DON'T TURN ON YOUR TV! Video of Saddam's sons sickening.

[chimpymustgo]

I can't believe it's on American tv. My hands are still shaking. It made me want to barf. Please - I'm warning ya.

[greatauntoftriplets]

1. It is all over the newspapers, too.

Yes, it is sickening and a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

[nostamj]

40. well, the US may have respected the Geneva Conventions...

but BushCo* spits on them. repeatedly.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

disgusting

I can't believe my country has put on such a barbaric show. I'm so sick and tired of those evil fuckers in charge making me ashamed of being an American, damn them all to Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This will backfire. Most of the world will be highly appalled.

[liberalhistorian]

23. I agree totally, and what's really making me sick

is that even my progressive, liberal family members and friends are applauding it, saying "we did the right thing", and all that kind of jingoistic nationalistic bullshit. I couldn't believe my ears when I heard everyone agreeing and applauding!!!!!! My twelve-year-old son called it better than most adults, he started screaming at the TV about how wrong and horrible it was, and that "no matter who they were, they didn't deserve to die like that"!

Out of the mouths of babes, eh?

[Ripley]

2. What is it?

Who took the video?

[leftchick]

6. after the Military Morticians used a LOT of clay on the corpses..

they took videos to prove they are who the US says they are to the Iraqis. This is so sick and preposterous I can't believe it!

[janx]

8. I agree. This is truly neanderthal behavior. And the sensationalist

media lap it up, show the pics, and revel in the fact that people can't wait to see them.

If the Iraqis feel a need to see them, fine. But this broadcasting them to the American people is beyond unnecessary.

Messing around with dead bodies reminds me of the Nazis.

[Ripley]

10. How can this be helpful to the Chimp if they admit

they used makeup on the bodies?

They must think we're really stupid. Oh yeah, they do.

[Spazito]

3. This is another disgusting attempt to control...

the message and it will fail again. Yesterday, all their press conferences didn't stop the questions on niger, the Wilson outing, etc and this won't either. It will just disgust people even more than they already are, imo.

[soup]

4. Video!? there's a video?

what - the pictures weren't enough?

[Riptide]

5. I was flipping through, and saw it too...

Very graphic. MSNBC showed much more than CNN. They justified it as something that had been done during past wars to assure people that the leader was truly dead (Mussolini, Milosovich)

They "cleaned" the bodies up a little, and they had clearly been embalmed and made up. However, it was just gross. Thank God my kids were downstairs watching Sponge Bob.

Honestly, the GOP got their panties in a wad over having to explain to the children of America about Clinton's sex life, but then they turn around and encourage showing extensive footage of dead bodies.

Quite disturbing.

[Skittles]

7. welcome to the DU, Riptide

you are too correct; that "what will we tell the children" would be a good question to ask NOW.

[KCDem]

11. that's one fundamental diff between them and us:

They don't have a problem with violence in the media, as long as there's no sex.

We don't mind the sex, but are sickened by the violence.

[liberalhistorian]

25. That's because we're not repressed Puritans like they are,

and we don't feel the need to snoop into people's private, personal, sex lives and we don't see sex as something dirty to be ashamed of! And we recognize that violence is far more damaging and destructive to far more people, and to society in general, than a person's private sexual "indiscretions!"

[leftchick]

12. perhaps I should email MSRNC and ask when

did the sons become the Leader of Iraq? :shrug:

[Giverney]

14. true true

exactly. We didn't want the kids to see the sex, but seeing grotesque bodies of the sons of leaders we're at war with, ahhh...that's acceptable, there's not enough killing and violence on TV today anyway.. <sarcasm mode off>

I havn't watched TV or viewed the web much. that's just sickening.

[Stuckinthebush]

9. I spent all day yesterday trying to not see those photos

I don't need to see the mangled corpses of these two men to understand the ramifications of my country's actions.

But I turn on frickin' C-SPAN this morning (I thought that would be safe), and without warning, they flash the damn thing up there.

Thank jeebus that my 4 year old was not in the room at the time.

[annagull]

35. I know! What ever happened to "Warning:Graphic Images"

I tried to avoid it as well, and it would just pop up out of the blue--and here we go, another day of this bullshit. The Bushistas are really milking these dead cows for all they're worth.

[Corgigal]

13. Worlds only Superpower

Should we be behaving this way? This is so low brow and we call ourselves civilized. If the Iraqi people need to see this fine, it makes sense because they were affected. Respect of our dead is one of the things that makes us human.

[Proud_Lefty]

15. The media whores just lost another viewer

This is an outrage and I have completely turned my TV off. I plan to spread the word to everyone I know why I intend to get my news off the internet from here on out. America is going to pay the price for this decision, probably starting off with our soldiers in Iraq. I'm sure Bin Laden is dancing with glee at how stupid we are and how easy it will be now for him to find multiplitudes of new recruits for his deadly mission against the United States.

Thanks to our criminals in the White House and Pentagon, and all the media whores that support them, we have reached an all time low, and steadily going lower every day.

[G_j]

16. one of the BFEE's more serious crimes

the BFEE is guilty of child abuse on a massive scale.
Teaching that war and slaughter are acceptable and good.

[CafeToad]

17. Why hasn't each and every innocent Iraqi child killed in the war

Been given equal coverage?

[UTUSN]

18. The Wingnuts Are Orgasming and Fundraising

It's not a matter of "convincing" anybody. The wingnuts are GETTING OFF to the nekkid bodies. The top tier of donors to Shrub will get a peek under the loin cloths.

The real questions were:

1) Let's see, there were a total of FOUR (4) firing back?

2) against a whole phalanx of forces armed complete with missiles on down?

3) and this was a "fierce battle" that lasted SIX (6) hours?

[Imajika]

19. Strange..

"My hands are still shaking. It made me want to barf."

It doesn't bother me in the slightest. Not even a little bit.

And I'd bet that if they didn't show the bodies the media, the Iraqi's and many people right here on DU would be screaming that they won't believe these two little monsters were dead until they can see pictures and videos of the bodies themselves. The cry we would be, "were all adults, we've seen worse, show us the bodies!"

Actually, I shed not one tear at the death of the Hussein sons. They were horrific individuals and I've got not no problem with the American government having knocked them off. I just wished we could have taken care of them without parking 145,000 US troops in Iraq.

I just can't summon up any rage at the fact we killed these two. The Iraqi people, the American soldiers occupying Iraq and the rest of the region are much better off without them.

Imajika

[Proud_Lefty]

24. Huh?

Of course, there's no loss in the death of this tyrants. But our proud government is parading their "kill" on T.V. as we so viciously attacked the Iraq military for parading our POW's on T.V. The double standard is being talked about around the world. Yes, they are saying the Iraqis wouldn't believe it without seeing it, but that is pure B.S. They know what can be done with reproductions, especially with the help of computer. The Iraqis will only be happy with the U.S. when we leave their country.

[Imajika]

30. Nope, sorry...

...still doesn't bother me.

"Yes, they are saying the Iraqis wouldn't believe it without seeing it, but that is pure B.S."

No, I suspect the Iraqi's do want to see the bodies. Just like when tyrants are brought down in killed anywhere in the world, the population often won't believe it without seeing the images themselves. Romania and Italy would be just two examples.

"But our proud government is parading their "kill" on T.V. as we so viciously attacked the Iraq military for parading our POW's on T.V."

Boloney, we are showing regime leaders who helped rule Iraq with terror and an iron fist. These are not just military POW's.

"The Iraqis will only be happy with the U.S. when we leave their country."

Some will, some won't. And what makes you an expert on what Iraqi's think? I'd be willing to bet that when we finally do start drawing down our troop strength in Iraq that the headlines will read something like "Iraqi's complain about Americans leaving - feel that they are vulnerable to return of Baathists".

Sorry, releasing the video and pictures just doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Imajika

[Proud_Lefty]

36. I'm no expert

Sorry about that. I've just listen to all the middle east asking and demanding us to get out and stay out. I didn't realize I needed be an expert to make such a profound statement. I'll be more careful next time.

[Spentastic]

26. O.K just for balance

I don't like you very much. I'd say your sentiments show a lack of humanity. Do you mind offing yourself? The world would be a better place without you.

See how idiotic a view it is?

Extra judicial killings and then displaying the evidence is crass in the extreme. What next? They'll have to actually show troops killing Saddam.

[Imajika]

31. Not a good example

"I don't like you very much. I'd say your sentiments show a lack of humanity. Do you mind offing yourself? The world would be a better place without you. See how idiotic a view it is?"

Actually, I think your example is idiotic.

Whether you like me or not, I don't rape, murder, torture and generally terrorize an entire population. Not a whole hell of a lot of people would care one way or the other if I disappeared tomorrow.

On the other hand, the Saddam boys had a huge number of people whom loathed and feared them. The Iraqi's have a lot at stake knowing these two are dead and gone. A hell of a lot of Iraqi's no longer have to worry about Uday or Qusay making a return appearance in their neighborhool.

"Extra judicial killings and then displaying the evidence is crass in the extreme."

Sorry, these guys could have surrendered. They didn't, now their dead.

"They'll have to actually show troops killing Saddam."

Actually, I would prefer that Saddam be dealt with by the Iraqi people themselves. If we wind up killing him first I think we should show the video of the body and put it on display for the Iraqi's to personally view. I would also put Uday and Qusay's body on display in Baghdad so Iraqi's could come see for themselves that these two creatures are gone forever.

Imajika

[Spentastic]

32. Oh well done.

Now since you have stated definitively that Qusay and Uday "rape, murder, torture and generally terrorize an entire population" I'd like you to present verifiable evidence concerning those charges. Otherwise, it's merely propaganda. That's the main problem I have with extra judicial killings. You can state all you want that they were very bad man and I don't really doubt that they were not. However, I also am declaring you are a bad man on the basis that I'm more powerful than you. How are you going to prove you are not if it is O.K just to kill you?

It's a precedent and a dangerous one.

"Sorry, these guys could have surrendered. They didn't, now their dead."

You seem very, very sure of that. I wonder if they gave the 14yr old that chance after they had killed his father.

Why not just attach their heads to the gates of the city?

[CWebster]

34. So, do you think the Iraqis would be pleased

to see Bush's head on a pike for the brutality he inflicted on the people of Iraq--killing up to 10 thousand CIVILIANS without just cause--not to mention complete and utter anniliation of their civil infrastructure and ongoing imposition of approved "governing" councils- of mostly exiles like Chalibi, which, at best serve an "advisory" function.

For that matter, how about Clinton's massacred corpse paraded around the streets as barbaric revenge for the years of punitive sanctions? String up Madeline Albright's dowdy, pudgy form, for her callus disregard for the "acceptible cost" measured in the lives of mothers, children, families. Is it not as brutal, as callus?

Why is acceptible to assume these Middle-Eastern countries are third world backwaters? Prior to US meddling, Iraq had the highest standard of living in the region, it has a highly educated population, a rich cultural heritage, intellectual life and an emphasis on book publishing.

Why does it seem that we accept these subtle characterizations of Muslims or Arabs as unsophisticated, uncivilised, inhuman and apply a lesser standard of humanity to their lives?

[Spazito]

27. If you think this disgusting show and tell is going to....

convince the Iraqis of anything other than the US is as brutal as Saddam, you are kidding yourself. Showing "touched up" bodies on video lessens the credibility of the US, it does NOT strengthen it.

[Jaybird]

20. this is beggining to....

remind me of "Weekend at Bernies"...

[Snellius]

21. More psychological operations shock and awe?

It's Rummy's mental bunker buster. Besides, Bush just loves 'em.

[Ress1]

If Bush hadn't lied and

lost all credibility with this war, he wouldn't have to show this atrocity. He is the anti-Christ.

[Drifter]

22. How is this different than ...

the US soldiers that were dragged though the streets in Somalia after their helicoptor was shot down ?

Oh right, there is no difference.

Lets see, did seeing those pictures calm and reassure us ? Fuck no.
Do you think the Iraqis are relieved now ? Fuck No.

I agree most Iraqis are glad to see Saddam and his Regime go, but the US should not be the one to do it, and I'm sure assasination is not the means. Alive would have been much more powerful. Clearly a missed opportunity for the hawks (that is assuming that the boys actually died in the fire fight mentioned)

This will "strengthen their resolve" (sound familar ?).

Cheers
Drifter

[CWebster]

28. Question

Aside from the obvious immunity to displaying barbaric images (which fundamentally says something about their casual dismissal of humanity) are the bodies unquestionably recognizable as the sons or is this an obvious scam? I had wondered when they announced they would allow independant obsevers to document the evidence, but have they doctored it to the point that no definite ID can be made?

[Proud_Lefty]

29. HOLD ON TIGHT

This ride we're about to take is going to be a scary one!

[ScreamingMeemie]

33. As the mother of two children it sickens me that

I can no longer watch the news after dinner, for fear of what my government will expose them to next. Shouldn't there be a caution, extreme content, at the beginning of our newscasts now?

[twilight]

37. maybe I'm just plain old I don't know

When I was in school, we were not allowed to learn about the Holocaust without written permission from our parents. Once they signed the form saying it was ok for us to learn about he Holocaust, we were then shown the films.

I find this act of putting photographs of these two dead men on television to be one of complete barbarism at its worst!

:wtf: is wrong with our country that we find it necessary to scoop to such LOW levels of communication?

And we wonder why there are still attacks against our troops going on in Iraq? Look in the freakin' mirror *!!!!!!!!!

:grr:

:kick:

[2548HR]

38. e-mail stations

I e-mailed MSNBD, CNN AND FAUX. And in large font letters asked them to stop showing them, and gave them my opinion of it. It makes us look so bad around the world, and proves how sick and degenerate this administration really is.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

39. Okay, who is this REALLY for?

This disgusting little display is supposed to be for the Iraqi people to help convince them those bad boys truly are dead.

Considering a good portion of the country still doesn't have access to electricity and television (this was talked about before they released the print photos) how is this viewing supposed to help them?

And if it were really about the Iraqis, why the hell are we seeing it on American television? What is the purpose of us seeing it? I cannot think of one valid reason we would need to see those images.

[CWebster]

41. To convince us

of the merit and justification for the destruction of Iraq: To catch the bad guys by demonstrating our goodness in freeing the iraqis from their brutal dictator's sons.

The real reason all along, don't you know?

;-)