told I always did it. Now I live alone and dont care and think how I wish right of wrong.
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Creamed Corn Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:10 PM
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9. Saw that too.
As I remember, the flavor of that post was that correct-thinking people don't use "offensive language" but instead use childish substitutes like "n-word," context be damned.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:24 PM
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12. No it wasn't
I used this very specifically to apply to Coulter and one particular thread which now I will quote a description of here.

It doesn't make a difference. It's been requested before. Hell, about a month ago ( before new DU) I woke up one Saturday morning to a thread in the lounge about how Ann Coulter needed to be fucked to teach her a lesson. There were statements on it that were SO vile, they were beyond anything a reasonable person would post...and we ALL like to have fun in the lounge but there were statements about putting a gaggle in her mouth...actual statements made in jest about VIOLENCE against her..now look

This is admittedly the worst I have heard of but Ms Coulter has been called just about every derogatory sexist term that one can imagine and I would quote them chapter and verse if DU1 were available.
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Creamed Corn Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:41 PM
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13. You say it yourself
"It doesn't make a difference. It's been requested before."

Some people are going to write stupid things like "Ann Coulter needs to be fucked to teach her a lesson" and worse, and your appeals for them to stop are going to be ignored.

I don't see how quoting them chapter and verse follows with your desire for less vicious discourse.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:47 PM
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15. Must be nice to have all things all ways
First you criticise me for something you dream up and now that I defend myself you you have a problem with that. I specificly didn't wish to bring that up directly due to its nature. But when you told a story you liked about what I said you left me no real choice.
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Creamed Corn Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:53 PM
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18. I disagree with "dream up"
Anway, have a good weekend!

:toast:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:43 PM
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14. Gee fancy this
Edited on Fri Jul-25-03 02:49 PM by dsc
Supposedly this thread was intended to find out what a person (me) meant by use of a particular term. My answer is in post 7 close to 40 minutes old no replies. Post 12, also mine, is also unanswerd. So just why was this thread posted?

On edit Obviously this post and post 13 crossed. There was one answer in the works when I wrote mine.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:49 PM
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16. To advise you of a backlash against anything that might be correct
WRONG IS GOOD. INACCURATE IS GOOD. BILE IS LIFE SUSTAINING! CORRECT IS INCORRECT!

Please refer to the latest edition of the new unabridged Orwellian Dictionary
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:07 PM
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22. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner....
I was cleaning the fish bowl and doing up the past week's dishes.

Guess I didn't hear you rubbing my lamp. <sarcasm>

Yeah, and maybe I was curious about THAT particular phrase, and want diverse opinions on what it meant. It's interesting. Everything from "Right" (as in "proper") thinking, which still leaves the question of WHO the arbiter is, to "GoodSpeak"...(DoublePlusGood)

And I haven't gotten my question answered either. WHO is the arbiter of what is "correct" and "incorrect" thinking.

Don't go thinking I'm being all sinister, either. Maybe I'm just curious.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 04:13 PM
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23. You are. All it takes is to use the principles of logic, reasoning
cause and effect.

No one, especially not DSC was advocating a wizard to be the sole arbiter of correct thinking. One catching oneself is much more powerful.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 05:28 PM
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24. BTW Bigg Jawnn
and I mean no disrespect, but if one listens constantly through the filter of "are they trying to get me to be PC or not" one will not only always be able to make a case for it but that too is the NEW group think.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 05:50 PM
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26. The term right thinking person
may well be a regional one. It usually is taken to mean sane as opposed to correct so I probably messed up using that synomym. Again it was a very inadverntent literally thoughtless wording. My post as a whole was to advocate that people think of what they are posting and that we shouldn't post about women what we wouldn't about racial groups. I fail to see why it is somehow less offensive to categorize women as women and the c word than it is to categorize blacks as blacks and the n word. They both strike me as mega offensive and arguments that should be known to be unconvincing to progressives.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:50 PM
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17. the PNAC line
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-03 02:55 PM
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19. huh?
Did you hit send to fast? I haven't a clue what you mean.
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